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News Credits: 1350 · by **ZeroWolf** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 2:21 pm

Greetings Seibertronians! Fellow Seibertron user Sabrblade has pointed us in the direction of twitter user @UNOYUKIN07153 who has tweeted what looks like excerpts from an upcoming issue of Figure King Magazine (Same source as these Rodimus Prime images and the red redco of Masterpiece Skids).

The last news to come out of these shared magazine scans is a small bit of text, that hints that, not only is Masterpiece Raiden still coming out, but that there's also a possible MP Skyfire to join the Masterpiece ranks. There's a mention of Unite Warrior size but it's unclear who it's referring to and if it's talking about the five member unite Warrior teams like Superion, or UW Devastator.

While Takara have given no official confirmation to a MP Skyfire, it could be am indication of big things to come for the Masterpiece line.

What do you think of this news? Will you be all in on an MP Skyfire?

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News Credits: 55 · by **o.supreme** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 3:31 pm

Raiden by far is my most wanted combiner. I would have preferred it to be a Generation Selects. However I figure it is a win-win for me.

If Raiden is 18 inches, then he will be the perfect rival for PotP Predaking. If he is smaller in scale with the other combiners, that works also considering in my collection Evil Combiners currently outnumber the Heroic ones 17-15.

I know the term "mini masterpiece" is going around a lot with respects to some of the current SS86, and WFC toys. However I would think that even an 18 inch Raiden would be too small to be considered Masterpiece? Unless it is because of the sheer amount of engineering that is involved. At any rate it would be perfect for me. If it was any larger however, it wouldn't work.

News Credits: 317 · by **chuckdawg1999** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 3:32 pm

I really, really hope Skyfire is as solid and fun as MP Starsaber.

News Credits: 251 · by **Mindmaster** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 3:37 pm

A Masterpiece Skyfire/Jetfire would be neat but I’m perfectly happy with my Siege guy fulfilling that role. Nice to see Raiden is still in the works (unlike Armada Prime, sadly

). I’m curious what they mean by Unite Warriors size though.

News Credits: 55 · by **o.supreme** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 3:43 pm

Mindmaster wrote:I’m curious what they mean by Unite Warriors size though.

UW (and thus CW) Devastator is 18 inches (according to TT 45 CM). This also applies to PotP Predaking

However all other UW Combiners, (and by extension CW, PotP, Selects etc...) are *roughly* 12 inches.

As I stated above, either one works for me. An official TT/Hasbro MP Combiner has yet to be released, but many 3P ones scale a bit larger in the 20-22 inch range, so not sure how hardcore MP fans will feel. But I'm encouraged by this news.

News Credits: 241 · by **Jelze Bunnycat** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 3:44 pm

Mindmaster wrote:A Masterpiece Skyfire/Jetfire would be neat but I’m perfectly happy with my Siege guy fulfilling that role. Nice to see Raiden is still in the works (unlike Armada Prime, sadly ). I’m curious what they mean by Unite Warriors size though.

Transformers Comic-Con Exclusives Devastator Gallery

I'm fairly certain Devastator size to make room for all the engineering.

News Credits: 22 · by **Rodimus Prime** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 4:22 pm

Sabrblade wrote:In this Tweet, a magazine scan of Japanese text gives us some major news.

First, it mentions something about Masterpiece Skids and a second use of that mold, which I've already posted here in Skids's thread.

Next, the text mentions that Raiden is still coming.

Third, it seems to mention... Masterpiece Skyfire!

And finally, I cannot tell specifically whether this next point is for Skyfire or Raiden since both are mentioned in the same paragraph as this, but whichever of the two this is for, the one it is talking about will be of comparable size to "Unite Warriors size" (but it also doesn't seem to specify if it means the size of the normal non-Titan combiners or the size of UW Devastator, which would make more sense for either of the two at MP scale).

If they will make Skyfire Devy-sized, why not just call him a Titan? Or would it look stupid since they already released a Commander version?

News Credits: 317 · by **chuckdawg1999** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 5:42 pm

Jelze Bunnycat wrote:
Mindmaster wrote:A Masterpiece Skyfire/Jetfire would be neat but I’m perfectly happy with my Siege guy fulfilling that role. Nice to see Raiden is still in the works (unlike Armada Prime, sadly ). I’m curious what they mean by Unite Warriors size though.

Transformers Comic-Con Exclusives Devastator Gallery

I'm fairly certain Devastator size to make room for all the engineering.

The original Raiden had a lot of parts forming to complete the super robot. Unlike Devastator the parts were fairly important to the vehicle modes as they were the tops of the trains, and bits to connect them to each other.

News Credits: 440 · by **Sabrblade** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 6:01 pm

Rodimus Prime wrote:If they will make Skyfire Devy-sized, why not just call him a Titan? Or would it look stupid since they already released a Commander version?

The Masterpiece line doesn't have size classes, so it wouldn't make sense to use a size class term for a line that doesn't have them.

News Credits: 440 · by **Sabrblade** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 6:19 pm

As for the size that's mentioned in the text, it would make the most sense for it to refer to the size of Devastator, yes. But, were that the case, one would think that the text would actually mention Devastator by name since he was the only one of his size in the UW line, but it doesn't. It just says "Unite Warriors size".

News Credits: 22 · by **Rodimus Prime** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 7:05 pm

Sabrblade wrote:
Rodimus Prime wrote:If they will make Skyfire Devy-sized, why not just call him a Titan? Or would it look stupid since they already released a Commander version?
The Masterpiece line doesn't have size classes, so it wouldn't make sense to use a size class term for a line that doesn't have them.

You misunderstood. I didn't say he should be called a Titan MP or a MP Titan. I was saying that if he will be Devastator's size, why not call him a Titan instead of a Masterpiece?

I also figured if Skyfire was going to have a MP it would be the size of the Commander figure. Except much better quality. And probably triple the price.

MyFigureCollection.net collection · by **Emerje** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 7:39 pm

I mean, technically they could be referring to both sizes. Star Saber is about the same size as a regular combiner and I wouldn't expect Skyfire to be bigger than him. It's basically the size of the Commander Class Jetfire.

(Yes, I realize pegging down his size is hard, especially when he's been as tall as Wheeljack in scenes, but I like him at this size).

And then Raiden would be at the 18" size and that makes sense since the individual Constructicons are at a good comparable MP scale.

I probably should point out that Commander class Jetfire cost $200 in Japan, sooo... $400?

Emerje

News Credits: 1 · by **Changewinds** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 8:37 pm

Hmm, it’d be odd if MP Skyfire is the same size as Siege Jetfire, since, for the most part, MPs are bigger than their CHUG counterparts. I just got my Siege Jetfire and I like him despite his flaws, so I don’t think I’ll pick up the MP one, but I am curious to see how they handle him.

News Credits: 440 · by **Sabrblade** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 10:21 pm

Rodimus Prime wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Rodimus Prime wrote:If they will make Skyfire Devy-sized, why not just call him a Titan? Or would it look stupid since they already released a Commander version?
The Masterpiece line doesn't have size classes, so it wouldn't make sense to use a size class term for a line that doesn't have them.
You misunderstood. I didn't say he should be called a Titan MP or a MP Titan. I was saying that if he will be Devastator's size, why not call him a Titan instead of a Masterpiece?

Because, being a MP, it would have a much higher budget and engineering level than what Titans are usually allotted. And potentially diecast parts, which no Titan has ever had.

Not everything the size of a Titan is a Titan. Epic Optimus Prime and Stomp & Chomp Grimlock, for instance, were Titan-sized, but I sure wouldn't call either of them one given how cheap their budgets and engineering were, compared to the actual Titan class figures.

MyFigureCollection.net collection · by **Emerje** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 10:27 pm

Sabrblade wrote:
Rodimus Prime wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Rodimus Prime wrote:If they will make Skyfire Devy-sized, why not just call him a Titan? Or would it look stupid since they already released a Commander version?
The Masterpiece line doesn't have size classes, so it wouldn't make sense to use a size class term for a line that doesn't have them.
You misunderstood. I didn't say he should be called a Titan MP or a MP Titan. I was saying that if he will be Devastator's size, why not call him a Titan instead of a Masterpiece?
Because, being a MP, it would have a much higher budget and engineering level than what Titans are usually allotted. And potentially diecast parts, which no Titan has ever had.

Not everything the size of a Titan is a Titan. Epic Optimus Prime and Stomp & Chomp Grimlock, for instance, were Titan-sized, but I sure wouldn't call either of them one given how cheap their budgets and engineering were, compared to the actual Titan class figures.

Not to mention Titan is a price point, not an indication of size, and many MPs have exceeded the Titan price point which Skyfire and Raiden will do with ease.

Emerje

News Credits: 440 · by **Sabrblade** » Thu Mar 25, 2021 11:50 pm

Clarity from a Japanese speaker: This is indeed confirming a MP Skyfire in the works, and the "Unite Warriors size" (whichever size that may be) does refer to Raiden.

News Credits: 97 · by **-Kanrabat-** » Fri Mar 26, 2021 3:23 am

With the last extra money of my tax return, I caved in for a MP-49 Nemesis Prime.

I got it from Mandarake and despite the hefty DHL shipping and the sureshot custom fees, it's the best overall price. I did want MP-44 but without having to pay DOUBLE for a trailer that I'll never display. So Nemesis was the best alternative. Plus his knee problem is fixed. I'm looking forward to transform the guy! 8-)

News Credits: 18 · by **blackeyedprime** » Fri Mar 26, 2021 4:35 am

Cool on raidan YAY, as for jetfire I think im good with my £45 Wfc version (that and he is already next to mp starsabre).

News Credits: 1641 · by **D-Maximal_Primal** » Sun Mar 28, 2021 1:55 pm

Still interested in Raiden, looking forward to seeing what they put out.

Skyfire is a waste of a slot considering the Siege on exists

News Credits: 97 · by **-Kanrabat-** » Sun Mar 28, 2021 2:07 pm

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Skyfire is a waste of a slot considering the Siege on exists

It's like saying SS86 Grimlock is a waste because the MP exist.
It's comparing apples to oranges.

News Credits: 22 · by **Rodimus Prime** » Sun Mar 28, 2021 2:16 pm

-Kanrabat- wrote:
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Skyfire is a waste of a slot considering the Siege on exists

It's like saying SS86 Grimlock is a waste because the MP exist.
It's comparing apples to oranges.

Exactly. SS Grimlock is miles ahead of Siege Jetfire in terms of quality.

News Credits: 1641 · by **D-Maximal_Primal** » Sun Mar 28, 2021 2:23 pm

-Kanrabat- wrote:
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Skyfire is a waste of a slot considering the Siege on exists

It's like saying SS86 Grimlock is a waste because the MP exist.
It's comparing apples to oranges.

Not in Skyfires case. The Siege on is literally MP scale, he is Star Saber sized. He's the size of the 3P MP ones too.

this is a case of literal apples to apples.

News Credits: 97 · by **-Kanrabat-** » Sun Mar 28, 2021 2:35 pm

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Skyfire is a waste of a slot considering the Siege on exists

It's like saying SS86 Grimlock is a waste because the MP exist.
It's comparing apples to oranges.

Not in Skyfires case. The Siege on is literally MP scale, he is Star Saber sized. He's the size of the 3P MP ones too.

this is a case of literal apples to apples.

The only info we gave so far is that MP Skyfire is "United Warrior sized". This mean nothing.
Beside, the MP will not be made out of semi-soft plastics with hollow spaces all over the place.

News Credits: 1641 · by **D-Maximal_Primal** » Sun Mar 28, 2021 2:37 pm

-Kanrabat- wrote:
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Skyfire is a waste of a slot considering the Siege on exists

It's like saying SS86 Grimlock is a waste because the MP exist.
It's comparing apples to oranges.

Not in Skyfires case. The Siege on is literally MP scale, he is Star Saber sized. He's the size of the 3P MP ones too.

this is a case of literal apples to apples.

The only info we gave so far is that MP Skyfire is "United Warrior sized". This mean nothing.

If he is the size of UW Devastator, then he fails at his mission.

If he is the size of a standard combiner, which is Commander Skyfire, 3P MP, and MP Star Saber sized, then he is comparable to the Siege one.

News Credits: 1350 · by **ZeroWolf** » Sun Mar 28, 2021 2:41 pm

-Kanrabat- wrote:
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:
-Kanrabat- wrote:
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:Skyfire is a waste of a slot considering the Siege on exists

It's like saying SS86 Grimlock is a waste because the MP exist.
It's comparing apples to oranges.

Not in Skyfires case. The Siege on is literally MP scale, he is Star Saber sized. He's the size of the 3P MP ones too.

this is a case of literal apples to apples.

The only info we gave so far is that MP Skyfire is "United Warrior sized". This mean nothing.
Beside, the MP will not be made out of semi-soft plastics with hollow spaces all over the place.

It was confirmed that unite Warrior size refers to Raiden. Jury is out on skyfire. He could be even bigger since Takara know people will pay it.