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Transformers Masterpiece Beast Wars Cheetor Discussion

Postby fenrir72 » Sat May 07, 2016 8:56 am

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A user kurosabi has reported from Transformers Fest 2016 this possible scoop. More reveals this June 2016

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Cites is an error. It should be Chetas.......aka Cheetor.

So, if MP Beast Convoy sells good, he may be the next MP. Too bad we get no Megs yet :(
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RUMOR: TakaraTomy Transformers Masterpiece Chetas/Cheetor - Next Beast Wars MP

Postby shajaki » Sat May 07, 2016 10:42 am

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Thanks to Seibertronians Fenrir72 and ScottyP for notifying us about the next (possible) Beast Wars Masterpiece figure: Cheetor! While it seems all but confirmed by Twitter user くろさび@chromless, it should still be taken with a grain of salt until there is more to report. What's being said however, is at a Q&A Beast Wars Panel at Transfest2016 that Cheetor is to be next and that more info will be coming to us June. It might surprise folks that Megatron is not following Optimus Primal, but this could be a sign that Beast Wars may become a mainstay in the Masterpiece line. See the Tweet image and Panel below, and stay tuned to Seibertron.com: home for the best Galleries and Conversation around!

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Re: Rumor: Chetas/Cheetor next MP(?)

Postby Kurona » Sat May 07, 2016 11:10 am

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Well, that's... certainly out of the blue and out of nowhere.
I'm not entirely sure how to take this - or maybe, I am sure, it's just it's brought about a thousand thoughts buzzing in my mind and I'm having a hard time deciding where to start.
Okay, so... Primal wasn't a one-off thing? I mean, on his own I can't see I'd care for an MP Cheetor - bring on an MP Dinobot or Megatron imo - but... if this is implying a whole MP sub-line or something that runs alongside MP just to make MP versions of the original 10 Beast Wars cartoon cast? ... screw it, bring it on. I'd love that. I might even be a little more interested in getting all of them over all the G1 MPs; I mean with G1, it's a little overwhelming - there's more characters in the first G1 episode than there is in the entirety of Beast Wars. The idea of just the original 10 Beast Wars guys as MPs is appealing partly because it's an easy, finite number while G1's could conceivably go on until they've made every single character from 1984-1986. And of those there's only a select few I could see myself getting - I really loved BW and I love all the characters, so having a display of all 10 of the original cast is a nice idea.

But... again, is this implying the original 10? Or are they just making Cheetor and maybe a couple others on top of Primal? If it's not going to be the original 10 I'd at least hope for - and kinda expect - Megatron.

This is probably a bit too much speculation going off of a simple rumour, but, uh... wow. I was expecting another conehead or Jazz or Hound or something to be the next MP after Inferno/Primal, but... actually, no, I put it fine the first time. Wow.
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Re: Rumor: Chetas/Cheetor next MP(?)

Postby Desslok2201 » Sat May 07, 2016 11:13 am

I really wish the BW MPs would be a separate numbering system
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Re: Rumor: Chetas/Cheetor next MP(?)

Postby ScottyP » Sat May 07, 2016 11:24 am

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I think this is the right choice for MP treatment. Cheetor doesn't really have a good toy representation. I like the original toy, but the Generations update's attempt at a more definitive version was a swing and a miss.
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Re: Rumor: Chetas/Cheetor next MP(?)

Postby Sigma Magnus » Sat May 07, 2016 11:26 am

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:-? Interesting...would've preferred Megatron before Mr. Kid-Appeal, though I can deal with this. I hope this means that Masterpiece will be expanding its horizons. Who knows, maybe we'll start getting Masterpieces from the Unicron Trilogy.
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Re: Rumor: Chetas/Cheetor next MP(?)

Postby kurthy » Sat May 07, 2016 11:57 am

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I like this! Cheetor may not be my bag but, as Scotty pointed out, he's never gotten a decent toy of his season 1 show model. Still, least favorite BW character (and maybe second least BM character).

That said, I'll be really happy should they give me MP of any BW guy/gal. The season 1 characters are great because they've never had good toy versions except Rhinox and Rattrap and even those could use a little improvement. Just as long as the rest don't have chaps like Primal. :HEADHURTS:

And someone please give Megatron a rubber ducky that fits in his hand. ;)^
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Re: Rumor: Chetas/Cheetor next MP(?)

Postby Kurona » Sat May 07, 2016 12:03 pm

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kurthy wrote:And someone please give Megatron a rubber ducky that fits in his hand. ;)^

You just skyrocketed my opinion of a possibility of BW Megatron from "that would be really cool and would eventually pick up" to "MAKE IT RIGHT NOW"
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Re: Rumor: Chetas/Cheetor next MP(?)

Postby Railbomb » Sat May 07, 2016 12:10 pm

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A little... unexpected for number 2. I'll start being a little concerned if we don't have Megatron by the 5th BW MP. Tigatron will likely be following Cheetor and I wouldn't mind getting Dinobot before Megs. Hopefully we'll get at least the original crews at some point.
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Re: Rumor: Chetas/Cheetor next MP(?)

Postby shajaki » Sat May 07, 2016 12:29 pm

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Oh man. Simultaneously overjoyed that MP BW isn't a one time deal, and furious that Cheetor is being released before Dinobot. The only one I'd have accepted is Megatron.

Still overjoyed though ;)
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Re: Rumor: Chetas/Cheetor next MP(?)

Postby DecepticonFinishline » Sat May 07, 2016 5:11 pm

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Desslok2201 wrote:I really wish the BW MPs would be a separate numbering system


That's where I was with Star Saber, but now it just doesn't matter.

WHY? Why though?! Why ISN'T IS MEGATRON DAMMIT?! :PREDACON:

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Re: Rumor: Cheetus/Cheetor next MP(?)

Postby Sabrblade » Sat May 07, 2016 7:00 pm

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If this is true, then YES! Cheetor was my favorite character of the show as a kid (nowadays it's much harder for me to pick just one as my favorite) so this pleases me very much.

DecepticonFinishline wrote:WHY? Why though?! Why ISN'T IS MEGATRON DAMMIT?! :PREDACON:

WE. HAVE. TOO. MANY. HEROES.

We need more villains. Seriously. Every shelf ever is absurdly unbalanced.
There's a longstanding belief that good guys are more marketable/popular/successful than bad guys in Japan. If you look at a lot of Japanese toylines, there's a distinct lack of bad guy figures in comparison to how many good guys there usually are, with a lot of any anime and/or manga series that tie into those lines having a lot of non-toy villains.
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Re: Rumor: Chetas/Cheetor next MP(?)

Postby Zeedust » Sat May 07, 2016 7:02 pm

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I'm not surprised that Megatron wasn't next. Hasbro and Takara both tend to make more good guys than bad guys, sometimes to an extreme degree.

However, I am surprised that they're doing another BW character at all. Are they running out of Autobot cars and alternate Seeker color schemes or something? Is something other than G1 really starting to be important, even if only in Japan?
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Re: Rumor: Cheetus/Cheetor next MP(?)

Postby Sabrblade » Sat May 07, 2016 7:05 pm

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Zeedust wrote:However, I am surprised that they're doing another BW character at all. Are they running out of Autobot cars and alternate Seeker color schemes or something? Is something other than G1 really starting to be important, even if only in Japan?
They're doing BW MPs this year in celebration of the 20th anniversary. Come about another year or two and the MP line will likely go back to being solely G1 characters.
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Re: Rumor: Chetas/Cheetor next MP(?)

Postby Hellscream9999 » Sat May 07, 2016 7:18 pm

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Awesome, hopefully it works out, the design (a lean cheetah) doesn't lend itself to a 'big transformer'. It's almost like TT's taunting me, offering a tantalizing taste at the BW crew I always wanted - but they're going to be so expensive :-(
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Re: Rumor: Cheetus/Cheetor next MP(?)

Postby Sabrblade » Sat May 07, 2016 7:20 pm

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Also, there's a typo in this thread's title. Cheetor's Japanese name is spelled as "Cheetus".

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Re: Rumor: Chetas/Cheetor next MP(?)

Postby fenrir72 » Sat May 07, 2016 7:21 pm

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Desslok2201 wrote:I really wish the BW MPs would be a separate numbering system


That's where I was with Star Saber, but now it just doesn't matter.

WHY? Why though?! Why ISN'T IS MEGATRON DAMMIT?! :PREDACON:

WE. HAVE. TOO. MANY. HEROES.

We need more villains. Seriously. Every shelf ever is absurdly unbalanced.


Unless it's someone like Char Aznable "villains" always get second billing.
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Re: Rumor: Chetas/Cheetor next MP(?)

Postby JelZe GoldRabbit » Sat May 07, 2016 7:34 pm

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Sabrblade wrote:Also, there's a typo in this thread's title. Cheetor's Japanese name is spelled as "Cheetus".

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Has there ever been an "official" romanisation of the name, straight from TakaraTomy and not licensed merchandise? If not, there can't be typos, as we don't have a "correct" spelling at all.
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Re: Rumor: Cheetus/Cheetor next MP(?)

Postby Sabrblade » Sat May 07, 2016 7:45 pm

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JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:Also, there's a typo in this thread's title. Cheetor's Japanese name is spelled as "Cheetus".

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Has there ever been an "official" romanisation of the name, straight from TakaraTomy and not licensed merchandise? If not, there can't be typos, as we don't have a "correct" spelling at all.
At first I thought there wasn't, but after some quick research, turns out yes there is.

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Re: Rumor: Chetas/Cheetor next MP(?)

Postby kurthy » Sat May 07, 2016 8:05 pm

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fenrir72 wrote:
DecepticonFinishline wrote:
Desslok2201 wrote:I really wish the BW MPs would be a separate numbering system


That's where I was with Star Saber, but now it just doesn't matter.

WHY? Why though?! Why ISN'T IS MEGATRON DAMMIT?! :PREDACON:

WE. HAVE. TOO. MANY. HEROES.

We need more villains. Seriously. Every shelf ever is absurdly unbalanced.


Unless it's someone like Char Aznable "villains" always get second billing.


Even though said heroes wouldn't exist without those villains. Makes me miss MOTU, G.I. Joe, and M.A.S.K. from the '80s. You can't have a proper war on your floor if you only have one side. :BANG_HEAD:

But I actually understand the economics of the situation. Both factions will be bought by more well-to-do families because they can afford more than one and don't want to buy the same figure. But if you can only buy one for your kid, are you going to buy a good guy or a bad guy? The kid is probably going to want the good guy first and foremost (please don't forget that low income families far outnumber middle and upper class families). Hence, they will sell more Optimus Primes and Bumblebees than Megatrons and Starscreams. Basically, the assumption is that most families will buy a OP or BB, some families will buy a smattering, and very few families will only buy a Megatron/SS.

And that's great logic for the lower end of the spectrum. But when it comes to MPs, they are cost prohibitive from the beginning and not targeted at families, so when it comes to that, GIVE ME MY QUEEN AND LET THE REST BURN! :michaelbay: :PREDACON: :PREDACON: :PREDACON: :michaelbay: :PREDACON:
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Re: Rumor: Chetas/Cheetor next MP(?)

Postby Kurona » Sat May 07, 2016 8:11 pm

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kurthy wrote:
fenrir72 wrote:
DecepticonFinishline wrote:
Desslok2201 wrote:I really wish the BW MPs would be a separate numbering system


That's where I was with Star Saber, but now it just doesn't matter.

WHY? Why though?! Why ISN'T IS MEGATRON DAMMIT?! :PREDACON:

WE. HAVE. TOO. MANY. HEROES.

We need more villains. Seriously. Every shelf ever is absurdly unbalanced.


Unless it's someone like Char Aznable "villains" always get second billing.


Even though said heroes wouldn't exist without those villains. Makes me miss MOTU, G.I. Joe, and M.A.S.K. from the '80s. You can't have a proper war on your floor if you only have one side. :BANG_HEAD:

But I actually understand the economics of the situation. Both factions will be bought by more well-to-do families because they can afford more than one and don't want to buy the same figure. But if you can only buy one for your kid, are you going to buy a good guy or a bad guy? The kid is probably going to want the good guy first and foremost (please don't forget that low income families far outnumber middle and upper class families). Hence, they will sell more Optimus Primes and Bumblebees than Megatrons and Starscreams. Basically, the assumption is that most families will buy a OP or BB, some families will buy a smattering, and very few families will only buy a Megatron/SS.

And that's great logic for the lower end of the spectrum. But when it comes to MPs, they are cost prohibitive from the beginning and not targeted at families, so when it comes to that, GIVE ME MY QUEEN AND LET THE REST BURN! :PREDACON: :PREDACON: :PREDACON: :PREDACON:

True, but that doesn't prevent it from being a value and tradition being deep-rooted into decision making and how fans of such markets perceive things. It's very complicated and would likely get into psychology so I'm just gonna skip to the other more obvious point.
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Re: Rumor: Chetas/Cheetor next MP(?)

Postby fenrir72 » Sat May 07, 2016 8:12 pm

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kurthy wrote:
fenrir72 wrote:
DecepticonFinishline wrote:
Desslok2201 wrote:I really wish the BW MPs would be a separate numbering system


That's where I was with Star Saber, but now it just doesn't matter.

WHY? Why though?! Why ISN'T IS MEGATRON DAMMIT?! :PREDACON:

WE. HAVE. TOO. MANY. HEROES.

We need more villains. Seriously. Every shelf ever is absurdly unbalanced.


Unless it's someone like Char Aznable "villains" always get second billing.


Even though said heroes wouldn't exist without those villains. Makes me miss MOTU, G.I. Joe, and M.A.S.K. from the '80s. You can't have a proper war on your floor if you only have one side. :BANG_HEAD:

But I actually understand the economics of the situation. Both factions will be bought by more well-to-do families because they can afford more than one and don't want to buy the same figure. But if you can only buy one for your kid, are you going to buy a good guy or a bad guy? The kid is probably going to want the good guy first and foremost (please don't forget that low income families far outnumber middle and upper class families). Hence, they will sell more Optimus Primes and Bumblebees than Megatrons and Starscreams. Basically, the assumption is that most families will buy a OP or BB, some families will buy a smattering, and very few families will only buy a Megatron/SS.

And that's great logic for the lower end of the spectrum. But when it comes to MPs, they are cost prohibitive from the beginning and not targeted at families, so when it comes to that, GIVE ME MY QUEEN AND LET THE REST BURN! :michaelbay: :PREDACON: :PREDACON: :PREDACON: :michaelbay: :PREDACON:


Kind of sad too. Starscream got the re-issue/improved(?) design first (maybe because of the potential to repaint the mold to infinity) and his "popularity" over an improve MP Megatron G1. Sorry if I hurt BW fans but if they, TT does issue a Megatron, let it be a G1 version first the BW Megs
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Re: Rumor: Chetas/Cheetor next MP(?)

Postby Prowl4 » Sat May 07, 2016 8:22 pm

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I'm very happy to see the mp bw line continue and with cheetor. It's important cheetor is next in my opinion because the mould can be reworked into tigatron and maybe ravage, although ravage did have transmetal cheetors body. This has more remould and repaint potential than anybody else aside from tarantulas.

I'm genuinely surprised at the apparent dislike of cheetor but I loved the character. The character evolved from juvenile rookie to competent leader. Growing up at the time of beast wars and beast machines definitely drew me to cheetor and I took inspiration from him.

Happy to see him next and after all it means more time for takara to figure out a flawless dinobot, megatron and tarantulas.
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Re: Rumor: Chetas/Cheetor next MP(?)

Postby Sabrblade » Sat May 07, 2016 8:28 pm

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Prowl4 wrote:I'm very happy to see the mp bw line continue and with cheetor. It's important cheetor is next in my opinion because the mould can be reworked into tigatron and maybe ravage, although ravage did have transmetal cheetors body. This has more remould and repaint potential than anybody else aside from tarantulas.
Shadow Panther's the most likely candidate since Tigatron would have to be upscaled if Takara cares anything about cartoon scale since Tigatron was much taller and beefier than Cheetor was.

Something along the lines of Super Link Galvatron/Galvatron G and Energon Megatron/Galvatron.
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Re: Rumor: Chetas/Cheetor next MP(?)

Postby Kurona » Sat May 07, 2016 8:41 pm

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Prowl4 wrote:I'm very happy to see the mp bw line continue and with cheetor. It's important cheetor is next in my opinion because the mould can be reworked into tigatron and maybe ravage, although ravage did have transmetal cheetors body. This has more remould and repaint potential than anybody else aside from tarantulas.

I'm genuinely surprised at the apparent dislike of cheetor but I loved the character. The character evolved from juvenile rookie to competent leader. Growing up at the time of beast wars and beast machines definitely drew me to cheetor and I took inspiration from him.

Happy to see him next and after all it means more time for takara to figure out a flawless dinobot, megatron and tarantulas.

For me it's less that I dislike Cheetor - I love all the BW characters and would pick any of them up - it's just that out of everyone aside from Terrorsaur and Scorponok... he's probably the last one I'd pick up. I just like the other ones better is all; Cheetor's cool and I like him but he's kinda that "just there" character for me. You know, the one that the team wouldn't be the team without but he's not exactly your favourite despite that.
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