Considering his history as a member of Mayhem all using his G1 design, his being paired with Ruckus in this pack, and what happened with Wreckers Bulkhead, I'm guessing it's most likely going to be a G1/Marvel repaint and/or retool of that same mold. I would be shocked if they put a straight repack of a retail figure in a capsule like this.-Kanrabat- wrote:I sincerely hope the Bludgeon in that pack is not the "Tarn in cosplay" one.
Nemesis Primal wrote:Considering his history as a member of Mayhem all using his G1 design, his being paired with Ruckus in this pack, and what happened with Wreckers Bulkhead, I'm guessing it's most likely going to be a G1/Marvel repaint and/or retool of that same mold. I would be shocked if they put a straight repack of a retail figure in a capsule like this.-Kanrabat- wrote:I sincerely hope the Bludgeon in that pack is not the "Tarn in cosplay" one.
The same mold as the retail Bludgeon was what I meant, yes, so Tarn but presumably with actual retooling this time. There's no other Voyager tank mold from WFC & Legacy to use outside of Siege/ER Megatron again, and Wreckers Bulkhead, Impactor, Twin Twist and Springer all used the same exact molds as their original retail releases.-Kanrabat- wrote:Nemesis Primal wrote:Considering his history as a member of Mayhem all using his G1 design, his being paired with Ruckus in this pack, and what happened with Wreckers Bulkhead, I'm guessing it's most likely going to be a G1/Marvel repaint and/or retool of that same mold. I would be shocked if they put a straight repack of a retail figure in a capsule like this.-Kanrabat- wrote:I sincerely hope the Bludgeon in that pack is not the "Tarn in cosplay" one.
The same mold of who? Not Tarn I hope? Unless Ruckus is a new mold and that will be a repaint of it?
Fingers crossed for something good. The ROTF Bludgeon voyager mold is yet to be beaten.
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Sabrblade wrote:And not just any retailer, either. This would be like if BBTS told the US market not to preorder Tidal Wave.Emerje wrote:AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Meanwhile, today:Kapow Toys wrote:Transformers Legacy Titan Tidal Wave is due to go live on pre-order tonight, here is why you should vote with your wallets and not pre-order it.
Damn, that's a rather scathing and incredibly misguided comment from a toy retailer.
Going by some discussion I saw on Twitter regarding this, for the last several titans, they have sold very little stock at full retail for titans, instead being required to adopt and match sales prices and losing money on the titan class in general. Black Zarak appears to have been the biggest offender
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Nemesis Primal wrote:The same mold as the retail Bludgeon was what I meant, yes, so Tarn but presumably with actual retooling this time. There's no other Voyager tank mold from WFC & Legacy to use outside of Siege/ER Megatron again, and Wreckers Bulkhead, Impactor, Twin Twist and Springer all used the same exact molds as their original retail releases.-Kanrabat- wrote:Nemesis Primal wrote:Considering his history as a member of Mayhem all using his G1 design, his being paired with Ruckus in this pack, and what happened with Wreckers Bulkhead, I'm guessing it's most likely going to be a G1/Marvel repaint and/or retool of that same mold. I would be shocked if they put a straight repack of a retail figure in a capsule like this.-Kanrabat- wrote:I sincerely hope the Bludgeon in that pack is not the "Tarn in cosplay" one.
The same mold of who? Not Tarn I hope? Unless Ruckus is a new mold and that will be a repaint of it?
Fingers crossed for something good. The ROTF Bludgeon voyager mold is yet to be beaten.
Ruckus will presumably be a Beachcomber retool? They've got similar enough alt modes and kibble placement, and they could use Beachcomber's bird-mounting pegs for mounting Ruckus's guns. I would have thought maybe Sureshot as well, but between Ruckus's lack of windshield chest and (more importantly) the nebulous circumstance of Sureshot's release at the moment, Beachcomber seems like the safer prediction to me.
Nemesis Primal wrote:JTPrime17 just posted more updates on previously-known listings, meaning we've been given the following additional tidbits:
-Starseekers Deluxe Road Pig will be using the Crashbar mold
-Leader Soundwave is a repaint of the ER mold (maybe this is the Marvel colors one that was rumored last year?)
-the previously-shared "Mayhem Deluxe 2-pack" is now TRA GEN MAYHEM VOY BLUDGEON & DLX RUCKUS (Product Number: G0182)
-Apparently the Mayhem capsule will be 3 multipacks for a total of 7 figures
o.supreme wrote:D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Sabrblade wrote:And not just any retailer, either. This would be like if BBTS told the US market not to preorder Tidal Wave.Emerje wrote:AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Meanwhile, today:Kapow Toys wrote:Transformers Legacy Titan Tidal Wave is due to go live on pre-order tonight, here is why you should vote with your wallets and not pre-order it.
Damn, that's a rather scathing and incredibly misguided comment from a toy retailer.
Going by some discussion I saw on Twitter regarding this, for the last several titans, they have sold very little stock at full retail for titans, instead being required to adopt and match sales prices and losing money on the titan class in general. Black Zarak appears to have been the biggest offender
Actually it's Cybertron Metroplex. It's still available at half off on Kapow website, even Amazon US has it for that price as well. It is eye opening though. I thought 3rd party online retailers could order as many or few as they wanted. I was unaware that Hasbro forced on them a minimum order quantity. I thought that was just for B&M. Still, this, along with shifting manufacturing to India is getting Hasbro a bunch of negative press online.
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:o.supreme wrote:D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Sabrblade wrote:And not just any retailer, either. This would be like if BBTS told the US market not to preorder Tidal Wave.Emerje wrote:AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Meanwhile, today:Kapow Toys wrote:Transformers Legacy Titan Tidal Wave is due to go live on pre-order tonight, here is why you should vote with your wallets and not pre-order it.
Damn, that's a rather scathing and incredibly misguided comment from a toy retailer.
Going by some discussion I saw on Twitter regarding this, for the last several titans, they have sold very little stock at full retail for titans, instead being required to adopt and match sales prices and losing money on the titan class in general. Black Zarak appears to have been the biggest offender
Actually it's Cybertron Metroplex. It's still available at half off on Kapow website, even Amazon US has it for that price as well. It is eye opening though. I thought 3rd party online retailers could order as many or few as they wanted. I was unaware that Hasbro forced on them a minimum order quantity. I thought that was just for B&M. Still, this, along with shifting manufacturing to India is getting Hasbro a bunch of negative press online.
I'm going by what KaPow explicitly said: Black Zarak was the main offender.
-Kanrabat- wrote:TF-fan kev777 wrote:First-Aid wrote:Okay, did anyone else notice that we all get a wonderful shot of Starscreams crotch anytime he sits in that throne? That's unnerving. Couldn't they have put n extra flap in there? It's....weird.
Its kind of like Basic Instinct, but not in a good way...
Goddammit, now I can't unsee it.
First-Aid wrote:This honestly would not surprise me as BZ is very much a niche character. CYB Metroplex at least was featured in what is a relatively widely distributed cartoon series and likely has a much bigger following.
Sabrblade wrote:
#1 Signal Lancer fan wrote:Sabrblade wrote:
Man, Legacy Armada Megatron looks great. The original Armada Megatron was my first Transformer and I remember it very fondly, but this one seems to blow it out of the water in terms of movement. I haven't bought a Transformers figure in many years, but this Megatron and the titan Tidal Wave really have me considering it.
Keep in mind that mine has been augmented with an upgrade kit, meaning the toy as ordinarily sold can't actually do this with its shoulders:#1 Signal Lancer fan wrote:Sabrblade wrote:
Man, Legacy Armada Megatron looks great. The original Armada Megatron was my first Transformer and I remember it very fondly, but this one seems to blow it out of the water in terms of movement. I haven't bought a Transformers figure in many years, but this Megatron and the titan Tidal Wave really have me considering it.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Rtron wrote:How about Armada Prime? I saw your username and remembered I really want them to do a core class Signal Lancer.
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:That Armada Megatron brings me nothing but disappointment. I need that upgrade kit though. They really did neuter him bad
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Luckily, the kit is a measly 10 bucks.
#1 Signal Lancer fan wrote:D-Maximal_Primal wrote:That Armada Megatron brings me nothing but disappointment. I need that upgrade kit though. They really did neuter him bad
Oh man, I didn't realize it was so much worse without the upgrade kit
chuckdawg1999 wrote:I really, really hope it's a slight remold to remove the forearm bits leftover from the Siege version.
I'd argue that the back is a worse offense than the leftovers.chuckdawg1999 wrote:I really, really hope it's a slight remold to remove the forearm bits leftover from the Siege version.
It's not so baffling if you look at her as a twofer homage... and as an obvious pretool of Side Burn.Sabrblade wrote:(and, bafflingly, Cyberverse Shadow Striker) that they really G1-ified
Bingo. G1, RiD 2001, and the Unicron Trilogy are all extremely close aesthetically, and thus blend perfectly as-is.Sabrblade wrote:The Unicron Trilogy designs were always much closer to the blocky G1 aesthetic, so they never needed to be redesigned to the same extent as the Prime/Animated designs.
Mmm... I wouldn't say Black Zarak is niche. At least not to adult collectors. Masterforce is relatively popular, and his original figure has been a widely-talked-about holy grail to collectors in the fandom for decades. And he's a grail tainted by Gold Plastic Syndrome, making a more robust alternative that much more attractive - especially with a size upgrade into the bargain that would make him on par with Grand Maximus (and there so happened to be recent Overlord, God Ginrai, and Grand Max toys to go with; hell, LGEX Grand Max went from "trophy collectors bought then got bored with" to "in demand" because of Black Zarak). I think Kapow may have simply drawn the short straw in BZ's case.First-Aid wrote:D-Maximal_Primal wrote:I'm going by what KaPow explicitly said: Black Zarak was the main offender.
This honestly would not surprise me as BZ is very much a niche character. CYB Metroplex at least was featured in what is a relatively widely distributed cartoon series and likely has a much bigger following.
Part of it is that Legacy Cybertron Metroplex is something of a mixed bag for Cybertron fans. The main appeal to him for us is that he's as close to show scale relative to full-size figures as possible for a retail toy, which is pretty cool, but he's also got some disappointments. The biggest one in my book is that Sparkdrinker's head doesn't split like in the show, and while DNA have (surprisingly) given us Drill Bit... they haven't seen fit to fix that issue yet, nor has anyone else. Another thing is that not everybody has the budget for two Titans in a year (or doesn't want to sacrifice other collecting to get two Titans) and he's had some notable competition: Black Zarak in 2022, and Nemesis in 2023.o.supreme wrote:Cybertron Metroplex was a general retail release, so naturally more units were made than for a selects release. That said... Either Cyberton Metroplex is not as popular as some may claim (considering he is still clearance at 50% off nearly 2 years after his release, no other Titan has done that, aside from Trypticon, which was more of a distribution issue than anything else), or there just aren't as many TF Cybertron fans voting with their wallets, or in general.
As Sabrblade has pointed out, he's only actually better movement-wise with an upgrade kit. Out of the box? His front treads don't rotate like on the original. The inner arms have shoulder rotation, but only 90 degrees because of course the treads and the panels get in the way. So with that lack of shoulder rotation, his movement I'd argue is WORSE overall.#1 Signal Lancer fan wrote:Man, Legacy Armada Megatron looks great. The original Armada Megatron was my first Transformer and I remember it very fondly, but this one seems to blow it out of the water in terms of movement. I haven't bought a Transformers figure in many years, but this Megatron and the titan Tidal Wave really have me considering it.
They really freaking did. The lack of full shoulder rotation is completely and totally inexcusable. With the fundamental tradeoff of the figure being giving up gimmicks for articulation... there is absolutely no excuse for frakking up a fundamental basic area of articulation like that - especially when it's one the original version did have. If not for there being inexpensive fix kits, he'd have gone right the hell back to Target the same day I got him and been my pick worst overall figure of 2023. The kits and the ease of freeing the turret salvage him enough that the shelf-clogging Putzwing restock nobody asked for gets the spot instead.D-Maximal_Primal wrote:That Armada Megatron brings me nothing but disappointment. I need that upgrade kit though. They really did neuter him bad
But if you live in the US you better find some place other than eBay to order it from. I wound up getting a Chinese-made alternative (which I'm still working on getting tightened) because for the past 2? 3? years eBay has for some reason been setting completely unreasonable international shipping charges for US purchases from UK merchant accounts. Where'd you get your SamMakesToys kit from?Sabrblade wrote:Luckily, the kit is a measly 10 bucks.
Except Cyberverse Shadow Striker has nothing to do with her Universe namesake, so there was no reason to try and shoehorn a Side Burn pretool into her that made her look nothing like her Cyberverse self in robot mode from the neck down, especially since Cyberverse Shadow Striker's cartoon model was already blocky like the G1 aesthetic.ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:It's not so baffling if you look at her as a twofer homage... and as an obvious pretool of Side Burn.Sabrblade wrote:(and, bafflingly, Cyberverse Shadow Striker) that they really G1-ified
You'd be surprised how many adults in this fandom have never watched Masterforce, especially when you consider how many kids who grew up on the first live-action movies, Animated, and Prime are either in or nearing adulthood right now. Prime alone started airing about 14 years ago, so those who saw it in their preteens or early teens are now at least in their Twenties. Not to mention all the folks who refuse to watch anything with only subtitles. Not everyone in this fandom is into hardcore anime.ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Mmm... I wouldn't say Black Zarak is niche. At least not to adult collectors. Masterforce is relatively popular,
Apparently, it was for the sake of cartoon-accuracy, since his shoulder treads tended to always stay vertical no matter what directions his arms moved and stretched in the show.ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:They really freaking did. The lack of full shoulder rotation is completely and totally inexcusable. With the fundamental tradeoff of the figure being giving up gimmicks for articulation... there is absolutely no excuse for frakking up a fundamental basic area of articulation like that - especially when it's one the original version did have.
Not the first time Hasbro's altered the original function of an aspect of an existing design in an attempt to prevent Penis Mode.ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Which brings me to: then there's the idiotic blocking of the turret from being able to rotate 360 degrees (luckily, it's not too hard to open up the turret and cut off the offending tumor of plastic),
This one goes out not strictly to you, Zelda, but to everyone who's brought this up. I personally am fine with Legacy Armada Megatron nixing most of the original toy's gimmicks because, IMHO, most of those original gimmicks were either pointless at best or ludicrous at worst.ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:And of course, losing those gimmicks is a definite bummer
From Sam himself at TFCon Orlando 2023. He was there in person and was selling kits to those who wanted them. Luckily for me he accepted PayPal since it was at a point when I had run out of cash to spend.ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:[Where'd you get your SamMakesToys kit from?
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
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