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-Kanrabat- wrote:I don't get it.

I see that, so let me try to explain further. Transformers as a franchise has existed for (going on) 37 years now.

When I use the term "The Transformers", I am referring to the Original series from 84-91.


If I want to talk about any other era- G2, Beast Wars, Armada etc... I'll use that prefix. But YES they are ALL Transformers.

I just use "The Transformers" in lieu of "G1" because I personally find that term to be lazy, and I find "Geewun" to be offensive and hurtful, it is like a curse word to me, so I'll never use it, except in this case to explain why I don't use it. I'd actually appreciate it if others refrained as well, but I understand I cannot dictate how others write and feel.

You take that WAYYYYY too personally. Saying "The Transformers" and expecting people to instantly understand "G1" is ludicrous. The term is firmly implemented into the fandom so you cannot expect others to understand YOUR perceptive, your "personal reality". So if you want to be understood, just use the generally accepted terms. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

There's also the fact that ALL the Transformers series and universes were someone's "true" Transformers and were their own FIRST. Yes, even (and ironically) the Bayformers where the "true" Transformers for a whole generation. Those kids must have found it weird to discover the "piles of boxes" that were the OG designs.

TlDr; everyone have their "true first" Transformers and it's fine. They just cannot impose it to others.

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By the way, I consider "G1" to be a way too general term because that's a whole freaking DECADE. Even G1 can be divided in at least 5 sublines:
1) "TRUE G1": Pre-Movie, where the Transformers were just "best of" multiple Japanese brands.
2) 1986 Movie: Where truly ORIGINAL "pure" Transformers appeared for the first time.
3) Post 1986: Toys that appeared after the movie.
4) Japan only: Toys that were for the Japanese continuity that remains only in Japan.
5) Pre-G2: Went until the early 1990's with many toys being just weird with odd colors notably the Action Masters and so many European exclusives.

So, personally, when someone use the "G1" term, I always wonder "WHICH G1?"

-Kanrabat- wrote:You take that WAYYYYY too personally. Saying "The Transformers" and expecting people to instantly understand "G1" is ludicrous. The term is firmly implemented into the fandom so you cannot expect others to understand YOUR perceptive, your "personal reality". So if you want to be understood, just use the generally accepted terms. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

There's also the fact that ALL the Transformers series and universes were someone's "true" Transformers and were their own FIRST. Yes, even (and ironically) the Bayformers where the "true" Transformers for a whole generation. Those kids must have found it weird to discover the "piles of boxes" that were the OG designs.

TlDr; everyone have their "true first" Transformers and it's fine. They just cannot impose it to others.

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By the way, I consider "G1" to be a way too general term because that's a whole freaking DECADE. Even G1 can be divided in at least 5 sublines:
1) "TRUE G1": Pre-Movie, where the Transformers were just "best of" multiple Japanese brands.
2) 1986 Movie: Where truly ORIGINAL "pure" Transformers appeared for the first time.
3) Post 1986: Toys that appeared after the movie.
4) Japan only: Toys that were for the Japanese continuity that remains only in Japan.
5) Pre-G2: Went until the early 1990's with many toys being just weird with odd colors notably the Action Masters and so many European exclusives.

So, personally, when someone use the "G1" term, I always wonder "WHICH G1?"

Don't forget that many can't agree on which fiction from G1 was the favourite was it the marvel comic series as it debuted in the US? Was it the UK only stories created to plug gaps created by running a monthly comic weekly? Was it the cartoon? Was it the toy bios? Or maybe it was all those ladybird tie in kids books which did their own thing (and killed starscream before it was popular)

Personally I don't think we should ever try and force one view of the Transformers as being right. Every series has been a gateway for someone.

ZeroWolf wrote:Personally I don't think we should ever try and force one view of the Transformers as being right. Every series has been a gateway for someone.

I never thought about the fiction, just the toys. But yeah, there's so much alternate universes that in a way, every single ones are "right" from their own point of view....


.....Even Kiss Players!

Please understand, I'm not delegitimizing anyone elses preference. They are ALL TRANSFORMERS I did not use the prefix "True" anywhere in my statement to elevate the original series above the others. The Transformers when I refer to it just happens to be everything, in every aspect of toys, print media, and animation, no matter from what part of the globe that occurred between 1984-1991. Anything retroactively added to part of that fiction or toys, would be based on, homaged to etc.

Kanrabat wrote:You take that WAYYYYY too personally. Saying "The Transformers" and expecting people to instantly understand "G1" is ludicrous. The term is firmly implemented into the fandom so you cannot expect others to understand YOUR perceptive, your "personal reality". So if you want to be understood, just use the generally accepted terms. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I apologize if some people don't understand, but if you look at the branding above, it's not that difficult. I'm not trying to change the fandom however, in the larger world there are many "generally accepted" ideas/terms that are in fact wrong. Now I'm not drawing that line for our fun little hobby here, however it is something that people should give more thought to I find, including myself.

FWIW, the "The" was dropped from the logo in 1989.

Figures I'd like to see carry over the current style of Generations output would be - Alpha Trion, Brawn, Gears, Windcharger, Tailgate, Swerve, Blitzwing, Octane, Cosmos and Beachcomber from 'The Transformers' (and anybody they decide to make not on my list, for that matter) - Vector Prime from Unicron Trilogy, Bulkhead from Prime/Aligned, and some of the Car Robots / Transformers 2000 versions - particularly the villains.

I too, wish for the next trilogy to be like Kingdom with a mix of "mini G1 MP" and modernisation of any other continuities.

Cosmos, the Insecticons, and many others needs their deluxe updates.

There's also the Japanese continuity that also need some love. Like Star Saber, Victory Leo, and Deathsaurus. Hell, even a Raiden boxset would be welcome.

sol magnus wrote:Transformers 2000

We don't use that kind of language.

Sabrblade wrote:

sol magnus wrote:Transformers 2000

We don't use that kind of language.

Well, I ain't calling it Robots in Disguise.

-Kanrabat- wrote:There's also the Japanese continuity that also need some love. Like Star Saber, Victory Leo, and Deathsaurus. Hell, even a Raiden boxset would be welcome.

Agreed on all ideas. News on the MP Raiden has been slow to come forth, but hopefully it will be comparable to what a Generations toy would be.

A new figure of him...



And them, would be nice.
To me, it will always be Car Robots. Because that's what it was called when I watched it, back in 2000. I never saw the Hasbro dub.

I have an unapologetic love for all things Car Robots. I have RiD01 on DVD, but yes, I'll always prefer to call it Car Robots, (Thank Goodness for Fansubs). Anyway, I'd totaly be up for a new JRX. Not sure about Gigatron though. I'm not sure how TT/Hasbro could update it. It's the only 10-former (*yes I know that is technically Devil Gigatron, but the toy is the same, just painted different, and can still pull off the additional 4 alt-modes), and while I wont say anything is impossible, I would say to modernize it would be challenging indeed.

Don't need a new figure of Rail Racer as much as I'd like to find a Rapid Run that does not go for obscene prices. I'd prefer an encore release over a new figure just so I can complete my R.I.D Autobots.

Why is Rail Racer suddenly in the $300 dollar range?

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

A new figure of him...



And them, would be nice.
To me, it will always be Car Robots. Because that's what it was called when I watched it, back in 2000. I never saw the Hasbro dub.

Transformers 2000: Car Robots

And it's one of the things we have in common.

sol magnus wrote:Transformers 2000: Car Robots

And it's one of the things we have in common.

Overcracker wrote:Don't need a new figure of Rail Racer as much as I'd like to find a Rapid Run that does not go for obscene prices. I'd prefer an encore release over a new figure just so I can complete my R.I.D Autobots.

Why is Rail Racer suddenly in the $300 dollar range?

o.supreme wrote:I have an unapologetic love for all things Car Robots. I have RiD01 on DVD, but yes, I'll always prefer to call it Car Robots, (Thank Goodness for Fansubs). Anyway, I'd totaly be up for a new JRX. Not sure about Gigatron though. I'm not sure how TT/Hasbro could update it. It's the only 10-former (*yes I know that is technically Devil Gigatron, but the toy is the same, just painted different, and can still pull off the additional 4 alt-modes), and while I wont say anything is impossible, I would say to modernize it would be challenging indeed.

Indeed. It is one of the more frustrating things I find with Hasbro and Takara. The combiners. Headmasters had two to three new ones (onscreen). Beast Wars had two. Car Robots had one. UT had at least three?

If they wanted to keep Titan Class going as a Legacy line for combiners. There is at least nine in the paragraph above that have largely been discarded since their inception. JRX/Rail Racer is one of the most kibble-free combiners they've ever produced. You'd think, like the non-brick status of Gigatron, they'd be proud of that. That these unique designs would have appeared in Generations or reissue lines since? But no

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Indeed. It is one of the more frustrating things I find with Hasbro and Takara. The combiners. Headmasters had two to three new ones (onscreen). Beast Wars had two. Car Robots had one. UT had at least three?

If they wanted to keep Titan Class going as a Legacy line for combiners. There is at least nine in the paragraph above that have largely been discarded since their inception. JRX/Rail Racer is one of the most kibble-free combiners they've ever produced. You'd think, like the non-brick status of Gigatron, they'd be proud of that. That these unique designs would have appeared in Generations or reissue lines since? But no

Headmasters had only one new Combiner (Raiden). Car Robots had 2 (JRX and Build King) *we already got Baldigus from UW, so YES Generations updates for all the rest of these would be amazing.

Also, although they were convention exclusives, I'm happy with the interpretations of Predacus (Dawn of Predacus), and Magnaboss from Botcon 2016. I wouldn't object to new proper versions of Magnaboss and Tripredacus, but Raiden, JRX, and Build King are definitely higher on my wish list. (along with about half-a-dozen other Combiners I've mentioned earlier in this thread)

Exactly. Yet all they ever do is a new Devastator, Predaking, Superion etc Yes, obviously, they are the popular ones. But within Transformers as a whole, there are more than enough combiners to keep a line of their own going strong for quite some time. Without repetition.


*As an aside, it must be a Mandela Effect thing. As I could have sworn I remembered Build King being in UT

Titan Class isn't right for combiners though, they hit it right with the method used in Combiner Wars. As to why they're possibly discontinuing the line? Sales, simple innit? However given the menasor rumours, we're going to be getting a modified Combiner system now anyway.

ZeroWolf wrote:Titan Class isn't right for combiners though

I agree with that. We discussed this before in that thread. I don't think every line has to go on forever and the Titan Class line could have been exclusive to City Bots and Super Robots (Omega Supreme, Ark etc). But if they wanted the Combiner Teams in their own line. They have more options than the safe half dozen popular names.

I agree. That is why I really held off on CW until it was clear, that they were going to make a vast majority of them, instead of just the top 5 or 6. To be fair, there have been almost 30 unique combiners released since 2015 until now, (including newly created ones) and yes I want that list to be complete across all Transformers Brands up through Car Robots (Some may disagree but I don't think we need re-do's yet of the *Maximus* Combiners from Energon, perhaps reissues, but don't need to remake them from the ground up).

I had to be vague with my combiner numbers regarding UT. As I tapped out of the show very early into Energon (when it first aired) and wasn't all that invested in following the toyline.

Takara did re-release Car Robots Convoy + Magnus (God Fire Convoy Set) in their Encore line a few years ago.(not sure if he's classified as a combiner though) But it seems it was not well received then. Probably due to the price tag, the matte color scheme instead of the OG chrome and the slew of issues it had beyond the ones already present in the original figure that carried over and many were unaware of.



Wonder if there's really a profitable market for re-issues if people are not willing to pay the prices Takara wants.

I'd be willing to drop 50 or 60 for Rapid Run if it was Encored, if only to complete my Autobots. He's the only guy I'm missing to complete the main autobot cast.

Regarding UT it all depends on what you Class as combiners. Do you count Armarda Prime, Jetfire and Overload as a combiner? What of the star Saber sword, the street racer minicon team etc etc. Energon had the similar problem of the Autobots being able to combine with each other (or themselves to make a powered up form).

Hasbro still has those pretooled Build Team heads for CW Devastator that they never used. That's just waiting to be released.

Overcracker wrote:Takara did re-release Car Robots Convoy + Magnus (God Fire Convoy Set) in their Encore line a few years ago.(not sure if he's classified as a combiner though) But it seems it was not well received then. Probably due to the price tag, the matte color scheme instead of the OG chrome and the slew of issues it had beyond the ones already present in the original figure that carried over and many were unaware of.

It was ill-received because of the widespread QC issues that set had. Faulty wiring in the electronics, misaligned parts, misprints on the packaging, it was a mess.