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Emerje wrote:Sabrblade wrote:To be fair, David Willis isn't some random person.Emerje wrote:ScottyP wrote:I've had toys arrive with that stuff on them and that is not at all what the mold release stuff looks like, or at least what it used to. Last time I had that happen with a Hasbro product was the TRU MP Grimlock reissue. That stuff had the consistency and feel of petroleum jelly and was more or less clear.Sabrblade wrote:Update on the Nacelle mold that... may not actually be mold:
https://twitter.com/damnyouwillis/status/1697973275198902778It's not mold! It's release fluid they use to get the plastic out of the metal tooling.
Yeah, it was always my understanding that mold release for injection molds is oily and very thin, anything thick could effect the molding.
I can't believe one random person on Twitter saying it's mold release with no evidence is enough to get people to make a 180 on the issue.![]()
Emerje
He's never worked in a plastics factory has he? I'm going to guess he's no more an authority on this than any of us.
Emerje
First-Aid wrote:Sabrblade wrote:And let's face it. Many of the complaints about the Animated Stunticons not being a combiner came from people who wanted a new Classics-style Menasor and didn't really care about the Animated universe or its aesthetic. They just wanted a modern G1-ish Menasor and were mad that BotCon 2011 wasn't gonna give them one (as if they would have ever happened in 2011 regardless).
This is what bugs me about Geewunners. They are never, EVER happy. Unless it's exactly the same g1 figures EVERY SINGLE DAMN TIME, they whine, wail, gnash teeth, and cry until the streets are flowing with saliva and tears. Each "new" line (and I have to put new because at this point HasTak has no damned originality and can't create but Geewun redux) the Geewunners complain that it's not, you know, G1 despite it still essentially being g1. You know what current toys have that G1 toys never had? Knees and elbows. Seriously they need to quit their crying and just accept that we aren't in G1 anymore and either move on or sulk and hide in a corner and STFU.
(panting as annoyed rage subsides)
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Quantum Surge wrote:On your left, we have a debate on Willis being reliable. And on your right, we have a discussion on Geewunners being mad over the Animated Stunticons.
Just another day in the Transformers fandom.Quantum Surge wrote:On your left, we have a debate on Willis being reliable. And on your right, we have a discussion on Geewunners being mad over the Animated Stunticons.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
sol magnus wrote:First-Aid wrote:Sabrblade wrote:And let's face it. Many of the complaints about the Animated Stunticons not being a combiner came from people who wanted a new Classics-style Menasor and didn't really care about the Animated universe or its aesthetic. They just wanted a modern G1-ish Menasor and were mad that BotCon 2011 wasn't gonna give them one (as if they would have ever happened in 2011 regardless).
This is what bugs me about Geewunners. They are never, EVER happy. Unless it's exactly the same g1 figures EVERY SINGLE DAMN TIME, they whine, wail, gnash teeth, and cry until the streets are flowing with saliva and tears. Each "new" line (and I have to put new because at this point HasTak has no damned originality and can't create but Geewun redux) the Geewunners complain that it's not, you know, G1 despite it still essentially being g1. You know what current toys have that G1 toys never had? Knees and elbows. Seriously they need to quit their crying and just accept that we aren't in G1 anymore and either move on or sulk and hide in a corner and STFU.
(panting as annoyed rage subsides)
As a G1 fan, eff that 'Geewunner' BS, I'm very happy with the current direction of things in general with Transformers. We're getting the staple guys drib drabbed out, deep cuts, and even widening the tent.
I think you just talk to the wrong people.
Rtron wrote:sol magnus wrote:First-Aid wrote:Sabrblade wrote:And let's face it. Many of the complaints about the Animated Stunticons not being a combiner came from people who wanted a new Classics-style Menasor and didn't really care about the Animated universe or its aesthetic. They just wanted a modern G1-ish Menasor and were mad that BotCon 2011 wasn't gonna give them one (as if they would have ever happened in 2011 regardless).
This is what bugs me about Geewunners. They are never, EVER happy. Unless it's exactly the same g1 figures EVERY SINGLE DAMN TIME, they whine, wail, gnash teeth, and cry until the streets are flowing with saliva and tears. Each "new" line (and I have to put new because at this point HasTak has no damned originality and can't create but Geewun redux) the Geewunners complain that it's not, you know, G1 despite it still essentially being g1. You know what current toys have that G1 toys never had? Knees and elbows. Seriously they need to quit their crying and just accept that we aren't in G1 anymore and either move on or sulk and hide in a corner and STFU.
(panting as annoyed rage subsides)
As a G1 fan, eff that 'Geewunner' BS, I'm very happy with the current direction of things in general with Transformers. We're getting the staple guys drib drabbed out, deep cuts, and even widening the tent.
I think you just talk to the wrong people.
Dude, of course you don't mind it if you're a geewunner. But if you like animated, prime, or bayverse, then really there's barely anything at all, really nothing if you like animated or prime.
I think you misread what he wrote. He said "eff that 'Geewunner' BS", meaning he's against the Geewunner mentality. He's a G1 fan, but not a Geewunner.Rtron wrote:sol magnus wrote:First-Aid wrote:Sabrblade wrote:And let's face it. Many of the complaints about the Animated Stunticons not being a combiner came from people who wanted a new Classics-style Menasor and didn't really care about the Animated universe or its aesthetic. They just wanted a modern G1-ish Menasor and were mad that BotCon 2011 wasn't gonna give them one (as if they would have ever happened in 2011 regardless).
This is what bugs me about Geewunners. They are never, EVER happy. Unless it's exactly the same g1 figures EVERY SINGLE DAMN TIME, they whine, wail, gnash teeth, and cry until the streets are flowing with saliva and tears. Each "new" line (and I have to put new because at this point HasTak has no damned originality and can't create but Geewun redux) the Geewunners complain that it's not, you know, G1 despite it still essentially being g1. You know what current toys have that G1 toys never had? Knees and elbows. Seriously they need to quit their crying and just accept that we aren't in G1 anymore and either move on or sulk and hide in a corner and STFU.
(panting as annoyed rage subsides)
As a G1 fan, eff that 'Geewunner' BS, I'm very happy with the current direction of things in general with Transformers. We're getting the staple guys drib drabbed out, deep cuts, and even widening the tent.
I think you just talk to the wrong people.
Dude, of course you don't mind it if you're a geewunner. But if you like animated, prime, or bayverse, then really there's barely anything at all, really nothing if you like animated or prime.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:I think you misread what he wrote. He said "eff that 'Geewunner' BS", meaning he's against the Geewunner mentality. He's a G1 fan, but not a Geewunner.Rtron wrote:sol magnus wrote:First-Aid wrote:Sabrblade wrote:And let's face it. Many of the complaints about the Animated Stunticons not being a combiner came from people who wanted a new Classics-style Menasor and didn't really care about the Animated universe or its aesthetic. They just wanted a modern G1-ish Menasor and were mad that BotCon 2011 wasn't gonna give them one (as if they would have ever happened in 2011 regardless).
This is what bugs me about Geewunners. They are never, EVER happy. Unless it's exactly the same g1 figures EVERY SINGLE DAMN TIME, they whine, wail, gnash teeth, and cry until the streets are flowing with saliva and tears. Each "new" line (and I have to put new because at this point HasTak has no damned originality and can't create but Geewun redux) the Geewunners complain that it's not, you know, G1 despite it still essentially being g1. You know what current toys have that G1 toys never had? Knees and elbows. Seriously they need to quit their crying and just accept that we aren't in G1 anymore and either move on or sulk and hide in a corner and STFU.
(panting as annoyed rage subsides)
As a G1 fan, eff that 'Geewunner' BS, I'm very happy with the current direction of things in general with Transformers. We're getting the staple guys drib drabbed out, deep cuts, and even widening the tent.
I think you just talk to the wrong people.
Dude, of course you don't mind it if you're a geewunner. But if you like animated, prime, or bayverse, then really there's barely anything at all, really nothing if you like animated or prime.
Sabrblade wrote:I think you misread what he wrote. He said "eff that 'Geewunner' BS", meaning he's against the Geewunner mentality. He's a G1 fan, but not a Geewunner.Rtron wrote:sol magnus wrote:First-Aid wrote:Sabrblade wrote:And let's face it. Many of the complaints about the Animated Stunticons not being a combiner came from people who wanted a new Classics-style Menasor and didn't really care about the Animated universe or its aesthetic. They just wanted a modern G1-ish Menasor and were mad that BotCon 2011 wasn't gonna give them one (as if they would have ever happened in 2011 regardless).
This is what bugs me about Geewunners. They are never, EVER happy. Unless it's exactly the same g1 figures EVERY SINGLE DAMN TIME, they whine, wail, gnash teeth, and cry until the streets are flowing with saliva and tears. Each "new" line (and I have to put new because at this point HasTak has no damned originality and can't create but Geewun redux) the Geewunners complain that it's not, you know, G1 despite it still essentially being g1. You know what current toys have that G1 toys never had? Knees and elbows. Seriously they need to quit their crying and just accept that we aren't in G1 anymore and either move on or sulk and hide in a corner and STFU.
(panting as annoyed rage subsides)
As a G1 fan, eff that 'Geewunner' BS, I'm very happy with the current direction of things in general with Transformers. We're getting the staple guys drib drabbed out, deep cuts, and even widening the tent.
I think you just talk to the wrong people.
Dude, of course you don't mind it if you're a geewunner. But if you like animated, prime, or bayverse, then really there's barely anything at all, really nothing if you like animated or prime.
Rtron wrote:Sabrblade wrote:I think you misread what he wrote. He said "eff that 'Geewunner' BS", meaning he's against the Geewunner mentality. He's a G1 fan, but not a Geewunner.Rtron wrote:sol magnus wrote:First-Aid wrote:Sabrblade wrote:And let's face it. Many of the complaints about the Animated Stunticons not being a combiner came from people who wanted a new Classics-style Menasor and didn't really care about the Animated universe or its aesthetic. They just wanted a modern G1-ish Menasor and were mad that BotCon 2011 wasn't gonna give them one (as if they would have ever happened in 2011 regardless).
This is what bugs me about Geewunners. They are never, EVER happy. Unless it's exactly the same g1 figures EVERY SINGLE DAMN TIME, they whine, wail, gnash teeth, and cry until the streets are flowing with saliva and tears. Each "new" line (and I have to put new because at this point HasTak has no damned originality and can't create but Geewun redux) the Geewunners complain that it's not, you know, G1 despite it still essentially being g1. You know what current toys have that G1 toys never had? Knees and elbows. Seriously they need to quit their crying and just accept that we aren't in G1 anymore and either move on or sulk and hide in a corner and STFU.
(panting as annoyed rage subsides)
As a G1 fan, eff that 'Geewunner' BS, I'm very happy with the current direction of things in general with Transformers. We're getting the staple guys drib drabbed out, deep cuts, and even widening the tent.
I think you just talk to the wrong people.
Dude, of course you don't mind it if you're a geewunner. But if you like animated, prime, or bayverse, then really there's barely anything at all, really nothing if you like animated or prime.
AcademyofDrX wrote:Sabrblade wrote:I think you misread what he wrote. He said "eff that 'Geewunner' BS", meaning he's against the Geewunner mentality. He's a G1 fan, but not a Geewunner.Rtron wrote:sol magnus wrote:First-Aid wrote:Sabrblade wrote:And let's face it. Many of the complaints about the Animated Stunticons not being a combiner came from people who wanted a new Classics-style Menasor and didn't really care about the Animated universe or its aesthetic. They just wanted a modern G1-ish Menasor and were mad that BotCon 2011 wasn't gonna give them one (as if they would have ever happened in 2011 regardless).
This is what bugs me about Geewunners. They are never, EVER happy. Unless it's exactly the same g1 figures EVERY SINGLE DAMN TIME, they whine, wail, gnash teeth, and cry until the streets are flowing with saliva and tears. Each "new" line (and I have to put new because at this point HasTak has no damned originality and can't create but Geewun redux) the Geewunners complain that it's not, you know, G1 despite it still essentially being g1. You know what current toys have that G1 toys never had? Knees and elbows. Seriously they need to quit their crying and just accept that we aren't in G1 anymore and either move on or sulk and hide in a corner and STFU.
(panting as annoyed rage subsides)
As a G1 fan, eff that 'Geewunner' BS, I'm very happy with the current direction of things in general with Transformers. We're getting the staple guys drib drabbed out, deep cuts, and even widening the tent.
I think you just talk to the wrong people.
Dude, of course you don't mind it if you're a geewunner. But if you like animated, prime, or bayverse, then really there's barely anything at all, really nothing if you like animated or prime.
I'm not going to insist that factionalism doesn't exist, because I know it does and I've seen it. But I frankly see far more anti-Geewunner than pro-Geewunner posts, and I think any kind of purists are a small minority. Most people are "I like this the most, but I also like X, and I don't like Y." So there's still plenty of stuff to argue about, but most arguments aren't "this is always bad and you're wrong."
At least, in my experience. If someone says they hate everything about X in a confrontational way, then I mute them. Unless they hate everything about TransTech, because that's obviously objectively correct.
The irony of this is, Hasbro is clearly allowing Beast Wars to keep its aesthetic in Legacy, when it's clearly a very distinct look from the G1 aesthetic that G2, RID 2001, and the Unicron Trilogy all held onto. Prime and Animated get G1-ified, but Beast Wars does not, when its aesthetic is based less on G1 and more on The Guyver (true story).Rtron wrote:I personally like G1 as an aesthetic on its own, my problem is that clearly Hasbro is trying to make it the only Transformers aesthetic, when until about 2015 Transformers was an eclectic brand with a little something for everyone, that was constantly reinventing itself and presenting new looks and possibilities for the Transformers.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:The irony of this is, Hasbro is clearly allowing Beast Wars to keep its aesthetic in Legacy, when it's clearly a very distinct look from the G1 aesthetic that G2, RID 2001, and the Unicron Trilogy all held onto. Prime and Animated get G1-ified, but Beast Wars does not, when its aesthetic is based less on G1 and more on The Guyver (true story).Rtron wrote:I personally like G1 as an aesthetic on its own, my problem is that clearly Hasbro is trying to make it the only Transformers aesthetic, when until about 2015 Transformers was an eclectic brand with a little something for everyone, that was constantly reinventing itself and presenting new looks and possibilities for the Transformers.
Can you guys imagine how outraged people would have been if the Legacy toys of Tarantulas and Inferno had had the blocky mechanical machine aesthetic of the G1 Dinobots/Insecticons/Predacons/etc. instead of the rounded, organic-textured look that they received?
Rtron wrote:I personally like G1 as an aesthetic on its own, my problem is that clearly Hasbro is trying to make it the only Transformers aesthetic, when until about 2015 Transformers was an eclectic brand with a little something for everyone, that was constantly reinventing itself and presenting new looks and possibilities for the Transformers.
SpaceEagle wrote:Okay but I'd honestly love to see a take on the Beastie Bots being done in the chunky, 80's mecha style of the G1 bots...
Would it probably upset fans? Probably, can't really deny that, but I would find it very fascinating. Maybe that could've been their "Cybertronian" counterparts if HasTak needed a marketing gimmick to excuse why chunky bugs and cheetahs turned into organic ones. Shrug.
This?AcademyofDrX wrote:SpaceEagle wrote:Okay but I'd honestly love to see a take on the Beastie Bots being done in the chunky, 80's mecha style of the G1 bots...
Would it probably upset fans? Probably, can't really deny that, but I would find it very fascinating. Maybe that could've been their "Cybertronian" counterparts if HasTak needed a marketing gimmick to excuse why chunky bugs and cheetahs turned into organic ones. Shrug.
I love Burcham's designs for Cybertronian Beasties in the last IDW comic with those characters. They weren't blocky and overly G1, but sleek and angular and something else entirely.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
AcademyofDrX wrote:Rtron wrote:I personally like G1 as an aesthetic on its own, my problem is that clearly Hasbro is trying to make it the only Transformers aesthetic, when until about 2015 Transformers was an eclectic brand with a little something for everyone, that was constantly reinventing itself and presenting new looks and possibilities for the Transformers.
This is simply untrue. You could certainly make a claim that Generations exclusive of Studio Series as a toyline umbrella is overly devoted to G1 and the toons, but even then you need exceptions like Beast Wars and Armada. Cyberverse is G1-ish, but no more so than Animated was.
On the other end of the spectrum, BotBots and Rescue Bots are arguably dead brands now, but the former postdates 2015, and the latter has continued past that point in multiple ways. I would be shocked if Hasbro isn't looking for the next weird brand spin-off even now. You can also compare TF to other legacy and evergreen properties like He-Man and GI Joe, where there is much less narrative and product innovation. Transformers is positively dynamic in contrast to those.
Sabrblade wrote:This?AcademyofDrX wrote:SpaceEagle wrote:Okay but I'd honestly love to see a take on the Beastie Bots being done in the chunky, 80's mecha style of the G1 bots...
Would it probably upset fans? Probably, can't really deny that, but I would find it very fascinating. Maybe that could've been their "Cybertronian" counterparts if HasTak needed a marketing gimmick to excuse why chunky bugs and cheetahs turned into organic ones. Shrug.
I love Burcham's designs for Cybertronian Beasties in the last IDW comic with those characters. They weren't blocky and overly G1, but sleek and angular and something else entirely.
It's kinda like a "Beast Machines meets Movieverse" aesthetic. Really alien like those two.
Sabrblade wrote:This?AcademyofDrX wrote:SpaceEagle wrote:Okay but I'd honestly love to see a take on the Beastie Bots being done in the chunky, 80's mecha style of the G1 bots...
Would it probably upset fans? Probably, can't really deny that, but I would find it very fascinating. Maybe that could've been their "Cybertronian" counterparts if HasTak needed a marketing gimmick to excuse why chunky bugs and cheetahs turned into organic ones. Shrug.
I love Burcham's designs for Cybertronian Beasties in the last IDW comic with those characters. They weren't blocky and overly G1, but sleek and angular and something else entirely.
It's kinda like a "Beast Machines meets Movieverse" aesthetic. Really alien like those two.
AcademyofDrX wrote:Sabrblade wrote:This?AcademyofDrX wrote:SpaceEagle wrote:Okay but I'd honestly love to see a take on the Beastie Bots being done in the chunky, 80's mecha style of the G1 bots...
Would it probably upset fans? Probably, can't really deny that, but I would find it very fascinating. Maybe that could've been their "Cybertronian" counterparts if HasTak needed a marketing gimmick to excuse why chunky bugs and cheetahs turned into organic ones. Shrug.
I love Burcham's designs for Cybertronian Beasties in the last IDW comic with those characters. They weren't blocky and overly G1, but sleek and angular and something else entirely.
It's kinda like a "Beast Machines meets Movieverse" aesthetic. Really alien like those two.
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