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Kurona wrote:Why the Energon cast?

Because some of that line's toys were genuinely awful and are in dire need of being remade to be as good as the rest of the toys in that line that were legitimately good/great, which the MP treatment could easily deliver upon.

Kurona wrote:Like... that's the thing almost everyone universally agrees is bad,

Not the animation models. People don't hate on those.

G1 had plenty of terrible episode stories yet you don't see people harping the G1 MPs for their mere existence.

Kurona wrote:and unlike Armada having Starscream it doesn't at least have a fan-favourite character everyone points to as one thing they liked about it.

I'd say Shockblast was awesome and his original toy definitely needs a redo.

Kurona wrote:I'd say TFP's main cast deserves the treatment personally, but, uh... maybe too soon.

I strongly disagree with that because practically every member of the of the TFP cast already has a close-enough-to-show-accurate toy. There are very very few of them who do not.

Kurona wrote:Armada I could only really see Optimus, Starscream and Hot Shot. Maybe Megatron, no-one else is really that memorable or loved. Maybe Red Alert? IDK. I can't see there being an interest in Armada Masterpieces beyond a few characters.

Virtually everyone from Armada needs the MP treatment. Their original toys were horribly compromised by the Mini-Con gimmick. Unicron and Tidal Wave are probably the only ones who don't need MPs (all Tidal Wave really needs is a pair of knees).

Kurona wrote:Animated at least, like Beast Wars, started off with just the five autobots and just the five decepticons. And for the most part, it kind of stayed to that same cast without changes unlike Beast Wars. So all of 'em would make sense. Masterpiece Lugnut sounds sexy.

And yet, in spite of how show-accurate the vast majority of that line's figures were, a small amount of them were still so near yet so far. The MP treatment, however, could make those few go all the way.

Ironhidensh wrote:

shajaki wrote:

Ironhidensh wrote:I don't know if it was mentioned yet, but if we get a MP Cheator, wouldn't that almost garunteed a MP Tigatron?

Only if they cheap out. They could use the exact same engineering, but he would have to be upscaled.

The original toy was the same size, a straight repaint. We all know how they love to make repaints.

Yes, but the key idea with Masterpiece is show accuracy. I'm not saying they won't go for a straight repaint, disappointing as that'd be, but it's not like it's impossible for them to go with a bit of retooling for added height and bulk.
Heck, if you want an example already from the Masterpiece line, look at Road Rage - her original toy is a straight repaint of Tracks, but for MP they gave her an extensive retooling not just for the head, but for the collar, biceps, hands, hips, and thighs to give her a more feminine figure. And she was never even in the show!
So... yeah. Even if the original toys were just straight repaints, Road Rage says to me they don't use that as an excuse. They'll only make it a straight repaint if the character was depicted as such in the fiction.

Ironhidensh wrote:

shajaki wrote:

Ironhidensh wrote:I don't know if it was mentioned yet, but if we get a MP Cheator, wouldn't that almost garunteed a MP Tigatron?

Only if they cheap out. They could use the exact same engineering, but he would have to be upscaled.

The original toy was the same size, a straight repaint. We all know how they love to make repaints.

They're basing these MP on the cartoon models, though. Tigatron was much bigger than Cheetor:





They would need to upsize the mold to make Tigatron, like what was done for Super Link Galvatron/Galvatron G and Energon Megatron/Galvatron:

Sabrblade wrote:

Kurona wrote:Why the Energon cast?

Because some of that line's toys were genuinely awful and are in dire need of being remade to be as good as the rest of the toys in that line that were legitimately good/great, which the MP treatment could easily deliver upon.

Kurona wrote:Like... that's the thing almost everyone universally agrees is bad,

Not the animation models. People don't hate on those.

G1 had plenty of terrible episode stories yet you don't see people harping the G1 MPs for their mere existence.

Kurona wrote:and unlike Armada having Starscream it doesn't at least have a fan-favourite character everyone points to as one thing they liked about it.

I'd say Shockblast was awesome and his original toy definitely needs a redo.

Kurona wrote:I'd say TFP's main cast deserves the treatment personally, but, uh... maybe too soon.

I strongly disagree with that because practically every member of the of the TFP cast already has a close-enough-to-show-accurate toy. There are very very few of them who do not.

Kurona wrote:Armada I could only really see Optimus, Starscream and Hot Shot. Maybe Megatron, no-one else is really that memorable or loved. Maybe Red Alert? IDK. I can't see there being an interest in Armada Masterpieces beyond a few characters.

Virtually everyone from Armada needs the MP treatment. Their original toys were horribly compromised by the Mini-Con gimmick. Unicron and Tidal Wave are probably the only ones who don't need MPs (all Tidal Wave really needs is a pair of knees).

Kurona wrote:Animated at least, like Beast Wars, started off with just the five autobots and just the five decepticons. And for the most part, it kind of stayed to that same cast without changes unlike Beast Wars. So all of 'em would make sense. Masterpiece Lugnut sounds sexy.

And yet, in spite of how show-accurate the vast majority of that line's figures were, a small amount of them were still so near yet so far. The MP treatment, however, could make those few go all the way.

... yes, people definitely hated the animation models. The animation was one of the most obvious and immense problems and critiques of Energon; even if the models were animated with some level of competence that wouldn't make them good. They still had pretty much two expressions, awful lighting, stood out like an army of sore thumbs and were ridiculously toy accurate.
Also, I'm... not entirely sure why you're saying Masterpiece for figures that need good toy updates. I'll certainly agree with you that Energon had a good toyline, but Masterpiece is much more about giving people the characters they loved to watch on-screen in a perfect representation. There is next to no love for the characters in Energon, and hence there'd be too small a market to really sell a Masterpiece, say, Snow Cat too. Updating old toylines from many different eras is Generations' shtick, not Masterpiece's. Like, if they updated Energon Demolishor for the next Generations line after Titans Return, I might pick him up - because he'd be a voyager or a deluxe, hence he'd be cheap so if I liked the look of him I could buy him without any real worry. When it gets to Masterpiece level where you're gonna be asking like, upwards of $60 or whatever for the guy, you really have to be into the character. And there's next to no fanbase for the Energon characters.
G1 and Beast Wars having Masterpiece lines work because they're immensely popular and there's a lot of people who, having now grown to an age where they have the money to throw at an expensive, perfect show-accurate representation of the characters from the show they knew and loved, will happily throw money at an expensive, perfect show-accurate representation of the characters from the show they knew and loved. You'll get people who will buy Masterpieces because they think "hey, that's cool", but that is definitely not the main market and it wouldn't justify the expenses put into making a Masterpiece figure. A Masterpiece update of characters from Energon - aside from maybe the leaders and the kid-appeal character - is about as likely as Masterpiece updates of Deluxe Insecticons and the Action Masters.

Kurona wrote:... yes, people definitely hated the animation models. The animation was one of the most obvious and immense problems and critiques of Energon; even if the models were animated with some level of competence that wouldn't make them good. They still had pretty much two expressions, awful lighting, stood out like an army of sore thumbs and were ridiculously toy accurate.

You're talking about something completely different than I am. You're talking about the motion, fluidity, and range of movement implemented into the objects depicted on screen. I'm taking about the aesthetics and appearances of those objects themselves. The designs and looks of the models. No one hated Megatron's Galvatron motif. No one hated Optimus's classic window-chested look or his Voltron-esque Super Mode. No one hated all the G1 homages that Energon's character designs were swimming in. The visual designs themselves of the were highly praised.

Look me in the eye and tell me this looks terrible on a purely aesthetic level regardless of how badly the show handled this thing:

Kurona wrote:Also, I'm... not entirely sure why you're saying Masterpiece for figures that need good toy updates. I'll certainly agree with you that Energon had a good toyline, but Masterpiece is much more about giving people the characters they loved to watch on-screen in a perfect representation.

Not every character who has gotten a MP is beloved or even known by everyone.

Kurona wrote:There is next to no love for the characters in Energon, and hence there'd be too small a market to really sell a Masterpiece, say, Snow Cat too.

This isn't about that. This is about which characters would need MPs to get their looks and articulation right since their old toys failed to on one front or the other or both.

Kurona wrote:Updating old toylines from many different eras is Generations' shtick, not Masterpiece's.

By redesigning them. MPs are updates that keep the same designs from the past.

Kurona wrote:Like, if they updated Energon Demolishor for the next Generations line after Titans Return, I might pick him up - because he'd be a voyager or a deluxe, hence he'd be cheap so if I liked the look of him I could buy him without any real worry. When it gets to Masterpiece level where you're gonna be asking like, upwards of $60 or whatever for the guy, you really have to be into the character. And there's next to no fanbase for the Energon characters.
G1 and Beast Wars having Masterpiece lines work because they're immensely popular and there's a lot of people who, having now grown to an age where they have the money to throw at an expensive, perfect show-accurate representation of the characters from the show they knew and loved, will happily throw money at an expensive, perfect show-accurate representation of the characters from the show they knew and loved. You'll get people who will buy Masterpieces because they think "hey, that's cool", but that is definitely not the main market and it wouldn't justify the expenses put into making a Masterpiece figure. A Masterpiece update of characters from Energon - aside from maybe the leaders and the kid-appeal character - is about as likely as Masterpiece updates of Deluxe Insecticons and the Action Masters.

Again, completely irrelevant to my original point.

Considering the utter hatred and disgust that was felt by nearly everyone on these boards for Energon, back when it was first aired and was on toy shelves, I can't see Takara going anywhere near it with masterpiece.

Sabrblade wrote:

Kurona wrote:... yes, people definitely hated the animation models. The animation was one of the most obvious and immense problems and critiques of Energon; even if the models were animated with some level of competence that wouldn't make them good. They still had pretty much two expressions, awful lighting, stood out like an army of sore thumbs and were ridiculously toy accurate.

You're talking about something completely different than I am. You're talking about the motion, fluidity, and range of movement implemented into the objects depicted on screen. I'm taking about the aesthetics and appearances of those objects themselves. The designs and looks of the models. No one hated Megatron's Galvatron motif. No one hated Optimus's classic window-chested look or his Voltron-esque Super Mode. No one hated all the G1 homages that Energon's character designs were swimming in. The visual designs themselves of the were highly praised.

Look me in the eye and tell me this looks terrible on a purely aesthetic level regardless of how badly the show handled this thing:

Kurona wrote:Also, I'm... not entirely sure why you're saying Masterpiece for figures that need good toy updates. I'll certainly agree with you that Energon had a good toyline, but Masterpiece is much more about giving people the characters they loved to watch on-screen in a perfect representation.

Not every character who has gotten a MP is beloved or even known by everyone.

Kurona wrote:There is next to no love for the characters in Energon, and hence there'd be too small a market to really sell a Masterpiece, say, Snow Cat too.

This isn't about that. This is about which characters would need MPs to get their looks and articulation right since their old toys failed to on one front or the other or both.

Kurona wrote:Updating old toylines from many different eras is Generations' shtick, not Masterpiece's.

By redesigning them. MPs are updates that keep the same designs from the past.

Kurona wrote:Like, if they updated Energon Demolishor for the next Generations line after Titans Return, I might pick him up - because he'd be a voyager or a deluxe, hence he'd be cheap so if I liked the look of him I could buy him without any real worry. When it gets to Masterpiece level where you're gonna be asking like, upwards of $60 or whatever for the guy, you really have to be into the character. And there's next to no fanbase for the Energon characters.
G1 and Beast Wars having Masterpiece lines work because they're immensely popular and there's a lot of people who, having now grown to an age where they have the money to throw at an expensive, perfect show-accurate representation of the characters from the show they knew and loved, will happily throw money at an expensive, perfect show-accurate representation of the characters from the show they knew and loved. You'll get people who will buy Masterpieces because they think "hey, that's cool", but that is definitely not the main market and it wouldn't justify the expenses put into making a Masterpiece figure. A Masterpiece update of characters from Energon - aside from maybe the leaders and the kid-appeal character - is about as likely as Masterpiece updates of Deluxe Insecticons and the Action Masters.

Again, completely irrelevant to my original point.

Alright, sure, I'll look you in the eyes and tell you that model looks completely terrible and would worry me if it's the first thing I knew about a new show based on the toyline. It's lighting is completely off for one thing... and then it's a bit too toy-accurate. You done me a favour by showing Optimus because, well, it really shows how going toy-accurate with like no changes can really hurt something. Even if you like Energon Optimus' super modes and such... he's fat. I don't think I need to go on long about how badly proportioned and bad-looking non-super Energon Optimus Prime looks. A show doesn't need to worry about that. They can fix the proportions and have the legs and arms bulked out a little to match the size of the body. But they didn't, so he still looks ridiculous.
And I was talking about problems with the models. I was specifically talking about problems with the models and not how they were animated; I said that literally right before I stated my problems. The lighting is bad, they're painfully toy-accurate, they can only make two faces (mouth open and mouth closed), and they stand out horrifically since the rest of the series is cel-shaded. I'm sorry, but you're not gonna win an argument that's in favour of Energon's animation. You're... just not.


Yes, but take a look at the obscure characters that have MPs - ie the only ones that weren't in Season 1/Season 2/The Movie or were called Star Saber or Optimus Primal - and tell me if you notice a trend. Or I could just say what that trend is right now - they're repaints. There has been no mold specifically made for an obscure character. Yes, Acid Storm has a Masterpiece. Because he's a repaint and requires no new molding and no new designing beyond the colours. Yes, Road Rage has a masterpiece. Because she's - admittedly heavily - edited from Tracks. A lot more money and effort goes into making an entirely new figure than any repaints or retools. Recolouring Sideswipe into Tigertrack and making an entirely new mold for Energon Shockblast are two entirely different stories. It's just not something you can compare.


I was just using Snow Cat as an example, you don't need to take it too literally. But alright, if you want specific examples I'll assume you're talking about some of the worse toys of Energon; off the top of my head I can think of Slugslinger. You can't honestly think that there'd be enough of a market for a $60+ Masterpiece Energon Slugslinger to warrant the immense amount of effort and money that would go into the production of an entirely new Masterpiece mold. Shockblast? Maybe... but people only particularly like him because he's a good Shockwave stand-in. And we already have a Masterpiece Shockwave.


Look at Generations Rhinox, Waspinator, Rattrap, Armada Starscream and Tankor. If they're resdesigned, it's only in very minor ways. They are extremely accurate to either their original toys, their on-screen representations or somewhere between both that pleases both fans of the toy and the cartoon character. If Generations remade Shockblast or Slugslinger, it'd be pretty damn accurate to Shockblast or Slugslinger.


Then what is your original point? Did I miss something? I'm very sorry if I did, but your point seems to be "they could make Masterpiece figures to update old toylines", which isn't really what Masterpiece is about. Masterpiece is about the character first and the toy second. And hence you need to make sure there's a market for that character before you make and sell the figure. Again, I'm sorry if I'm missing something, but I'm just not getting your point and this seems much more like a "I would really like this". Well, G1 Nightbeat is my favourite autobot of all time and I'd love a Masterpiece of him; but that is probably never gonna happen unless they decide to make MPs of the Masterforce Headmaster Juniors.
Who they make a Masterpiece of is based on how popular the character is and hence how well it will sell. Just about every G1 Season 1/2 character is popular enough, and the ones that aren't are generally repaints or minor retools to the extent cost isn't that big of an issue, plus people will buy them anyway just to complete a team like Thundercracker and Skywarp to flank Starscream. If you're expecting a Masterpiece toy just because "they could revive this toy and make it good", and for no other reason, then I'm sorry but you're just gonna end up extremely disappointed.

Sabrblade wrote:Virtually everyone from Armada needs the MP treatment. Their original toys were horribly compromised by the Mini-Con gimmick. Unicron and Tidal Wave are probably the only ones who don't need MPs (all Tidal Wave really needs is a pair of knees).

I'd argue that they need the 'Generations' update more than the MP treatment...

So how about that possible MP Cheetor guys? Guys? Anyone?

Burn wrote:So how about that possible MP Cheetor guys? Guys? Anyone?

Well, I honestly think that he'll suffer from compromises. I think it can be done, but it will be exceptionally difficult and probably require a lot of parts. I think an upscaling of him for Tigatron is possible, his added girth of being a tiger would no doubt ease the process. I'm not gonna hold my breath, but I do hope he looks glorious

kurthy wrote:But I actually understand the economics of the situation. Both factions will be bought by more well-to-do families because they can afford more than one and don't want to buy the same figure. But if you can only buy one for your kid, are you going to buy a good guy or a bad guy? The kid is probably going to want the good guy first and foremost (please don't forget that low income families far outnumber middle and upper class families). Hence, they will sell more Optimus Primes and Bumblebees than Megatrons and Starscreams. Basically, the assumption is that most families will buy a OP or BB, some families will buy a smattering, and very few families will only buy a Megatron/SS.

And that's great logic for the lower end of the spectrum. But when it comes to MPs, they are cost prohibitive from the beginning and not targeted at families, so when it comes to that, GIVE ME MY QUEEN AND LET THE REST BURN!

What about other "collector" stuff like Generations and Platinum?

Hellscream9999 wrote:Why not only did BW save the franchise, but it has a huge fan base behind it,

I know how important Beast Wars is, I'm just used to it being snubbed.

Prowl4 wrote:

DecepticonFinishline wrote:
I like all the Beast Wars characters. However, I expected that they would only bother with the leaders and not make MP molds of the rest of the team (actually, as a cynic, I expected ONLY the Autobot Maximal leader and nothing else). But if they make a supporting character to add to the hero ranks and don't even make the leader of the Predacons at all, it feels like a massive middle finger. It's kind of akin to the way Pokemon treats Grass-types in relation to Fire- and Water-types.

A middle finger is harsh. This character eventually became leader of the maximals so I'm pretty happy with him. As I said it gives more time for takara to do a perfect dinobot, megatron etc. Dinobot is my favourite character but I'm just going to be patient because I don't want a sub par figure rushed out the door. I think this could be the start of a nice evolution from bw to tm to tm2 to beast machines. I'm happy with the choice.

He said "at all". Still, if that's a middle finger, then Hasbro's attitude towards Beast Wars qualifies as a kick in the groin.

Sabrblade wrote:Virtually everyone from Armada needs the MP treatment.

Honestly, if they do Unicron Trilogy remakes in any line, I think Vector Prime should be at the top of the list. He's probably the one who hold the most significance in the greater Transformers multiverse, on both sides of the Pacific.

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Burn wrote:So how about that possible MP Cheetor guys? Guys? Anyone?

Well, I honestly think that he'll suffer from compromises. I think it can be done, but it will be exceptionally difficult and probably require a lot of parts. I think an upscaling of him for Tigatron is possible, his added girth of being a tiger would no doubt ease the process. I'm not gonna hold my breath, but I do hope he looks glorious

If they leave the weapons separate like they did for Primal's swords, they'll have to make a place to hide the tail in robot mode, so that might be the first compromise.

MP Cheetor you say? Huh.





OH HELL YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Ahem. More BW MP's have my vote. I'll get the entire cast. Yes I will. Doing Cheetor now makes sense. The engineering can be redone into Tigatron so there's an easy third figure. Because let's face it, none of the BW cast can really be repainted/retooled into someone else except Cheetor and Tarantulas. And Tarantulas is going to be so extreme a remould, they may as well make BA a new mould entirely, just borrow some of Tarantulas engineering.

Oh happy days, I get more BW MP's. With Inferno getting announced, I was worried I was only going to be getting the one.

@Kurona: Look at my original post again:

Sabrblade wrote:The way I see it, the cartoon casts that need the MP treatment the most, in the order of which each cartoon was made, are the G1 cast, the Beast Wars season 1 cast, a small amount of the Beast Wars seasons 2-3 cast, the Beast Machines cast, the Armada cast, a small amount of the Energon cast, and the tiniest amount of the Animated cast.

Did you ever wonder why I excluded the likes of the much-liked Cybertron and Prime, or specifically noted that only "some" of BW seasons 2-3/Energon/Animated's casts need MPs rather than ALL of their casts? It is because that everyone I excluded from those listed above already has good quality show-accurate toys and don't need MP versions to give us those. My original point was that "the G1 cast, the Beast Wars season 1 cast, a small amount of the Beast Wars seasons 2-3 cast, the Beast Machines cast, the Armada cast, a small amount of the Energon cast, and the tiniest amount of the Animated cast" all need MPs more than anyone else because all of their original toys and their original characters models were the ones that were the least synchronized with each other in terms of both resembling one another and being able to do all of the same things as each other. THAT is why those specific casts need MPs. Not because of any kind of affection the fandom may or may not have towards those characters, but because of how the MP treatment could achieve and rectify what the original takes on these characters failed to accomplish. THAT was my original point, in no way tied to emotion or affection for the characters, but in every way tied to design aesthetics and visual appearances.

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Virtually everyone from Armada needs the MP treatment. Their original toys were horribly compromised by the Mini-Con gimmick. Unicron and Tidal Wave are probably the only ones who don't need MPs (all Tidal Wave really needs is a pair of knees).

I'd argue that they need the 'Generations' update more than the MP treatment...

With Generations, there's no guarantee they'd keep their original designs. That Armada Starscream got to keep his (almost) completely intact is nothing short of a miracle. With the MP treatment, however, the original design guaranteed to be kept since the MP line is beholden to each character's original looks (minus Wheeljack's coloration).

Zeedust wrote:Honestly, if they do Unicron Trilogy remakes in any line, I think Vector Prime should be at the top of the list. He's probably the one who hold the most significance in the greater Transformers multiverse, on both sides of the Pacific.

Cybertron Vector Prime most certainly does not need the MP treatment since his original toy was a fantastic representation of the character that matched up so well with his character model was an all around great figure, better than some of today's toys even.

Insurgent wrote:Ahem. More BW MP's have my vote. I'll get the entire cast. Yes I will. Doing Cheetor now makes sense. The engineering can be redone into Tigatron so there's an easy third figure. Because let's face it, none of the BW cast can really be repainted/retooled into someone else except Cheetor and Tarantulas. And Tarantulas is going to be so extreme a remould, they may as well make BA a new mould entirely, just borrow some of Tarantulas engineering.

I could think of a few BW MP redecos/remolds if Takara would be willing to dip into Hasbro-based obscurity:

Optimus Primal --> Burning Convoy, Universe Optimus Primal
Cheetor --> Shadow Panther, Fox Kids Cheetor
Rattrap --> Packrat
Rhinox --> Predacon Rhinox, Fox Kids Rhinox
Dinobot --> BW Grimlock, BWII Thrustor, BWNeo Harhead, Fox Kids Dinobot, Dinobots (2000) Dinotron, Dinobots (2003) Grimlock, SG Dinobot

Megatron --> Dinobots (2003) T-Wrecks
Scorponok --> BotCon Japan 1998 Double Punch, BotCon 1999 Sandstorm/SG Scorponok
Terrorsaur --> BW Lazorbeak, Fractyl, BWNeo Hydra
Waspinator --> BW Buzz Saw, BWNeo Dirgegun, Fox Kids Waspinator/Buzzbomb, TFSS Thrustinator
Inferno --> Antagony

True. But I was thinking of show cast only. Guess there's quite a few if you go into the toys.

Insurgent wrote:True. But I was thinking of show cast only. Guess there's quite a few if you go into the toys.

Yeah, and with Dinobot having the most, he could end up being the "Seeker" of this line.

Though, if any of these are be actually be made, I'd bet on Burning Convoy being the mostly likely one since he did appear in the BWII movie.

Cheetor into Shadow Panther I could also see happening since Takara would be making a new toy for their first original BW character.

Insurgent wrote:>:oP MP Cheetor you say? Huh.





OH HELL YES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Ahem. More BW MP's have my vote. I'll get the entire cast. Yes I will. Doing Cheetor now makes sense. The engineering can be redone into Tigatron so there's an easy third figure. Because let's face it, none of the BW cast can really be repainted/retooled into someone else except Cheetor and Tarantulas. And Tarantulas is going to be so extreme a remould, they may as well make BA a new mould entirely, just borrow some of Tarantulas engineering.

Oh happy days, I get more BW MP's. With Inferno getting announced, I was worried I was only going to be getting the one.

I kinda get the feeling (and extreme hope) that the Masterpiece line will be split; with a Masterpiece G1 line and a Masterpiece Beast Wars line developing figures independently of one another. Beast Wars is certainly popular enough to warrant mass sales on pretty much anyone other than Scorponok and Terrorsaur, so it's not like it'd be a worry of costs.

Sabrblade wrote:

Insurgent wrote:True. But I was thinking of show cast only. Guess there's quite a few if you go into the toys.

Yeah, and with Dinobot having the most, he could end up being the "Seeker" of this line.

Zeedust wrote:

kurthy wrote:But I actually understand the economics of the situation. Both factions will be bought by more well-to-do families because they can afford more than one and don't want to buy the same figure. But if you can only buy one for your kid, are you going to buy a good guy or a bad guy? The kid is probably going to want the good guy first and foremost (please don't forget that low income families far outnumber middle and upper class families). Hence, they will sell more Optimus Primes and Bumblebees than Megatrons and Starscreams. Basically, the assumption is that most families will buy a OP or BB, some families will buy a smattering, and very few families will only buy a Megatron/SS.

And that's great logic for the lower end of the spectrum. But when it comes to MPs, they are cost prohibitive from the beginning and not targeted at families, so when it comes to that, GIVE ME MY QUEEN AND LET THE REST BURN!

What about other "collector" stuff like Generations and Platinum?

Considering that the generations line doesn't cost that much more than the current RID and Rescue lines, I'm no longer listing it as a collector line. There's a $50 RID Bee and some of the Rescue line are in the $30-40 range. It's more of something adult fans buy their kids and themselves. Of course, there is the exception of titan class. The platinum line on the other hand, again, I'm not expecting anyone but the well-off to purchase. In fact, with the way they're doing it, I still don't understand why it exists at all. I don't even know why you brought up platinum.

Back on topic, I really hope they do a good job with Cheetor and don't compromise the mold for a gimmick or two like the generations mold eyes or Hot Rod to Rodimus Prime.

kurthy wrote:Considering that the generations line doesn't cost that much more than the current RID and Rescue lines, I'm no longer listing it as a collector line. There's a $50 RID Bee and some of the Rescue line are in the $30-40 range. It's more of something adult fans buy their kids and themselves. Of course, there is the exception of titan class. The platinum line on the other hand, again, I'm not expecting anyone but the well-off to purchase. In fact, with the way they're doing it, I still don't understand why it exists at all. I don't even know why you brought up platinum.

Back on topic, I really hope they do a good job with Cheetor and don't compromise the mold for a gimmick or two like the generations mold eyes or Hot Rod to Rodimus Prime.

I was going by target demographic rather than price, and Platinum still exists, so apparently someone's buying it.

Zeedust wrote:

kurthy wrote:Considering that the generations line doesn't cost that much more than the current RID and Rescue lines, I'm no longer listing it as a collector line. There's a $50 RID Bee and some of the Rescue line are in the $30-40 range. It's more of something adult fans buy their kids and themselves. Of course, there is the exception of titan class. The platinum line on the other hand, again, I'm not expecting anyone but the well-off to purchase. In fact, with the way they're doing it, I still don't understand why it exists at all. I don't even know why you brought up platinum.

Back on topic, I really hope they do a good job with Cheetor and don't compromise the mold for a gimmick or two like the generations mold eyes or Hot Rod to Rodimus Prime.

I was going by target demographic rather than price, and Platinum still exists, so apparently someone's buying it.

Price plays a big part in target demographic. You don't make a $150 kids toy

Sadly, I'm one of those fools still buying it because I wasn't collecting when RTS junkions came out.

When I posted this...

Burn wrote:So how about that possible MP Cheetor guys? Guys? Anyone?

...it was my subtle way of trying to get this topic back onto Cheetor.

Cheetor.

Not what figures you want from Energon or any other lines. They can have their own threads.

CHEETOR.
Is there any further explanation necessary?

I certainly wouldn't mind cheetor I hope they do him well.

Burn wrote:When I posted this...

Burn wrote:So how about that possible MP Cheetor guys? Guys? Anyone?

...it was my subtle way of trying to get this topic back onto Cheetor.

Cheetor.

Not what figures you want from Energon or any other lines. They can have their own threads.

CHEETOR.
Is there any further explanation necessary?

Yes, Sir!
Didn't I try?

kurthy wrote:Back on topic, I really hope they do a good job with Cheetor and don't compromise the mold for a gimmick or two like the generations mold eyes or Hot Rod to Rodimus Prime.

I'm excited and will get it, but I'm worried about whether or not they will make a good clean mold.

I don't think there will be too much compromise for MP Cheetus. Cheetor's CGI model transformed quite similarly to his original toy, which they could start with as a base and work their way from there. Though, hiding his robot mode blue leg armor in beast mode might be a challenge since the armor disappears completely in Beast Mode while it remained on the back of his hindlegs on the original toy.



As an aside, he's so cute when he makes cat poses in Beast Mode.

I think, as with most Cheetor molds, the alt mode hips and legs will be problematic. Depending on the size, he could end with beefy alt mode legs or spindly bot mode legs. I'd like to see them fold the legs around a bit and have the hind legs become the arms and front legs become the legs. I'll be very interested to see how it turns out.