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AcademyofDrX wrote:Sabrblade wrote:This?AcademyofDrX wrote:SpaceEagle wrote:Okay but I'd honestly love to see a take on the Beastie Bots being done in the chunky, 80's mecha style of the G1 bots...
Would it probably upset fans? Probably, can't really deny that, but I would find it very fascinating. Maybe that could've been their "Cybertronian" counterparts if HasTak needed a marketing gimmick to excuse why chunky bugs and cheetahs turned into organic ones. Shrug.
I love Burcham's designs for Cybertronian Beasties in the last IDW comic with those characters. They weren't blocky and overly G1, but sleek and angular and something else entirely.
It's kinda like a "Beast Machines meets Movieverse" aesthetic. Really alien like those two.
No, this:
Rtron wrote:AcademyofDrX wrote:Rtron wrote:I personally like G1 as an aesthetic on its own, my problem is that clearly Hasbro is trying to make it the only Transformers aesthetic, when until about 2015 Transformers was an eclectic brand with a little something for everyone, that was constantly reinventing itself and presenting new looks and possibilities for the Transformers.
This is simply untrue. You could certainly make a claim that Generations exclusive of Studio Series as a toyline umbrella is overly devoted to G1 and the toons, but even then you need exceptions like Beast Wars and Armada. Cyberverse is G1-ish, but no more so than Animated was.
On the other end of the spectrum, BotBots and Rescue Bots are arguably dead brands now, but the former postdates 2015, and the latter has continued past that point in multiple ways. I would be shocked if Hasbro isn't looking for the next weird brand spin-off even now. You can also compare TF to other legacy and evergreen properties like He-Man and GI Joe, where there is much less narrative and product innovation. Transformers is positively dynamic in contrast to those.
Yeah, well, but that's like saying that snails are faster that dead snails, lol. There's few toylines more stuck in time than those two you mentioned.
Botbots was different, yeah, but Hasbro always treated it as a secondary thing, to the point where they gave it a single season cartoon, and they waited until the toyline was over to do it. The "main" new things tend to be way more G1 inspired now. I think Cyberverse is way more G1 than Animated, not just in style but conceptually and in story.
Ah, right. That's just Josh Burcham's art style in general. When given full control of the art, he draws everything like that.AcademyofDrX wrote:Sabrblade wrote:This?AcademyofDrX wrote:SpaceEagle wrote:Okay but I'd honestly love to see a take on the Beastie Bots being done in the chunky, 80's mecha style of the G1 bots...
Would it probably upset fans? Probably, can't really deny that, but I would find it very fascinating. Maybe that could've been their "Cybertronian" counterparts if HasTak needed a marketing gimmick to excuse why chunky bugs and cheetahs turned into organic ones. Shrug.
I love Burcham's designs for Cybertronian Beasties in the last IDW comic with those characters. They weren't blocky and overly G1, but sleek and angular and something else entirely.
It's kinda like a "Beast Machines meets Movieverse" aesthetic. Really alien like those two.
No, this:
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
AcademyofDrX wrote:Rtron wrote:AcademyofDrX wrote:Rtron wrote:I personally like G1 as an aesthetic on its own, my problem is that clearly Hasbro is trying to make it the only Transformers aesthetic, when until about 2015 Transformers was an eclectic brand with a little something for everyone, that was constantly reinventing itself and presenting new looks and possibilities for the Transformers.
This is simply untrue. You could certainly make a claim that Generations exclusive of Studio Series as a toyline umbrella is overly devoted to G1 and the toons, but even then you need exceptions like Beast Wars and Armada. Cyberverse is G1-ish, but no more so than Animated was.
On the other end of the spectrum, BotBots and Rescue Bots are arguably dead brands now, but the former postdates 2015, and the latter has continued past that point in multiple ways. I would be shocked if Hasbro isn't looking for the next weird brand spin-off even now. You can also compare TF to other legacy and evergreen properties like He-Man and GI Joe, where there is much less narrative and product innovation. Transformers is positively dynamic in contrast to those.
Yeah, well, but that's like saying that snails are faster that dead snails, lol. There's few toylines more stuck in time than those two you mentioned.
Botbots was different, yeah, but Hasbro always treated it as a secondary thing, to the point where they gave it a single season cartoon, and they waited until the toyline was over to do it. The "main" new things tend to be way more G1 inspired now. I think Cyberverse is way more G1 than Animated, not just in style but conceptually and in story.
Right, but those properties are quite similar to Transformers, starting around the same time, with multiple relaunches, and still active forty years later. Transformers has always been more adaptive to modern times than those, but it also continues to be.
I guarantee that Hasbro didn't want the BotBots cartoon to air independent of product support and vice versa. You may recall that media production and the distribution of goods were severely impacted by an incredibly disruptive worldwide event, and that was not in Hasbro's control.
We can agree to disagree on Cyberverse. Transformers products and stories will rarely be mostly free of G1 influence, but I don't think that's the same as saying they're only ever G1.
SpaceEagle wrote:Giant robots just sell, kids just love big beep boops and them turning into a cool car or a cool tank is just something everyone loves.
sometimes
But more often than not!
Rtron wrote:SpaceEagle wrote:Giant robots just sell, kids just love big beep boops and them turning into a cool car or a cool tank is just something everyone loves.
sometimes
But more often than not!
I think this we can all agree on! Robots that turn into other things and beings will always appeal to a certain type of kid.
I just think that it's important to constantly change aesthetic and setting, to keep it in line with the times, so that MORE kids will like it, and feeling tied to G1 goes in detriment of that.
Rtron wrote:Rtron wrote:Sabrblade wrote:I think you misread what he wrote. He said "eff that 'Geewunner' BS", meaning he's against the Geewunner mentality. He's a G1 fan, but not a Geewunner.Rtron wrote:sol magnus wrote:First-Aid wrote:Sabrblade wrote:And let's face it. Many of the complaints about the Animated Stunticons not being a combiner came from people who wanted a new Classics-style Menasor and didn't really care about the Animated universe or its aesthetic. They just wanted a modern G1-ish Menasor and were mad that BotCon 2011 wasn't gonna give them one (as if they would have ever happened in 2011 regardless).
This is what bugs me about Geewunners. They are never, EVER happy. Unless it's exactly the same g1 figures EVERY SINGLE DAMN TIME, they whine, wail, gnash teeth, and cry until the streets are flowing with saliva and tears. Each "new" line (and I have to put new because at this point HasTak has no damned originality and can't create but Geewun redux) the Geewunners complain that it's not, you know, G1 despite it still essentially being g1. You know what current toys have that G1 toys never had? Knees and elbows. Seriously they need to quit their crying and just accept that we aren't in G1 anymore and either move on or sulk and hide in a corner and STFU.
(panting as annoyed rage subsides)
As a G1 fan, eff that 'Geewunner' BS, I'm very happy with the current direction of things in general with Transformers. We're getting the staple guys drib drabbed out, deep cuts, and even widening the tent.
I think you just talk to the wrong people.
Dude, of course you don't mind it if you're a geewunner. But if you like animated, prime, or bayverse, then really there's barely anything at all, really nothing if you like animated or prime.
Ok, you're right. I'm sorry Sol Magnus, I misread you. Things are pretty bad in other non-TF areas and I misdirected my frustration. I still stand by the fact that those properties are not being handled properly, but I was wrong to criticize you. I left out Unicron Trilogy because that's something that they are actually doing properly... probably because it's already pretty in line with the G1 aesthetic.
The same person who decided that was also an acceptable feature to drop when developing Legacy Laser Optimus Prime?ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:What good-for-nothing pseudo-thinking and/or pennypinching smeghead decided that FULL SHOULDER ROTATION was an acceptable feature to drop when developing Legacy Armada Megatron?
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
That was also stupid, although at least in that thing's case there was the quasi-excuse that it was an extreme retool of Earthrise Optimus.Sabrblade wrote:The same person who decided that was also an acceptable feature to drop when developing Legacy Laser Optimus Prime?ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:What good-for-nothing pseudo-thinking and/or pennypinching smeghead decided that FULL SHOULDER ROTATION was an acceptable feature to drop when developing Legacy Armada Megatron?
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Hopped on to double-check the OG Armada Megatron gallery for comparison (easier than grabbing my Galvatron off the shelf)... and I saw that the scaremongering clickbait title on the Nacelle article still hasn't been changed. Part of me feels like at this point this site can't be trusted to post news at all.
Emerje wrote:Again, it's not changing until we get a statement from Hasbro or Amazon, not a random guy posting on Twitter. I don't care if he's a TFwiki contributer, he's no more an authority than I am. This is by no means scaremongering, this is a real, widespread issue that could potentially be dangerous. The fact that Amazon is giving refunds and exchanges without asking for the figure back is very troubling to me.
Emerje
Bun-Bun wrote:Emerje wrote:Again, it's not changing until we get a statement from Hasbro or Amazon, not a random guy posting on Twitter. I don't care if he's a TFwiki contributer, he's no more an authority than I am. This is by no means scaremongering, this is a real, widespread issue that could potentially be dangerous. The fact that Amazon is giving refunds and exchanges without asking for the figure back is very troubling to me.
Emerje
Read: Not changing it because it's the most hits we've gotten in years
How widespread exactly is it? Because so far all I've seen online is a bunch of people saying they opened theirs because of this and found nothing.
If everyone is claiming mold damage then yeah I can see Amazon not wanting it back without question. I wouldn't be surprised if there is some law against knowingly shipping moldy packages.
Until i start seeing TF Neckbeards turning into clickers I'm filing this under "Much ado about nothing because Seibertron is desperate for clicks"
Bun-Bun wrote:Read: Not changing it because it's the most hits we've gotten in years
Emerje wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Hopped on to double-check the OG Armada Megatron gallery for comparison (easier than grabbing my Galvatron off the shelf)... and I saw that the scaremongering clickbait title on the Nacelle article still hasn't been changed. Part of me feels like at this point this site can't be trusted to post news at all.
Again, it's not changing until we get a statement from Hasbro or Amazon, not a random guy posting on Twitter. I don't care if he's a TFwiki contributer, he's no more an authority than I am. This is by no means scaremongering, this is a real, widespread issue that could potentially be dangerous. The fact that Amazon is giving refunds and exchanges without asking for the figure back is very troubling to me.
Emerje
chuckdawg1999 wrote:Emerje wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Hopped on to double-check the OG Armada Megatron gallery for comparison (easier than grabbing my Galvatron off the shelf)... and I saw that the scaremongering clickbait title on the Nacelle article still hasn't been changed. Part of me feels like at this point this site can't be trusted to post news at all.
Again, it's not changing until we get a statement from Hasbro or Amazon, not a random guy posting on Twitter. I don't care if he's a TFwiki contributer, he's no more an authority than I am. This is by no means scaremongering, this is a real, widespread issue that could potentially be dangerous. The fact that Amazon is giving refunds and exchanges without asking for the figure back is very troubling to me.
Emerje
I'm with ya but I seriously doubt either company will release a statement without being forced. I'm willing to storm Hasbro corporate but I'll need someone to cover bail.
"We understand your concern, and are working to better understand the situation ourselves. We hold our products to a high standard and are looking into making sure that something like this does not happen again. We greatly appreciate our devoted fanbase and wish to continue our current relationship in the foreseeable future. We hope that you stay tuned as we look further into this matter, and that you continue to enjoy our products that we strive to make the best that they can be. Thank you, and have a nice day."Emerje wrote:Not a doubt in my mind that this isn't going to be addressed unless someone can corner Hasbro at a live Q&A.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:"We understand your concern, and are working to better understand the situation ourselves. We hold our products to a high standard and are looking into making sure that something like this does not happen again. We greatly appreciate our devoted fanbase and wish to continue our current relationship in the foreseeable future. We hope that you stay tuned as we look further into this matter, and that you continue to enjoy our products that we strive to make the best that they can be. Thank you, and have a nice day."Emerje wrote:Not a doubt in my mind that this isn't going to be addressed unless someone can corner Hasbro at a live Q&A.
"It's Soylent Green."Emerje wrote:Sabrblade wrote:"We understand your concern, and are working to better understand the situation ourselves. We hold our products to a high standard and are looking into making sure that something like this does not happen again. We greatly appreciate our devoted fanbase and wish to continue our current relationship in the foreseeable future. We hope that you stay tuned as we look further into this matter, and that you continue to enjoy our products that we strive to make the best that they can be. Thank you, and have a nice day."Emerje wrote:Not a doubt in my mind that this isn't going to be addressed unless someone can corner Hasbro at a live Q&A.
That'd be the PR official statement, sure, but you catch Evan with that question and I bet he'd say all kinds of things he isn't supposed to.![]()
Emerje
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:"It's Soylent Green."Emerje wrote:Sabrblade wrote:"We understand your concern, and are working to better understand the situation ourselves. We hold our products to a high standard and are looking into making sure that something like this does not happen again. We greatly appreciate our devoted fanbase and wish to continue our current relationship in the foreseeable future. We hope that you stay tuned as we look further into this matter, and that you continue to enjoy our products that we strive to make the best that they can be. Thank you, and have a nice day."Emerje wrote:Not a doubt in my mind that this isn't going to be addressed unless someone can corner Hasbro at a live Q&A.
That'd be the PR official statement, sure, but you catch Evan with that question and I bet he'd say all kinds of things he isn't supposed to.![]()
Emerje
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