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Rodimus Prime wrote:but I don't think Breakdown's cut corners have to do with order of release.

See, I'm the opposite: since the final waves of each line/year are more often than not all retools, repaints, and repacks (with the occasional figures that get pulled forwards instead), I figured it was a sure bet that whichever Deluxe Stunticon got relegated to the 4th wave spot would be would be anything but a new mold. The only time that seemed to be in question was when we got the news of this wave going from "Breakdown + repacks" to "Breakdown + the first wave stuff for next year", but considering the rumors about Scraphook from today, it sounds like they took advantage of this wave's budget already before that shift.

o.supreme wrote:Also, why do the feet have 5mm ports? You can't put anything there in car mode. I guess you could have "foot thrust" blast effects in robot mode

90-something-percent of the Generations releases between WFC, SS86, and now Legacy all have these ports for (in some cases retroactive) Weaponizer/Modulator/Fossilizer compatibility.

Nemesis Primal wrote:

o.supreme wrote:Also, why do the feet have 5mm ports? You can't put anything there in car mode. I guess you could have "foot thrust" blast effects in robot mode

90-something-percent of the Generations releases between WFC, SS86, and now Legacy all have these ports for (in some cases retroactive) Weaponizer/Modulator/Fossilizer compatibility.

True, but Wild Rider, whom Breakdown is retooled from doesn't. It just seems odd one would have ports in the feet, and the other wouldn't.

Sabrblade wrote:Since when is it trying to be an 80s Lambo? Hasbro made both Earthrise Sunstreaker and Kingdom Sideswipe modern-day Lambos. They didn't even try to make either of them 80s Lambos, so why would they do so for Breakdown?

They were indeed modelled after 80's Lambos.

"...Kingdom Sideswipe is a retool of his Siege toy, transforming into an unlicensed approximation of a Lamborghini Countach LP500S..."

(Source: - https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Sideswipe_(G1)/toys )

"...Sunstreaker is a brand new mold (albeit sharing engineering with Wheeljack)[10] that converts from a robot into an unlicensed approximation of a Lamborghini Countach LP500S...

(Source: - https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Sunstreaker_(G1)/toys )

"...The Lamborghini Countach LP500 S, also known as the LP5000 S, arrived in 1982...Production would last until 1985, and the variant was replaced by the LP5000 Quattrovalvolve..."

(Source: - https://www.classic.com/m/lamborghini/countach/lp500-s/ )

My god, this is terrible.

He only gets one gun instead of two which doesn't really bug me that much but it's still weird and honestly kinda distracting that he's the only one not duel wielding.

The robot mode to me... Ehhh it's fine I guess. I would have preferred it to be a new mold, but it's not horrendous.

But that alt-mode... God, that alt-mode. I get that they can't make an exact Countach for bullshit legal reasons but the Sideswipe and Sunstreaker molds for Earthrise and Kingdom looked fine aside from the lack of spoiler, and people made add on kits with spoilers for them, but... I mean, with how many pieces they'd have to include to fix this alt-mode they may as well just make an entirely new figure.

And lastly the spoiler... Why is it one piece? Why not just two, and leave them plugged into the legs? Or have them part of the mold of the legs since they remolded that section of the alt-mode anyway?

I mean, I'm still gonna be getting it just to complete the set but ugh... I really hope a third party company makes their own Breakdown to go with them or either a third party company or Hastak themselves make a TFP Breakdown which is compatible with these guys

o.supreme wrote:

Nemesis Primal wrote:

o.supreme wrote:Also, why do the feet have 5mm ports? You can't put anything there in car mode. I guess you could have "foot thrust" blast effects in robot mode

90-something-percent of the Generations releases between WFC, SS86, and now Legacy all have these ports for (in some cases retroactive) Weaponizer/Modulator/Fossilizer compatibility.

True, but Wild Rider, whom Breakdown is retooled from doesn't. It just seems odd one would have ports in the feet, and the other wouldn't.

OH, huh, yeah that's odd. Maybe it's part of how Breakdown specifically connects to Motormaster so you can't swap his place with Wildrider, seeing as how both arms have different connections? Or can someone with Motormaster confirm that both Menasor legs have identical connections for the Deluxes?

But hey regardless of reasoning, this means Breakdown has even more retooling than we already thought!

primalxconvoy wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Since when is it trying to be an 80s Lambo? Hasbro made both Earthrise Sunstreaker and Kingdom Sideswipe modern-day Lambos. They didn't even try to make either of them 80s Lambos, so why would they do so for Breakdown?

They were indeed modelled after 80's Lambos.

"...Kingdom Sideswipe is a retool of his Siege toy, transforming into an unlicensed approximation of a Lamborghini Countach LP500S..."

(Source: - https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Sideswipe_(G1)/toys )

"...Sunstreaker is a brand new mold (albeit sharing engineering with Wheeljack)[10] that converts from a robot into an unlicensed approximation of a Lamborghini Countach LP500S...

(Source: - https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Sunstreaker_(G1)/toys )

That is certainly what someone wrote on those wiki pages, but the actual Hasbro product descriptions just refer to them as being "sportscar mode" and "classic G1 sportscar mode", respectively. Nowhere has "they turn into a Lambo of this exact make" actually been said by HasTak.

primalxconvoy wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Since when is it trying to be an 80s Lambo? Hasbro made both Earthrise Sunstreaker and Kingdom Sideswipe modern-day Lambos. They didn't even try to make either of them 80s Lambos, so why would they do so for Breakdown?

They were indeed modelled after 80's Lambos.

"...Kingdom Sideswipe is a retool of his Siege toy, transforming into an unlicensed approximation of a Lamborghini Countach LP500S..."

(Source: - https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Sideswipe_(G1)/toys )

"...Sunstreaker is a brand new mold (albeit sharing engineering with Wheeljack)[10] that converts from a robot into an unlicensed approximation of a Lamborghini Countach LP500S...

(Source: - https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Sunstreaker_(G1)/toys )

That is certainly what someone wrote on those wiki pages, but the actual Hasbro product descriptions just refer to them as being "sportscar mode" and "classic G1 sportscar mode", respectively. Nowhere has "they turn into a Lambo of this exact make" actually been said by HasTak.[/quote]


They don't say "Turns into a lambo of this exact make" because then they'd get sued, and the fact that it says "classic G1 sportscar mode" should also clue you in to the fact that it's supposed to be the same as his G1 car mode, or as close as they can get.

They were absolutely intended to be lamborghini countach's.

Nemesis Primal wrote: That is certainly what someone wrote on those wiki pages, but the actual Hasbro product descriptions just refer to them as being "sportscar mode" and "classic G1 sportscar mode", respectively. Nowhere has "they turn into a Lambo of this exact make" actually been said by HasTak.

And the classic G1 sportscars for those characters' toys were 80's Lambos. They are in indeed approximations of 80's Lambos, just as the recent Jazz, Wheeljack et al are approximations of the other 80's* cars that were in G1.

The original Diaclone releases are also officially designated as the official Lamborghini car from the 80's.

https://www.transformerland.com/wiki/to ... -1-/64934/

The new versions are based upon the old versions, which were 80's Lambos, which is why they look like 80's Lambos. The new wave of Stunticons also closely like the original G1 toys, which in turn, looked closely like real 70's/80's vehicles (*or with Bumblebee and/or possibly be some other designs from a much earlier period). That's why this latest version of the last Stunticon sticks out like a sore thumb.

It's not rocket science.

I see this debate is still going strong. This is why I mentioned the other day about tempering expectations.

Again, I can't see Takara ot Hasbro doing another Breakdown for a good few years yer (this one isn’t even out yet!)

A question, how many of you wouldn't have bought any stunticons at all if you knew in advance that Breakdown would be a retool?

ZeroWolf wrote:A question, how many of you wouldn't have bought any stunticons at all if you knew in advance that Breakdown would be a retool?

I'm not bothering because of Menasor. Breakdown is just par for the course.

ZeroWolf wrote:I see this debate is still going strong. This is why I mentioned the other day about tempering expectations.

Again, I can't see Takara ot Hasbro doing another Breakdown for a good few years yer (this one isn’t even out yet!)

A question, how many of you wouldn't have bought any stunticons at all if you knew in advance that Breakdown would be a retool?

I was contemplating that myself. As I've got the Japanese Unite version, with some add-on kits, plus the extra (2?) American team members, it's more than enough for me. I'm not always a fan of toon-accurate G1 figures but the new versions are also a little bit more accurate to the G1 toys, so that was the deal-breaker for me. I probably wouldn't have bothered if I had known about this latest, p*ss-poor version, if I'm honest. However, like I've said, I'll reserve my judgement fully when I see official pics of the final product.

primalxconvoy wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:I see this debate is still going strong. This is why I mentioned the other day about tempering expectations.

Again, I can't see Takara ot Hasbro doing another Breakdown for a good few years yer (this one isn’t even out yet!)

A question, how many of you wouldn't have bought any stunticons at all if you knew in advance that Breakdown would be a retool?

I was contemplating that myself. As I've got the Japanese Unite version, with some add-on kits, plus the extra (2?) American team members, it's more than enough for me. I'm not always a fan of toon-accurate G1 figures but the new versions are also a little bit more accurate to the G1 toys, so that was the deal-breaker for me. I probably wouldn't have bothered if I had known about this latest, p*ss-poor version, if I'm honest. However, like I've said, I'll reserve my judgement fully when I see official pics of the final product.

All being well, we'll probably get official images tomorrow at Pulsecon (I bet the live chat is going to be spicy looking at the reactions)

I guess people really that cross about Breakdown cam replace him with Shadowstrip.

Dr. Caelus wrote:I guess people really that cross about Breakdown cam replace him with Shadowstrip.

Not really, Shadowstrip only works as a replacement for Drag strip.

ZeroWolf wrote:All being well, we'll probably get official images tomorrow at Pulsecon (I bet the live chat is going to be spicy looking at the reactions)

That's good to hear. However, as for "spicy chat", the Allspark's similar thread to this discussion here (although basically echoing the sentiments here) isn't exactly a maelstrom of frothing fanbois spitting vitriol at each other. Thus, I can only infer that mention of such, enthusiastic debate is mainly a certain, calendar-of-yesteryear related TF website that's as mad as a bag of rats on fire right now? If I remember rightly, the "official toys" threads there usually housed the greatest amounts of our community's, ahem, "finest"...

Dr. Caelus wrote:I guess people really that cross about Breakdown cam replace him with Shadowstrip.

I honestly had no idea people cared that much about some comparatively minor differences between cars. Breakdown being a retool has somehow ruined Menasor for poeple? I am legit shocked by all the negative reactions.

I am just fine with him. He looks good, I like the car mode, and the robot mode is good.

Besides, 99% of people will just slap him on as a calf to Menasor, so you won't even see him anyways.

I like him, he looks good, he will serve his calf purposes, and Menasor will be great.

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So on a different note, I did get my Wildrider and Tarantulas last night.

Tarantulas is the best figure from the wave to me. I love his color scheme and roundiness so much, he looks great! The head sculpt is really nice, and his spider mode is nice and brawny. I love it!

Wildrider is solid. I like his robot mode, though my hips are a bit tight and don't like an A-stance. Car mode colors are real nice, and he serves his calf purposes. He looks good, and is pretty solid. Not spectacular (except the colors), but solid.

He's also my first ever G1 Wildrider. almost 1,600 bots, and he's the first G1 Wildrider. Animated is the only other Wildrider I own.

Tracytron54321 wrote:He only gets one gun instead of two which doesn't really bug me that much but it's still weird and honestly kinda distracting that he's the only one not duel wielding.

He does come with 2 Guns. It's just that because of the detachable spoiler, he now has 3 "accessories" (yay this is what we always wanted right, more accessories ) but no practical way to utilize them all at once, at least as far as we know for the moment.

o.supreme wrote:

Tracytron54321 wrote:He only gets one gun instead of two which doesn't really bug me that much but it's still weird and honestly kinda distracting that he's the only one not duel wielding.

He does come with 2 Guns. It's just that because of the detachable spoiler, he now has 3 "accessories" (yay this is what we always wanted right, more accessories ) but no practical way to utilize them all at once, at least as far as we know for the moment.

Guy who posted the review said he only came with 1, he grabbed a 2nd figure to get a 2nd gun

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

o.supreme wrote:

Tracytron54321 wrote:He only gets one gun instead of two which doesn't really bug me that much but it's still weird and honestly kinda distracting that he's the only one not duel wielding.

He does come with 2 Guns. It's just that because of the detachable spoiler, he now has 3 "accessories" (yay this is what we always wanted right, more accessories ) but no practical way to utilize them all at once, at least as far as we know for the moment.

Guy who posted the review said he only came with 1, he grabbed a 2nd figure to get a 2nd gun

Yeah and PvP and chefatron dont show the boxes because “they’re damaged”


How about we don’t take the word of people who get their stuff through questionable means before they’re even announced, yes?

He comes with two to emulate the old double canon in car mode.

A question was asked if Hasbro intentionally made the retooled figure be the final release and while I see how one could think that, it doesn't jive with the causality of how these toys are made.

Menasor was designed as a complete figure, so each component was designed at a similar time. Breakdown and Wildrider sharing the same parts was decided before anything went into production. So neither one is a retool of the other, they are simply 2 figures which share parts. That distinction could be crucial because through this lens we can see how the alt mode was not designed to be specifically a ferrari or a lambo but simply a sports car that could accomodate either make in a generalized fashion.

Does Wildrider look more like a ferari than Breakdown looks like a lambo? That's my question.

Because if they are both generic enough, then technically Wildrider is the first retool they showed us.

william-james88 wrote:A question was asked if Hasbro intentionally made the retooled figure be the final release and while I see how one could think that, it doesn't jive with the causality of how these toys are made.

Menasor was designed as a complete figure, so each component was designed at a similar time. Breakdown and Wildrider sharing the same parts was decided before anything went into production. So neither one is a retool of the other, they are simply 2 figures which share parts. That distinction could be crucial because through this lens we can see how the alt mode was not designed to be specifically a ferrari or a lambo but simply a sports car that could accomodate either make in a generalized fashion.

Does Wildrider look more like a ferari than Breakdown looks like a lambo? That's my question.

Because if they are both generic enough, then technically Wildrider is the first retool they showed us.

He looks like breakdown. People want a car go buy a toy car to put on a shelf to collect dust or keep your combiner wars breakdown and put it next to them. You want a limb he’s right there. You want a a breakdown in robot mode there it is. It’s not like this should truly be shocker. Menasor has unique connectors on each arm while he has the same connectors on each leg.

It’s like I said yesterday. Every new figure is the worst figure ever once it’s shown…until the next figure is revealed. People got over combiner wars Menasor, arguably the worst combiner in that line after it was done and third parties tricked you into spending the same amount on upgrades as all 5 figures, and they’re gonna do it again with this and already are, they’ll get over this and move on to the next toy they hate and ruins their lives for 5 minutes

Next song

o.supreme wrote:

This photo does illustrate one thing, if a person was one who likes to display their TF's in alt mode it's very obvious that car is not a Lambo. So if I was one of those people I'd certainly prefer the front to be more accurate than anything else due to how it would be displayed.

However, as most people do display them in bot mode or as Menasor it's probably a very minor issue to the general collector as well as any other consumer. I agree there does seem to be a lot of attention being paid to a somewhat very minor character and in reality I'd prefer the reuse here on Breakdown over say a more popular/main character such as Hound or Cosmos for example. I'm really glad they didn't just reuse Origins Bee.

I do feel for those who would have preferred a dedicated mold because I do understand every character has it's core fans despite them possibly being lower tier character or maybe not as popular to everyone as others.

Personally speaking the combining into Menasor wasn't a driving force behind me getting any of the Stunticons, in fact I never event intended o getting them all. My only interest was Motormaster and Wildrider because they were my to favorites on the show, only when they showed Deadend and seeing how cool he was did I contemplate adding him to my collection. Still have no intention on buying Dragstrip or Breakdown TBH.

Till-all-R1 wrote:

o.supreme wrote:

This photo does illustrate one thing, if a person was one who likes to display their TF's in alt mode it's very obvious that car is not a Lambo. So if I was one of those people I'd certainly prefer the front to be more accurate than anything else due to how it would be displayed.

However, as most people do display them in bot mode or as Menasor it's probably a very minor issue to the general collector as well as any other consumer. I agree there does seem to be a lot of attention being paid to a somewhat very minor character and in reality I'd prefer the reuse here on Breakdown over say a more popular/main character such as Hound or Cosmos for example. I'm really glad they didn't just reuse Origins Bee.

I do feel for those who would have preferred a dedicated mold because I do understand every character has it's core fans despite them possibly being lower tier character or maybe not as popular to everyone as others.

Personally speaking the combining into Menasor wasn't a driving force behind me getting any of the Stunticons, in fact I never event intended o getting them all. My only interest was Motormaster and Wildrider because they were my to favorites on the show, only when they showed Deadend and seeing how cool he was did I contemplate adding him to my collection. Still have no intention on buying Dragstrip or Breakdown TBH.

Spoiler(no pun intended) alert: it was never going to be a Lamborghini because it wouldn’t have been a licensed product so if anything it would have been a vehicle modified to avoid trademark like they are are and this from middle to the rear looks like a Lamborghini while the front doesn’t. Exactly what it would have been regardless. A modified car to avoid it. People complain it doesn’t look like sideswipe and sunstreaker yet I remember people complained 2 years ago that sunstreaker “didn’t look like a Lamborghini”

It’s laughable. It’s just laughable now

There's also the thought of, say Breakdown wasn't in the wave 4 tail-end spot so he could be a new mold, who would take that retool spot instead?
-The whole point of this hypothetical would be to get 4 new mold Stunticons, so they're out as options
-Knock Out and Crankcase are already retools, swapping a retool for a retool wouldn't magically give one of them a bigger budget
-Skids has to stay a new mold for Crankcase to exist
-Prime Arcee and Kickback can't be retools of anything from WFC or SS86 before now due to their alt modes, so they have to be new molds to exist

Would people have rather had Tarantulas be a Blackarachnia retool in exchange for Breakdown not being a Wildrider retool? How about Pointblank being a retool of a random WFC car mold that looks nothing like him and wouldn't include the Targetmaster? Elita being an Arcee retool again, which would also screw over Minerva? Maybe I'm just biased since I'm not getting the Stunticons, but what we got seems like the lesser of these potential evils to me.

primalxconvoy wrote:

Nemesis Primal wrote: That is certainly what someone wrote on those wiki pages, but the actual Hasbro product descriptions just refer to them as being "sportscar mode" and "classic G1 sportscar mode", respectively. Nowhere has "they turn into a Lambo of this exact make" actually been said by HasTak.

And the classic G1 sportscars for those characters' toys were 80's Lambos. They are in indeed approximations of 80's Lambos, just as the recent Jazz, Wheeljack et al are approximations of the other 80's* cars that were in G1.

The original Diaclone releases are also officially designated as the official Lamborghini car from the 80's.

https://www.transformerland.com/wiki/to ... -1-/64934/

The new versions are based upon the old versions, which were 80's Lambos, which is why they look like 80's Lambos. The new wave of Stunticons also closely like the original G1 toys, which in turn, looked closely like real 70's/80's vehicles (*or with Bumblebee and/or possibly be some other designs from a much earlier period). That's why this latest version of the last Stunticon sticks out like a sore thumb.

It's not rocket science.

If that's how you want to interpret what Hasbro said, then sure. I'm more willing to go with that logic than "the wiki said it so it must be true", since anyone could make an account and change the wiki.

Randomhero wrote:Menasor has unique connectors on each arm while he has the same connectors on each leg.

There's the answer from my inquiry last night, so I guess Breakdown does just only have the ports in his feet because...they felt like retooling the feet to give them to him. Maybe Wildrider was also supposed to have them and something got screwed up, who knows.

william-james88 wrote:A question was asked if Hasbro intentionally made the retooled figure be the final release and while I see how one could think that, it doesn't jive with the causality of how these toys are made.

Menasor was designed as a complete figure, so each component was designed at a similar time. Breakdown and Wildrider sharing the same parts was decided before anything went into production. So neither one is a retool of the other, they are simply 2 figures which share parts. That distinction could be crucial because through this lens we can see how the alt mode was not designed to be specifically a ferrari or a lambo but simply a sports car that could accomodate either make in a generalized fashion.

Does Wildrider look more like a ferari than Breakdown looks like a lambo? That's my question.

Because if they are both generic enough, then technically Wildrider is the first retool they showed us.

I'm going to split hairs with you on this one.

I agree that neither is 100% "correct" in terms of resembling his G1 self. However, if you look at the 2, IMO the immediate conclusion is that Wildrider looks more accurate than Breakdown, even with the latter's spoiler. Therefore I make the conclusion that when the mold was created, it favored Wildrider.

That would mean that even though they were on the design phase at the same time, it was Wildrider who got looked at first, and since they look very similar, Breakdown is the one who is more inaccurate.

Calling him a retool wouldn't be exactly correct, if he had gotten a proper Lamborghini front, then he could be considered a retool of Wildrider, since it was the Wildrider design (by virtue of it being closer to an accurate Wildrider) that was the starting point for Breakdown.

My opinion only, of course.

For what it's worth, I think the mold looks better in Breakdown colors anyway.

Also, somewhat related, Amazon announced another Prime Day for October 11th. I wonder if I could score a Motormaster at a discount then...?

Man, I'm so glad I don't give a **** about things like this. Breakdown looks nice, I'm excited to get a complete Menasor