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I think we're forgetting with inflation the 2024 Titan could very well be that Missing Link Optimus Prime.

chuckdawg1999 wrote:I think we're forgetting with inflation the 2024 Titan could very well be that Missing Link Optimus Prime.

If that were the case then Hasbro wouldn't be selling them on Pulse for $120 right now.

Emerje

-Kanrabat- wrote:"Armada Optimus, TF of the year."

Unless something mind-blowing come out before December 31st, Armada Optimus Prime is a very, very strong contender.

Devcon is my pick. Man, this guy looks like he stepped right out of the TV.

chuckdawg1999 wrote:I think we're forgetting with inflation the 2024 Titan could very well be that Missing Link Optimus Prime.

My money is still on Maudlin Prime.

Razorbeast88 wrote:As mentioned previously, it doesn't really make sense for tigerhawk and thundertron to share a mold (though who knows at this point). I'd be bummed if they make thundertron out of the Leo Prime mold, that doesn't really fit either

I'm wondering if the leader version will be the same as the voyager but with more accessories? Or a bonus core class figure? Maybe the leaks aren't completely accurate with the size classes or something

I would assume Thundertron is not enough of a fan-favourite to warrant a heavy retool.
I think a repaint of Leo prime for the voyager and tigerhawk for the Leader is likely.

The only recent alternative would be Rise of the Beasts Cheetor. It would really surprise me if they would import that mold into Legacy evolution for thundertron...
Then again, having the Leo Prime mold in Wave 4 and 6 of Evolution and Wave 1 of UNI seems overkill as well.

How would Thundertron and Tigerhawk sharing the same mold even work? Their transformations are completely different.

Thundertron's lion head becomes his torso; Tigerhawk's tiger head becomes his right shoulder.

Thundertron's robot legs are formed by his beast mode's hind legs, while his front legs become his robot arms. Tigerhawk's robot legs are formed by his beast mode's front legs, while his hind legs fold up into the torso to place his bird feet next to each shoulder. And his arms are made from none of his beast mode limbs.

The only thing they really have in common besides both being felines is that both are white and blue, but it is more common for a mold to have its second use be a different color from the first in order to avoid redundancy with the first release.

Sabrblade wrote:How would Thundertron and Tigerhawk sharing the same mold even work? Their transformations are completely different.

Thundertron's lion head becomes his torso; Tigerhawk's tiger head becomes his right shoulder.

Thundertron's robot legs are formed by his beast mode's hind legs, while his front legs become his robot arms. Tigerhawk's robot legs are formed by his beast mode's front legs, while his hind legs fold up into the torso to place his bird feet next to each shoulder. And his arms are made from none of his beast mode limbs.

The only thing they really have in common besides both being felines is that both are white and blue, but it is more common for a mold to have its second use be a different color from the first in order to avoid redundancy with the first release.

The way it would work is that they would compromise. Tigerhawk wouldn't be ruined if the head was in the chest, because usually it's just a panel. Both of them have claws on the shoulders, and if they could rotate 180 degrees, it would work for both designs. And I don't want to sound like a jerk, but I don't know that a toy-only Prime figure has enough demand that he has to be a perfect match for the original.

With two different classes, my guess is they're both retools: the voyager from Silverbolt and the leader from Tigerhawk. I know Thundertron's beast mode extensions aren't wings, but they're something, and I think a Silverbolt base would have a lot of beast elements in the right place.

Sabrblade wrote:How would Thundertron and Tigerhawk sharing the same mold even work? Their transformations are completely different.

Thundertron's lion head becomes his torso; Tigerhawk's tiger head becomes his right shoulder.

Thundertron's robot legs are formed by his beast mode's hind legs, while his front legs become his robot arms. Tigerhawk's robot legs are formed by his beast mode's front legs, while his hind legs fold up into the torso to place his bird feet next to each shoulder. And his arms are made from none of his beast mode limbs.

The only thing they really have in common besides both being felines is that both are white and blue, but it is more common for a mold to have its second use be a different color from the first in order to avoid redundancy with the first release.

The two Thundertrons and Tigerhawk are turning into a bowl of spaghetti at this rate.

Tigerhawk is a unique mold, that we all agree on. Thundertron from the looks of it as well. But either one listing is misnamed, or the Leader is simply the Voyager with extras. I'm willing to say it's the latter case, since all it takes to make something "new" is a tweaked deco with different stuff. Speaking of which:


Transformers Go! Go Prime Gallery

william-james88 wrote:Thundertron and Tigerhawk won't be sharing the same mold.

Thought this might be relevant to repost as I agree. We've see Hasbro do some crazy retools in the past but I doubt this would be one.

While I'm not expecting it, I think it would be best if at least one of the two Thundertrons is an original mould, perhaps the Voyager that could be a possible "pretool" for a future Leobreaker. Of course it makes more sense for both to be retools of existing moulds because Thundertron is not a popular character, but you never know, we could end up with a similar situation to Override, where it was originally conceived as an extensive retool of an existing mould, but along the way they figured out a way to make it an original mould. But of course that's wishful thinking.
Whatever we end up with, I'm still amazed that such an obscure character that Hasbro has done nothing with for a decade is suddenly getting two toys over the course of one year. I've always liked the idea of the Star Seekers, and I'm excited for that capsule.

The Leader version could just be the Voyager with something like a redeco of Coronation Starscream's throne as a Captain's chair.

Sabrblade wrote:The Leader version could just be the Voyager with something like a redeco of Coronation Starscream's throne as a Captain's chair.

Does that seem particularly likely? How many other examples have there been?

AcademyofDrX wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:The Leader version could just be the Voyager with something like a redeco of Coronation Starscream's throne as a Captain's chair.

Does that seem particularly likely? How many other examples have there been?

I'm just saying it's a possibility.

Sabrblade wrote:

AcademyofDrX wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:The Leader version could just be the Voyager with something like a redeco of Coronation Starscream's throne as a Captain's chair.

Does that seem particularly likely? How many other examples have there been?

I'm just saying it's a possibility.

Voyagers being "bumped up" to a higher price point has been done before, with Walmart's WFC Trilogy capsule.

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

AcademyofDrX wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:The Leader version could just be the Voyager with something like a redeco of Coronation Starscream's throne as a Captain's chair.

Does that seem particularly likely? How many other examples have there been?

I'm just saying it's a possibility.

Voyagers being "bumped up" to a higher price point has been done before, with Walmart's WFC Trilogy capsule.

This may be semantics, but that's still different than what we're talking about here. The WfC multipacks were priced close to Leader prices, but not as part of the class, instead as their own assortment. I'm not saying it's not possible for that to be happening with Thundertron, but there's not much precedent.

I will say on the topic of retools going from voyager to leader, one good example from studio series is ROTF Megatron into DOTM Shockwave. They share some parts, but they're also very distinctly different designs

Sentinel_Primal wrote:I will say on the topic of retools going from voyager to leader, one good example from studio series is ROTF Megatron into DOTM Shockwave. They share some parts, but they're also very distinctly different designs

Sharing a few small parts doesn't make them the same entire mold, though.

Sabrblade wrote:

Sentinel_Primal wrote:I will say on the topic of retools going from voyager to leader, one good example from studio series is ROTF Megatron into DOTM Shockwave. They share some parts, but they're also very distinctly different designs

Sharing a few small parts doesn't make them the same entire mold, though.

The term would be "shared engineering." Especially because ROTF Megs is a voyager and DOTM Shocky is a bigger leader.

-Kanrabat- wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Sentinel_Primal wrote:I will say on the topic of retools going from voyager to leader, one good example from studio series is ROTF Megatron into DOTM Shockwave. They share some parts, but they're also very distinctly different designs

Sharing a few small parts doesn't make them the same entire mold, though.

The term would be "shared engineering." Especially because ROTF Megs is a voyager and DOTM Shocky is a bigger leader.

SS DotM Shockwave is in essence both: he does share parts with SS RotF Megatron and a consequence parts of his transformation. The nature of the retooling actually makes him a "Partial" as coined by a Hasbro designer.

Why is everyone obsessed with the possibility that Tigerhawk and Thundertron could be mold-buddies anyway? Do I have to start hunting crows?

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:Why is everyone obsessed with the possibility that Tigerhawk and Thundertron could be mold-buddies anyway? Do I have to start hunting crows?

They may be to each other like what Siege Sideswipe is to Gigawatt.

Sabrblade wrote:How would Thundertron and Tigerhawk sharing the same mold even work? Their transformations are completely different.

When did Hasbro start caring about accurate Prime characters?

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:Why is everyone obsessed with the possibility that Tigerhawk and Thundertron could be mold-buddies anyway? Do I have to start hunting crows?

Solely because we don't have any other Leader class cat options. I still think it would be strange to go from one blue and white cat to another would be a strange move. As long as it doesn't cost a Razorclaw repaint I don't really care.

Emerje

TK415 wrote:Which characters do you think the commander and titan will be?

Oh! That's an easy one! I'm sure there are a lot of transformers buyers like me that ONLY buy g1 toys; Since there probably will only be a handful of g1 studio series, and Legacy has 3 g1 deluxe's and 1 g1 voyager, the Commander and Titan class must be g1, and since hasbro wants some of my money.

My guess is g1 hotspot (though I'd prefer g1 onslaught) as commander class, and g1 metroplex as titan class.

Read my lips Hasbro! No g1, no money for you.

Got the War Dawn set recently and have a few random thoughts on it.

Erial is nice, I think I like the retooled bike mode on her better than the main mold. I like the Prime Arcee base mold, and this might be my favorite use. Also, is this the first transformer with a molded ponytail?

Dion is a mess with terrible QC. His arms don't want to stay on at all and I'll have to add a few layers of polish to tighten them up. It would have been a nice retool if the QC wasn't garbage. The SS86 Kup mold needs to be retired.

Well almost, I will accept 1 more retool/redeco on a crossover figure of the Black Knight from Monty Python and the Holy Grail, but that is it.

TF-fan kev777 wrote:Got the War Dawn set recently and have a few random thoughts on it.

Dion is a mess with terrible QC. His arms don't want to stay on at all and I'll have to add a few layers of polish to tighten them up. It would have been a nice retool if the QC wasn't garbage. The SS86 Kup mold needs to be retired.

I'll have to give that technique a try, I used a couple drops of superglue to tighten up that loose peg hole.

Till-all-R1 wrote:

TF-fan kev777 wrote:Got the War Dawn set recently and have a few random thoughts on it.

Dion is a mess with terrible QC. His arms don't want to stay on at all and I'll have to add a few layers of polish to tighten them up. It would have been a nice retool if the QC wasn't garbage. The SS86 Kup mold needs to be retired.

I'll have to give that technique a try, I used a couple drops of superglue to tighten up that loose peg hole.

I really hate that "arms falling off" gimmick. Especially on my Orion Pax.