The Energon Pub

[Glyph]

Anyway, the Primes. Do we know if this will be feeding into the Age of the Primes toyline?

See here.

Cheers, I really meant design-wise rather than whether they get figures at all. I don't keep up with all the toy news so don't know whether we have any info on TF:One synergy. But I presume since they run from Deluxe up to Leader that they will get some proper designs of their own!

the subline

It isn't a subline. It's the next main line after Legacy United.

Yeah OK, I stand corrected. That's splitting hairs even for you

[Bumblevivisector]

Regardless of what future toys this portends, that pic of Quintus reaffirms my decision to hold on to good ol' Alpha Q. Was there ever any proposed fiction that might have repuruposed said Energon toy into Quintus Prime, ala Protoform Op into Prima?

[JazZeke]

There are definitely days where you type out a whole thing and then think better of it.


Anyway, the Primes. Do we know if this will be feeding into the Age of the Primes toyline? Seems like a good opportunity to do some synergy. TBH the 13 have always been a part of TF lore that I find spectacularly uninteresting, but I will still be curious to see how they handle the subline (comparing to the POTP microfigs, at least).

Some things are best left shrouded in the mystery of mythology, and the Thirteen Primes are definitely one of those things (see also: the pre-Hartnell live of the Doctor from Doctor Who). Any time Hasbro has tried to flesh out the Primes, they lose their enigma.

Case in point: The Fallen, starting out as the mysterious powerful Judas sporting a Satanic flame motif, and gradually evolving into "Megatronus," the incel of the group who betrayed them because the chick Prime friendzoned him.

[-Kanrabat-]

Case in point: The Fallen, starting out as the mysterious powerful Judas sporting a Satanic flame motif, and gradually evolving into "Megatronus," the incel of the group who betrayed them because the chick Prime friendzoned him.

But this time around, it wasn't Megatronus the traitor, but the usual suspect.

[JazZeke]

Case in point: The Fallen, starting out as the mysterious powerful Judas sporting a Satanic flame motif, and gradually evolving into "Megatronus," the incel of the group who betrayed them because the chick Prime friendzoned him.

But this time around, it wasn't Megatronus the traitor, but the usual suspect.

Megatronus' final thought:

[Glyph]

Some things are best left shrouded in the mystery of mythology, and the Thirteen Primes are definitely one of those things (see also: the pre-Hartnell live of the Doctor from Doctor Who). Any time Hasbro has tried to flesh out the Primes, they lose their enigma.

Case in point: The Fallen, starting out as the mysterious powerful Judas sporting a Satanic flame motif, and gradually evolving into "Megatronus," the incel of the group who betrayed them because the chick Prime friendzoned him.

Dangit, I wish the forums had a Like button.

[#1 Signal Lancer fan]

A part of Transformers One that a lot of fans have rallied behind is the handling of the 13 Primes and turning them into legendary heroes, along with their new designs.

I do have some mixed feelings about the thirteen in this movie, but that may just be because I expected to see what we've seen in other continuities. Spoilers below.

I really loved their designs (especially my boy Vector Prime). I liked that they were legendary heroes. I loved the portrayal of the one we see, Alpha Trion. And more than anything, I loved that Optimus was not a reincarnate of the thirteenth prime.

What I did not like: Primarily, that the Thirteenth were so recent. I love the 13 being ancient entities, rather than ones that were dispatched not all that long ago. I don't like that Sentinel was an outsider, I've always liked the "one of the thirteen betrayed the others" story. Making "Sentinel" actually be The Fallen/Megatronus or Leige Maximo (the Prime known for lying) could have remedied this. Lastly, I've always liked the Greek God-esque "Each Prime has their thing" (Prima is the leader, Vector has time and space, Trion is the storytellers, etc.) While their are elements of this in the movie (Megatronus is said to be the strongest, Alhpa Trion tells a story, Onyx resembles an animal and Micronus is small), they don't seem to be leaning into it. For example, Onyx is traditionally the beast former, but Alpha Trion turns into a beast as well. Additionally, he tells a story but doesn't seem to be known as a storyteller.

I do wonder about Quintus Prime and his relation to the Quintessons, if there is any.

[blackeyedprime]

Might just be me, but I still have no interest or dis-interest in transformers one. 13 Primes has never been a thing for me either, totally lost on me. Cool robot toys are always good, so there is that.

[Sabrblade]

What I did not like: Primarily, that the Thirteenth were so recent. I love the 13 being ancient entities, rather than ones that were dispatched not all that long ago.

Yeah, every time the movie mentioned "cycle" took me out of it for a bit. Probably the most famous uses of "cycle" before now were in Beast Wars and Animated, in which it was roughly the equivalent of one minute. Going by that, the Primes have only been gone for less than an hour.

Looking at other uses of it, Simon Furman defined 1 cycle as being 1 hour and 15 minutes (1.25 hours) in IDW1 comics, the Marvel UK story "Target: 2006" identified 10 cycles as being 5 Earth days (which would make 1 cycle = 12 Earth hours), Brian Ruckley said 1 cycle is 1 day (but shorter than an Earth day) for IDW2, and the Dreamwave Energon comics used "cycles" to refer to "years".

Going by all of that, the Energon comics' usage feels the closest to this movie's use of "cycle", as we also know it can't be the Cybertronian word for "day" since D-16 uses the word "day" in the same context as it's used by us Earth humans.

However, my inner nerd still feels that only 50 years isn't nearly long enough. We need a length of time long enough not just for the Primes to disappear but also for the collective memory of the entire population of Iacon City to completely forget that miners were ever born with cogs, as well as enough time for the mining industry to really take off become a fully integrated part of Cybertron's society to the point that it doesn't feel like some new development at all.

At minimum, I'd say 1 cycle in this movie's universe should equal no less than 1 decade, meaning 50 cycles would be 5 centuries. Or if we want to go bigger, 1 cycle could be 1 century, making the 50 cycles be 5000 years. That sure seems big enough.

Buuuuuuuuuuuuut, it was probably just meant to be "years" (I'm sticking with "cycle = decade" until we get official word on the matter).

I don't like that Sentinel was an outsider, I've always liked the "one of the thirteen betrayed the others" story. Making "Sentinel" actually be The Fallen/Megatronus or Leige Maximo (the Prime known for lying) could have remedied this.

I mean, it still rather fits with most other depictions of Sentinel Prime being jerks and false Primes:

• IDW1 Sentinel Prime: eventually revealed to have been a straight-up fascist.
• Animated Sentinel Prime: a selfish, arrogant bully who worked his way to the top and tried to seize power for himself.
• DOTM Sentinel Prime: struck a deal with Megatron to enslave humanity, believing Cybertronian life was the superior race.
• Aligned Sentinel Zeta Prime: Probably the most decent of these flawed Sentinels, but was never a true Prime to begin with, having been installed as a puppet ruler by the Quintessons before he led the revolt against them. He tried his best to run Cybertron but faced many challenges in the process, challenges that left marks on his reputation in the eyes of the public. Most notably, he continued to enforce the caste system that had left Cybertron society unjust and unequal.

Lastly, I've always liked the Greek God-esque "Each Prime has their thing" (Prima is the leader, Vector has time and space, Trion is the storytellers, etc.) While their are elements of this in the movie (Megatronus is said to be the strongest, Alhpa Trion tells a story, Onyx resembles an animal and Micronus is small), they don't seem to be leaning into it. For example, Onyx is traditionally the beast former, but Alpha Trion turns into a beast as well. Additionally, he tells a story but doesn't seem to be known as a storyteller.

I do wonder about Quintus Prime and his relation to the Quintessons, if there is any.

I feel like most of this might have been left deliberately vague and unexplored in this movie in order to either let sequel films explore them better, or to let the mystery and enigmatic intrigue of the Thirteen remain mysterious and mythical.

[Sabrblade]

A part of Transformers One that a lot of fans have rallied behind is the handling of the 13 Primes and turning them into legendary heroes, along with their new designs. Fans have wanted a better look at them, since the movie rarely gave a clear shot of them, and now we have a great look at Micronus and Quintus. These character models are on cards though its unclear if these cards are physical or digital. We also have a screenshot of the thirteen from the film with their names labelled.

Hopefully we see more of these cards and maybe even get the toys one day.

In addition to the above, there's these:

[william-james88]

The past week-end was disappointing for Transformers One at the box office. As many Hollywood pundits have said, it's unfortunate that a film that had such a great reception did so poorly. Especially when this is in the same brand where films that were panned by critics and fans made over a billion dollars.
All this just goes for domestic numbers because the film has yet to open on major markets internationally (like China and the UK). Now that the week-end is done, we know that the international markets it did open in(which includes the Philippines, Vietnam and Mexico) added $14M to the global box office, making Transformers One's total nearing the $40M mark. We will see if the good word of mouth will have an impact on this upcoming week-end's numbers.

Speaking of that word of mouth, it really is something else. The audience score on Rotten Tomatoes (verified reviewers) is 98%. Not only that but we even have Kojima's blessing. For those not in the know, Hideo Kojima is one of the most celebrated game designers of all time. He is behind the Metal Gear Solid franchise and offers his quick reviews on Twitter. For this film, he said it reminded him of X-Men First Class, which is his favorite X-Men film. You can see the tweet here.



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GYEdVr1aUAAUEZ7?format=jpg&name=large

[#1 Signal Lancer fan]

At minimum, I'd say 1 cycle in this movie's universe should equal no less than 1 decade, meaning 50 cycles would be 5 centuries. Or if we want to go bigger, 1 cycle could be 1 century, making the 50 cycles be 5000 years. That sure seems big enough.

Buuuuuuuuuuuuut, it was probably just meant to be "years" (I'm sticking with "cycle = decade" until we get official word on the matter).

Yeah, I definitely feel like a century would make the most sense. Like you said, it would have to be long enough for everyone to forget that miners were born without t-cogs. So, unless there was some memory-wiping happening, Sentinel would need to be the oldest living Transformer in Iacon.

I mean, it still rather fits with most other depictions of Sentinel Prime being jerks and false Primes

Oh yeah, its definitely in character for Sentinel. I just mean I like the idea of a traitor being from within the thirteen rather than an outsider (in this case, their assistant.)

[Glyph]

*images of character cards*

Interesting that there seem to be at least 4 sets of these - the Primes cards are (unsurprisingly) numbered 0xx/013; Chromia, Sideswipe and (presumably) Sunstreaker are numbered 0xx/045; Ironhide 0xx/035; and the Gold Tracker(?) is 0xx/019. The various Autobots all appear to be on holo/foil cards, and the Gold Tracker is possibly lenticular?

Different sets of pack-ins or collectable cards sold separately? (If any of the Chinese text on the cards explains this, I unfortunately can't read it.)

A whole bunch of stuff in spoiler tags

Cough, cough

[#1 Signal Lancer fan]

Cough, cough

Oh yeah, I know there's a spoiler thread and have posted there. I was just discussing the above conversation here because it was directly related to the current conversation in this thread.

[-Kanrabat-]

Despite the low theatrical turnout, I'm sure TF1 will be a cult classic that will make its money in the long run.

[Quantum Surge]

[SkyFire Prime]

It's criminal what that first trailer did to damage TFONE, it's THE best Transformers Movie period. And I'm including 86 and all the live action movies. It's also just a great movie. And In desperately want a sequel, and for this to be the begining of solid universal cannon.

[cloudballoon]

It's criminal what that first trailer did to damage TFONE, it's THE best Transformers Movie period. And I'm including 86 and all the live action movies. It's also just a great movie. And In desperately want a sequel, and for this to be the begining of solid universal cannon.

I wonder about the real effects of the 1st trailer for "fans" vs. the non-fans though. I'd bet the people that most vehemently against the 1st trailer are those "fans" that only care for a TF media presented to them "their way" and just plain refuse to try and/or support anything too different from what they hope for.

The non-fans proabably just care whether trailer(s) show them if there's enough appeal for kids but got enough plot for the adults to also have a good time. And on that, I think the 1st trailer was... fine? At least that's what I think why the 1st trailer is too saturated wiht jokes.

[Glyph]

More character cards, from Xitter:
Hound (miner), Ironhide (miner), Arcee (miner)
Thundercracker, Skywarp
Arcee, Wheeljack
Release announcement(?), also shows several other types

(ETA: Ah, I see Protoman has a podcast out now about them as well - added & updated a couple more pictures below from that video)

These all appear to be a line from Kayou trading cards, who already did some previous Transformers sets. Poster says they're already out in China, but they don't seem to be on Kayou's official site yet (am looking for a direct link).

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[Glyph]

So if I'm understanding this right, there seems to be at least 10 sets within the TFO01 range (11 card styles seen so far):

SR x 45 - Static poses of bots in their miner forms
SSR x 35 - Action poses of upgraded forms
TP x 13 - The Primes
SE x ?? - Special Edition, signed voice actor cards
XR x 4 - Main cast upgraded form, metal art cards
UR x 17 - Upgraded bot & alt form
UR* x 10 - Upgraded bot & alt form, fancier backgrounds
SHR x 6 - Lenticular cards showing transformations
HR x 19 - More lenticular(?) cards with background characters? Includes the Gold Tracker card above

Also 2 different styles in the bottom left of the promo image that don't seem to match any of the others above but aren't specifically listed.

(Attached new images from Protoman video here as the post above hit its limit... Ugh, wish I could post to a gallery instead. If any mods need to tidy this up, feel free)

[Glyph]

(testing, don't mind me)

[Big Grim]

While the trailers didn't wow me, I figured I'd see it eventually, feeling it was a bit more for the kids(which is 100% fine. It's toys. It brings more people to the franchise.) but the reviews and word of mouth have me much more interested now. I WAS shocked to see it's no out in the UK for another two weeks though! That's bananas!

~ Grim

[ScottyP]

So if I'm understanding this right, there seems to be at least 10 sets within the TFO01 range (11 card styles seen so far):

SR x 45 - Static poses of bots in their miner forms
SSR x 35 - Action poses of upgraded forms
TP x 13 - The Primes
SE x ?? - Special Edition, signed voice actor cards
XR x 4 - Main cast upgraded form, metal art cards
UR x 17 - Upgraded bot & alt form
UR* x 10 - Upgraded bot & alt form, fancier backgrounds
SHR x 6 - Lenticular cards showing transformations
HR x 19 - More lenticular(?) cards with background characters? Includes the Gold Tracker card above

Sounds like a Kayou card set, yep! HR cards are lenticular and in past sets have typically been (roughly) one per pack. They're generally made more like thin credit cards than the rest. SHR is the same thing but with a much smaller number distributed randomly.

And when I say "distributed randomly" with Kayou sets, whoo boy, is it ever. I don't recommend anyone trying to complete their sets. You could do it with 12 boxes (90 cards per box plus a random box topper), or it could take 30. Or 7. Or 50. Or 100

[Glyph]

Ah, cheers - trading cards are a closed book to me. And likely to remain so at an estimated $35 per box times however many it might take...

[ScottyP]

Ah, cheers - trading cards are a closed book to me. And likely to remain so at an estimated $35 per box times however many it might take...

If you get them on Aliexpress they're much cheaper, especially if you get several boxes at once. Anywhere from $11-15 per box, usually. I don't think this set is up there yet? Might be and I just don't see it from a quick scan over the "Kayou Transformers" results page. They have a lot of product now - RotB set, 3 pan-generational sets (mostly G1), various promo things, and now TF One product.

Edit: I think I found the TF One boxes here: https://www.aliexpress.us/item/3256807604521125.html Roughly $15 per box if you buy the thing of 4 boxes. Only 50 cards per box in these though, blegh. Not sure what the significance of the different characters on the box is.