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fenrir72 wrote:The international market (cough cough like the USA?) deep spenders? HasTak take over the MP duties? You a jokin' right?! Only market that outpaces Japan ( in fact, JP TF market is like a distant 3rd after Gundam and Eva and moe) for TF stuff is the Chinese (Mainland and a little bit, HK)
Takara will focus on the sure fire money makers like G1 for the MP line! BW sure got a lot of loving recently but it's still trucks over monkeys in the long run!
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:I wouldn't count Lucky Draws along with normal release figures since they're meant to be super special "contest" figures so limited in quantity that they may as well not even be a thing if only a small handful of the richest folks alive can get their hands on 'em.
megamanfan wrote:oh. oh baby. oh yeeeeeees. the beast mode will probably be a panelly mess like most other BW masterpieces, but damn that robot mode.
megamanfan wrote:oh. oh baby. oh yeeeeeees. the beast mode will probably be a panelly mess like most other BW masterpieces, but damn that robot mode.
So small? He was the second-tallest of the Season 1 Predacons before Inferno showed up. Only his toy was little.ZeroWolf wrote:There is going to have to be some cheating with him but I'm willing to let it slide since terrasaur is so small
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:fenrir72 wrote:The international market (cough cough like the USA?) deep spenders? HasTak take over the MP duties? You a jokin' right?! Only market that outpaces Japan ( in fact, JP TF market is like a distant 3rd after Gundam and Eva and moe) for TF stuff is the Chinese (Mainland and a little bit, HK)
Takara will focus on the sure fire money makers like G1 for the MP line! BW sure got a lot of loving recently but it's still trucks over monkeys in the long run!
Actually, when I said "global" I was referring to all countries outside of Japan. Which includes China and doesn't refer to the US alone, as that would be asinine to equate with that descriptive.
I'm sure to people far more invested in the day to day minutiae of the toyline, there are more than trivial differences between Takara and Hasbro. However, that is none of my concern and when I say "HasTak" I refer to both of them equally. They are the only names that are synonymous with the entire series within pop culture.
Now as for the out of context Gewunner BS of the last paragraph. The answer is no, Takara doesn't focus on G1 over everything else.
Let's give you some facts.
The Beast Wars MP line started with Primal in 2016. With Megatron's release, that will bring the mainline roster to 4. The entire cast of Beast Wars Season 1 was 14. So that would be roughly a third of the cast completed in the MP line within two years.
Ignoring the obvious caveat that Beast Wars IS G1 also. The G1 MP line started with Prime back in 2003. 15 years later they haven't even finished the cast of Season 1. That shows real focus to me...![]()
No you could decry "Smaller cast" but that is largely a moot point. The first six BW MP figures have been four original characters and two repaint/retools.
MP-32 Convoy/Primal - 2016
MP-34 Cheetus/Cheetor - 2017
MP-38 Convoy/Primal Legendary Leader Ver.
MP-41 Dinobot - 2018
MP-34S Shadow Panther - 2018
MP-43 Megatron - TBC
The first six 'G1' figures:
MP-1 Convoy - 2003
MP-1 Gold Convoy - 2004
MP-2 Ultra Magnus - 2005
MP-3 Starscream - 2006
MP-4 Convoy Perfect Edition - 2006
MP-5 Megatron - 2007
Four out of the initial six are Optimus Prime. The facts demonstrate, based on sales or popularity, one of these lines is being given preferential treatment. The other, even today, is being padded out with retools and repaints. So who has Takara's focus?
Sabrblade wrote:So small? He was the second-tallest of the Season 1 Predacons before Inferno showed up. Only his toy was little.ZeroWolf wrote:There is going to have to be some cheating with him but I'm willing to let it slide since terrasaur is so small
It's like Mainframe took his and Scorponok's toy sizes and switched them around for their cartoon models, making the Mega class Scorponok into the smallest Season 1 Predacon until Blackarachnia made him the second-smallest.
fenrir72 wrote:Not focus on G1? G1 BS?6 out of 43 are G1 (Movie series not included )in the main 43 count. Just 14% out of 100% is BW themed. 14%. 14%. 14%!!!!!!!!!
That makes it 86% of Takara's main effort is on G1. Heck, even the non popular G1 bots like Inferno get first dibs in the 3D treatment over the more popular one like Jazz and it still sells! Not seeing Takara go full throttle over, let's say BW Inferno.![]()
I'm loving the MP BW efforts myself (Got big munkky ver. 1, preordered Dinobot and sure as heck gonna get Megs) but G1 will always be the sure fire sellout investment for the MP series.(Almost forgot, Starsaber is a Japancentric G1 example too.......Poll based choice which was a runaway hit in Japan!) Still G1!
Takara must have those market analysts who do the thinking when plotting their next 2 years money making plan for the company. Feedback from gaijin sites like this don't matter squat unfortunately.
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:fenrir72 wrote:Not focus on G1? G1 BS?6 out of 43 are G1 (Movie series not included )in the main 43 count. Just 14% out of 100% is BW themed. 14%. 14%. 14%!!!!!!!!!
That makes it 86% of Takara's main effort is on G1. Heck, even the non popular G1 bots like Inferno get first dibs in the 3D treatment over the more popular one like Jazz and it still sells! Not seeing Takara go full throttle over, let's say BW Inferno.![]()
I'm loving the MP BW efforts myself (Got big munkky ver. 1, preordered Dinobot and sure as heck gonna get Megs) but G1 will always be the sure fire sellout investment for the MP series.(Almost forgot, Starsaber is a Japancentric G1 example too.......Poll based choice which was a runaway hit in Japan!) Still G1!
Takara must have those market analysts who do the thinking when plotting their next 2 years money making plan for the company. Feedback from gaijin sites like this don't matter squat unfortunately.
Yeah, it was mainly G1, but now they started Beast Wars, which has sold, and as I stated earlier in my response, several Beast Wars characters, such as Dinobot, Primal, and Waspinator, have proven more popular than G1 characters in several online poles.
And since they started the BW MPs, at #32, there have been 5 in the main numbering system and 1 in the MP-##-something list, out of the 12 since 32.
In short, once Primal hit, 5 of the last 12 numbered MPs have been BW, which does have a much smaller cast to work with, 6 have been G1, and then we have 4 confirmed movie MPs in that same timeframe. In reality, it looks like they are balancing out 3 different types of MPs, and they are doing it well for whatever reason, whether it be licensing or popularity.
So while they will still do G1, they clearly recognize there are fans now willing and ready to buy MPs from other sources, and they are fulfilling that market. And they are killing it too.
fenrir72 wrote:Hey DMax, what I said! But we's all talking here about MP mainline. Businesses will always focus on sure fire moneymakers. Currently, their choices for BW are are surefire hits but still, they will just comprise at max 20% of the line. It will always be G1. Even the curreent PotP, still G1. etc etc
In the end, just how many of the BW are sure to sell?
This is no Gwunner BS I speaking of unlike our very ESTEEMED ALLNEWSUPERROBOT who seems apt to fire from the hip with insults yet so easily melts away knowing his argument is as stable as Starscream's grip on the Decepticon leadership!
shajaki wrote:I find it odd that we are even discussing/arguing this. I feel the way the MP line has gone, to be a rather fluid evolution. The expansion to other branches just seems natural.
Besides, seeing an MP S1 Optimus Primal be made is a lot less surprising than a G1 Grapple. So saying that the MP BW doesn't have far to go before it's exhausted or people lose interest is ridiculous.
MP Grapple people.
fenrir72 wrote:Hey DMax, what I said! But we's all talking here about MP mainline. Businesses will always focus on sure fire moneymakers. Currently, their choices for BW are are surefire hits but still, they will just comprise at max 20% of the line. It will always be G1. Even the curreent PotP, still G1. etc etc
In the end, just how many of the BW are sure to sell?
This is no Gwunner BS I speaking of unlike our very ESTEEMED ALLNEWSUPERROBOT who seems apt to fire from the hip with insults yet so easily melts away knowing his argument is as stable as Starscream's grip on the Decepticon leadership!
ZeroWolf wrote:They never got toys though...or even animated. So far the g2 elements have just been so they could reuse the molds
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