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News Credits: 100 · by **-Kanrabat-** » Mon Nov 04, 2019 7:07 pm

D-Maximal_Primal wrote:I too would want them to go one release at a time over the course of a year or so. That would be the smart choice. Don't slam them all out at once either

It's not just a matter of overwhelming the customer. The toy makers themselves would make one hell of a gamble to spend YEARS doing the concept, prototyping, and manufacturing 5 over-engineered bots. Then they would release the team as a 1000$ set and not many would be able to buy the thing. Resulting in HasTak losing money and cancelling the combiners altogether.

So, one bot at a time, slowly, is the best solution for both the customer and the manufacturer.

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Mon Nov 04, 2019 11:32 pm

At the very least, the Aerialbot limbs could share some engineering to save on engineering costs.

News Credits: 6 · by **AllNewSuperRobot** » Tue Nov 05, 2019 4:40 am

-Kanrabat- wrote: To soften the blow, they should release the Scramble City combiners first. One and one teams at the same time, one pair of bots at a time. I'd vote for Bruticus VS Defensor first.

Sabrblade wrote:At the very least, the Aerialbot limbs could share some engineering to save on engineering costs.

We all know who the first one would be. The Gestalt that is ALWAYS first... :roll:

News Credits: 1350 · by **ZeroWolf** » Tue Nov 05, 2019 5:10 am

I thought his Takara Unite Warriors release was supposed to be his masterpiece toy

then again that was before mp-44 and the new drive to be completely toon accurate as possible

News Credits: 100 · by **-Kanrabat-** » Tue Nov 05, 2019 5:21 am

ZeroWolf wrote:I thought his Takara Unite Warriors release was supposed to be his masterpiece toy then again that was before mp-44 and the new drive to be completely toon accurate as possible

There's also the scale issue with Devastator. Each members would be as big as Optimus and would most likely be 250$-300$ EACH as a result.

News Credits: 6 · by **AllNewSuperRobot** » Tue Nov 05, 2019 5:24 am

ZeroWolf wrote: the new drive to be completely toon accurate as possible

Of course, the One Thing Everyone wanted...

News Credits: 19 · by **MadProject** » Tue Nov 05, 2019 4:54 pm

ZeroWolf wrote:I thought his Takara Unite Warriors release was supposed to be his masterpiece toy then again that was before mp-44 and the new drive to be completely toon accurate as possible

If I'm right, they mentioned about using some ideas they had for an eventual MP-Devastator for the UW.

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Tue Nov 05, 2019 5:09 pm

MadProject wrote:
ZeroWolf wrote:I thought his Takara Unite Warriors release was supposed to be his masterpiece toy then again that was before mp-44 and the new drive to be completely toon accurate as possible

If I'm right, they mentioned about using some ideas they had for an eventual MP-Devastator for the UW.

Hasui had design ideas for a potential MP Devastator and used those ideas in designing UW Devastator, as it was determined that UW Devastator would probably be the closest opportunity Hasui would get in actually making a MP Devastator.

News Credits: 19 · by **MadProject** » Wed Nov 06, 2019 1:38 pm

Sabrblade wrote:
MadProject wrote:
ZeroWolf wrote:I thought his Takara Unite Warriors release was supposed to be his masterpiece toy then again that was before mp-44 and the new drive to be completely toon accurate as possible

If I'm right, they mentioned about using some ideas they had for an eventual MP-Devastator for the UW.
Hasui had design ideas for a potential MP Devastator and used those ideas in designing UW Devastator, as it was determined that UW Devastator would probably be the closest opportunity Hasui would get in actually making a MP Devastator.

Do you think he meant that as "I probably won't be working here anymore by the time Takara will design a MP Devastator" or as "it's basically impossible that we'll see a MP Devastator due the costs of producing it"?

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Wed Nov 06, 2019 1:45 pm

MadProject wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
MadProject wrote:
ZeroWolf wrote:I thought his Takara Unite Warriors release was supposed to be his masterpiece toy then again that was before mp-44 and the new drive to be completely toon accurate as possible

If I'm right, they mentioned about using some ideas they had for an eventual MP-Devastator for the UW.
Hasui had design ideas for a potential MP Devastator and used those ideas in designing UW Devastator, as it was determined that UW Devastator would probably be the closest opportunity Hasui would get in actually making a MP Devastator.

Do you think he meant that as "I probably won't be working here anymore by the time Takara will design a MP Devastator" or as "it's basically impossible that we'll see a MP Devastator due the costs of producing it"?

It was probably "This is the closest we may ever get to actually making a MP Devastator, so I better make the most of this opportunity to make this UW Devastator as close to a reasonable stand-in for a legit MP Devastator."

News Credits: 6 · by **AllNewSuperRobot** » Wed Nov 06, 2019 5:25 pm

That is also why they would (theoretically) use Devastator and NOT a Scramble City Gestalt as the first MP. It requires a bit more engineering than to have a specific bot for a given limb. Which would mean a lot more work for MP standard. To be honest I've never really seen the merit in Scramble City Combiners. The limbs are interchangeable but they typically only look decent with certain bots in certain places anyway. So the element of "choice" is ultimately superfluous.

News Credits: 1350 · by **ZeroWolf** » Wed Nov 06, 2019 5:51 pm

I think had the idea gone ahead in diaclone the colour schemes would have been crazy, though strictly speaking the idea of having spare limbs or the ability to use other combiner limbs has merit M, as it means that one fatality won't cripple the whole team.

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Wed Nov 06, 2019 6:03 pm

I think the original intention of the gimmick in Jizai Gattai was to allow for kids to mix and match their own combinations for variety and imagination, rather than strictly grouping together all of the limbs and torsos into assigned unit. Sure, they probably still would have been for marketing purposes, but I would imagine that the intent was to encourage kids to also mix and match limbs and torsos as though variety was the main selling point gimmick.

News Credits: 6 · by **AllNewSuperRobot** » Wed Nov 06, 2019 6:11 pm

Indeed. But some bots clearly look better as a leg than an arm and vice-versa. So the mix and match gimmick was purely a marketing one. For all the talk of 'variety' I'd imagine most people probably ended with the exact same combination as the fan next to them.

Piranacon being a good example of that.

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Wed Nov 06, 2019 6:22 pm

While he had the gimmick, Piranacon, wasn't part of the original line-up for Jizai Gattai.

News Credits: 387 · by **Bounti76** » Tue Nov 26, 2019 2:49 pm

Thanks to eagle-eyed Seibertronian Bucky, we have some very interesting news to report. As can be gathered by the title of this story, there has been a listing created for the previously unannounced MP-49, which site sponsor BBTS has as Black Convoy! It's fairly safe to assume that this figure will be a "Nemesis Prime" recolor of MP-44 (aka Convoy/Optimus Prime 3.0) in his traditional black, teal, and red colors. The previous Black Convoy Masterpiece figure is shown below.

What do you all think of this out-of-nowhere listing? Will it turn out to be genuine? Are you excited about this potential figure? Let us know below, and stay tuned to Seibertron.com for the latest in Transformers news!

News Credits: 6 · by **AllNewSuperRobot** » Tue Nov 26, 2019 2:53 pm

I'm sceptical about it, because it has a real number. The Prime redeco/Nemesis MP is typically MP-10B, for example. So this one would naturally be MP-44B, not its own number.

News Credits: 1350 · by **ZeroWolf** » Tue Nov 26, 2019 2:58 pm

Unless they gave it its own number so that something else could have the number 50 slot

by **angtre** » Tue Nov 26, 2019 3:23 pm

Maybe it'll be a different mold of some sort?

A RiD Scourge-inspired one perhaps, maybe with a different trailer?

News Credits: 456 · by **Sabrblade** » Tue Nov 26, 2019 3:23 pm

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I'm sceptical about it, because it has a real number. The Prime redeco/Nemesis MP is typically MP-10B, for example. So this one would naturally be MP-44B, not its own number.

I'd normally agree, but MP-38 kinda threw any and all rationalization for the ID number system out the window.

News Credits: 25 · by **Ironhidensh** » Tue Nov 26, 2019 4:43 pm

I'd be almost willing to bet money its just a repaint. The number system means absolute jack **** to Takara, so never assign any meaning to it.

On the plus side, for those of you (justifiably) turned off by the price, maybe this one will not come with a trailer and all the accessories, and thus be a $100 or so cheaper?

News Credits: 100 · by **-Kanrabat-** » Tue Nov 26, 2019 6:21 pm

Ironhidensh wrote:I'd be almost willing to bet money its just a repaint. The number system means absolute jack **** to Takara, so never assign any meaning to it.

On the plus side, for those of you (justifiably) turned off by the price, maybe this one will not come with a trailer and all the accessories, and thus be a $100 or so cheaper?

I would like a MP-44 Nemesis Prime that have NO trailer nor extra bits appart the axe and the gun. Then make it 50% cheaper and you get a sale.
However, maybe Takara will troll us by making him a full set that is DOUBLE the normal price because it will be a something-or-other exclusive.

News Credits: 3 · by **Wireless_Phantom** » Tue Nov 26, 2019 6:35 pm

-Kanrabat- wrote:
Ironhidensh wrote:I'd be almost willing to bet money its just a repaint. The number system means absolute jack **** to Takara, so never assign any meaning to it.

On the plus side, for those of you (justifiably) turned off by the price, maybe this one will not come with a trailer and all the accessories, and thus be a $100 or so cheaper?

I would like a MP-44 Nemesis Prime that have NO trailer nor extra bits appart the axe and the gun. Then make it 50% cheaper and you get a sale.
However, maybe Takara will troll us by making him a full set that is DOUBLE the normal price because it will be a something-or-other exclusive.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't MP10B the same price as MP10 without the trailer and stuff?