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Jelze Bunnycat wrote:

Tracytron54321 wrote:

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:Some points about the combining Core Class Dinobots: Slug, a Triceratops and Sludge, a Brontosaurus, form the torso, and the whole will have 6 members. Who else did that? This guy:


Transformers Victory Dinoking Gallery

What are they? I haven't seen them before

That's Dinoking, a Japan-only redeco of Monstructor:


Transformers G1 1989 Monstructor Gallery

They were released in 1989, well after the cartoon ended in the US.

Monstructor is the combined form of the Pretender Monsters. As per their name, they changed into "monsters" and as Pretenders they had monstrous shells, made of rubbery plastic (that didn't age well). In Japan their shells were replaced with Dinosaur ones, matching the original Dinobots plus a new genus for the sixth member.

The layout for those wondering:

Triceratops & Brontosaurus (Kakuryu & Rairyu): Torso
Pteranodon & Ankylosaurus (Yokuryu & Gairyu): Arms
Tyrannosaurus & Stegosaurus (Goryu & Doryu): Legs

It would be really nice if they remembered the latter series combiners. Considering the Legacy line has super jumped from UT to IDW...

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:

Tracytron54321 wrote:

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:Some points about the combining Core Class Dinobots: Slug, a Triceratops and Sludge, a Brontosaurus, form the torso, and the whole will have 6 members. Who else did that? This guy:


Transformers Victory Dinoking Gallery

What are they? I haven't seen them before

That's Dinoking, a Japan-only redeco of Monstructor:


Transformers G1 1989 Monstructor Gallery

They were released in 1989, well after the cartoon ended in the US.

Monstructor is the combined form of the Pretender Monsters. As per their name, they changed into "monsters" and as Pretenders they had monstrous shells, made of rubbery plastic (that didn't age well). In Japan their shells were replaced with Dinosaur ones, matching the original Dinobots plus a new genus for the sixth member.

The layout for those wondering:

Triceratops & Brontosaurus (Kakuryu & Rairyu): Torso
Pteranodon & Ankylosaurus (Yokuryu & Gairyu): Arms
Tyrannosaurus & Stegosaurus (Goryu & Doryu): Legs

Now you've got me excited for an updated Monstructor/Dinoking.

Brokebot wrote:...While I do have some issues with CW Menasor, at least he doesn't remind me of some cheap, Chinese bootleg knock-off.

Hey, us KO fans have high standards, you know!

SpaceEagle wrote:Now you've got me excited for an updated Monstructor/Dinoking.

That makes two of us.

primalxconvoy wrote:

Brokebot wrote:...While I do have some issues with CW Menasor, at least he doesn't remind me of some cheap, Chinese bootleg knock-off.

Hey, us KO fans have high standards, you know!

Point taken.

AcademyofDrX wrote:Why do they keep adding fun play features like combination when all we want is toys to transform once and then put on a shelf or stick in a tote

It's an incentive to buy them all. Core Class has now become the main price point for parents and kids I think, so it's one of those "collect them all!" type of thing.

Razorbeast88 wrote:Tarn looking ugly in the poster tbh

That's cause there more to it than just being Tarn's face, as they said in the feed.

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Needlenose: about damn time, a bit disappointed in how simple he looks, but still happy he is here.

Yeah, that's the sacrifice for including 2 targetmasters. Gen Scoop was also very very simple (as were his targetmasters).

ZeroWolf wrote:I would be surprised if Armada prime isn't the commander class.

We'll see. I know Hasbro prefers having prime in the leader class slot since that makes him more visible at retail to kids and parents.

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:

Razorbeast88 wrote:So no leader class reveal for legacy evolution then?

Nope, we will be waiting a bit longer for that

Hopefully, since there's no other representation for this series announced....

We already know all the leaders being released next year in Legacy Evolution. They are:

Prime Skyquake
Prime Dreadwing
Armada Megs
And repacks of Blitxwing, Laser OP and TM2 Megs.

As for my personal thoughts:

LOVE Tarn. He is everything I wanted. I have not felt this excited about TF toys for a long time. And really happy with Scraphook. Not only is it a new character and new design but it is a new type of transformer/transformation.

For Leo Prime, really like the bot mode but I really don't like that Lion face. I get that they wanted to keep the realistic beast mode bit but:
a) He isn't part of the same collection/set as the other Beast Wars guys, so there's no need for a unified aesthetic
b) Similarly, he isn't based on a CG model which was "trying" to be realistic, he's a 2d hand drawn character
c) There are 2 different lion faces on that show, a robotic one and a cartoony one, and they went with neither
d) As a big fan of Full metal Alchemist, that lion face is giving me flashbacks I would rather NOT HAVE!

Brokebot wrote:

Burn wrote:The new look for Menasor is a wonderful change, vastly superior in virtually every way to Combiner Wars Menasor, but people are getting hung up over Breakdown?

eh ... like you said, they look good regardless.

Um, . . . no.

Motormaster, absolutely. Menasor is "cartoon accurate" to some of the laziest, slipshod animation the 80's had to offer. He's no more a combiner than a cheerleading squad climbing on each other's shoulders to make a pyramid. The cars are totally irrelevant and unnecessary to the "combined" form. They're just hangers-on. It barely qualifies as a half-assed attempt. While I do have some issues with CW Menasor, at least he doesn't remind me of some cheap, Chinese bootleg knock-off.

I'll be honest I really, really, really don't like 'toon Menasor as it was born out of a very bad misinterpretation of how the G1 toys combined, but if people like it they like it.
That being said I do believe OP was probably referring to stability, since CW Menasor's hips and waist section weren't the best on top of having no ankle tilts to compensate the large hip ratchet detents. (Not without getting unofficial feet upgrades, unlike Legacy's Menasor that has them from the get go.) As well as CW Menasor having shoulders that would frequently untab if the arm was rotated forward due to the strong ratchets of the limbs.

I still do largely prefer CW Menasor over Legacy Menasor, mainly due to better resembling the G1 toy for the most part and the limb bots actually forming limbs. (The issues mentioned above haven't affected my set that much thankfully ) But, yeah, I can see why OP meant Legacy Menasor is superior over CW Menasor. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, however!

Tons of great stuff there. I especially like Tarn and Leo Prime.

william-james88 wrote:

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Hopefully, since there's no other representation for this series announced....

We already know all the leaders being released next year in Legacy Evolution. They are:

Prime Skyquake
Prime Dreadwing
Armada Megs
And repacks of Blitzwing, Laser OP and TM2 Megs.

william-james88 wrote:d) As a big fan of Full metal Alchemist, that lion face is giving me flashbacks I would rather NOT HAVE!

DAMN IT, WILL! DON'T RUIN THIS FOR ME!!

Emerje

Yes I'm kidding if it isn't obvious to everyone.

bluecatcinema wrote:Tons of great stuff there. I especially like Tarn and Leo Prime.

Me too. I can't wait for the Galvo-Leo-Prime and Black Leo Prime repaints too! Slightly "wonky" lion face aside, I'm glad I passed on the MP releases as I'm more excited for the Legacy version.

Emerje wrote:

william-james88 wrote:d) As a big fan of Full metal Alchemist, that lion face is giving me flashbacks I would rather NOT HAVE!

DAMN IT, WILL! DON'T RUIN THIS FOR ME!!

Emerje

Yes I'm kidding if it isn't obvious to everyone.

Oh dear, I can see the resemblance now....

Alright, went into this expecting like 4 buys from Wave 1, came out planning on getting all of Wave 1 I really hope that the sorta muscle car looking Junkion gets repainted into Lockdown cause this gimmick is MADE for him. Someone pointed out the Animated Space Bridge in the background of the poster which says to me the Prowl is probably Animated's version.

In regards to the combining Dinobots, I wasn't gonna get any of the Core Dinobots, but knowing they combine has gotten me in on them. Can't help it, I like combining Dinobots

Tarn looks amazing, as does Lio Convoy, though that lion face looks bad.

Based off rumors, I'm going with the titan is the Nemesis with the Decepticon face. Commander should be Armada Prime, especially with the Laser Prime repack serving as the affordable Prime for the line. Maybe we'll see Overload and Jetfire next year?

SpaceEagle wrote:

Emerje wrote:

william-james88 wrote:d) As a big fan of Full metal Alchemist, that lion face is giving me flashbacks I would rather NOT HAVE!

DAMN IT, WILL! DON'T RUIN THIS FOR ME!!

Emerje

Yes I'm kidding if it isn't obvious to everyone.

Oh dear, I can see the resemblance now....

"...Daddy?"

Sentinel_Primal wrote: as does Lio Convoy, though that lion face looks bad.

Weird that it looks closer to the BW Prowl figure.

william-james88 wrote:

Razorbeast88 wrote:Tarn looking ugly in the poster tbh

That's cause there more to it than just being Tarn's face, as they said in the feed.

Saw that later on, yeah. Someone here mentioned combiner and someone else mentioned quintesson, looking more quintesson I think? Quintarnson? Quarnteson? Tarnteson? Interesting. I wonder if face plate will be removable

I know Tran is the one most people well freak out about, but Hotshot, Lio Convoy and Scraphook are the winners to me.

Great reveals. I love the variety.

Personally, I'll most likely get Tarn and Needlenose only. I'm not much for core class (not bad, just not my taste) and I've always been of the opinion that jets should always be at least voyager sized. If Needlenose had been voyager, I guarantee you that underside kibble wouldn't be there.

I'm kind of split on Tarn, because he's a good looking piece, but realistically, are we going to get the rest of the DJD? Maybe only if their alt modes are changed to conventional vehicles. Or maybe it they come in Selects. What's the point of having only Tarn and not the rest?

Hotshot doesn't look bad, but I already have the universe figure and that's pretty good. As for Scraphook, I like it. Looks good in both modes and has potential. Energon Landmine, anyone?

Scraphook makes me think of a junkion impactor

Titan Nemesis tarn? Interestinggg

Sabrblade wrote:

SpaceEagle wrote:

Emerje wrote:

william-james88 wrote:d) As a big fan of Full metal Alchemist, that lion face is giving me flashbacks I would rather NOT HAVE!

DAMN IT, WILL! DON'T RUIN THIS FOR ME!!

Emerje

Yes I'm kidding if it isn't obvious to everyone.

Oh dear, I can see the resemblance now....

"...Daddy?"

Emerje

buying everything starting with scraphook. the others are an easy pass.

Sabrblade wrote:

SpaceEagle wrote:

Emerje wrote:

william-james88 wrote:d) As a big fan of Full metal Alchemist, that lion face is giving me flashbacks I would rather NOT HAVE!

DAMN IT, WILL! DON'T RUIN THIS FOR ME!!

Emerje

Yes I'm kidding if it isn't obvious to everyone.

Oh dear, I can see the resemblance now....

"...Daddy?"

I don't mind if you kid or not Emerje, I sure am not and if anyone wants to join me in my misery/trauma, you're all welcome!

Seriously, still not over it that whole bit with Nina and Alexander, and it's hard to explain. It's a mix of 2 things.

Everyone here who knows nothing of FMA...

griftimus prime wrote:buying everything starting with scraphook. the others are an easy pass.

Emerje

Rodimus Prime wrote: As for Scraphook, I like it. Looks good in both modes and has potential. Energon Landmine, anyone?

I would have guessed you'd mention another toy from Energon, given your Seibertron name