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Burn wrote:Sigma Magnus wrote:As for the Prime Master gimmick...I do feel like it was a good concept. But it really should have been a Cyber Key/Mini-Con sort of thing.
Please don't say that. Those gimmicks hindered what could have been fantastic figures if they didn't have to engineer around the gimmick.
Wolfman Jake wrote:william-james88 wrote:This is my main problem with this line. Their over arching gimmick is just aesthetic and doesnt really contribute to anything (and I dont think it looks any good when used, like on the Prime Armour). The Titan master were heads, thats a pretty big deal. But these prime masters dont add anything significant. They end up actually being better used on Titans return Overlord than any other toy in POTP so far.
To be fair, though, even Headmasters (Titan Masters) are really just an aesthetic gimmick for Transformers toys. It seems like a bigger deal to us now because it was a big deal for a couple of years during the G1 line. Adding a Head/Titan Master doesn't do anything but make part of the transformation process "partsforming." Swapping heads around doesn't usually look right on figures they don't originally belong to, just as strange as the "Prime Armor" accessories look slapped on Deluxe Class figures' bellies.
william-james88 wrote:So now that people have the leaders, what are your thoughts on them. I personally find them both underwhelming so I am curious if I am maybe not seeing something or if people agree.
Also, currently writing a top 5 list for best Hot Rod/ Rodimus toys and I dont know if 5th place should go to Leader Rodimus or Energon Hot Rod. I am wondering which is a better toy, and I am not sure. probably the leader but he has so many flaws that I dont know if they are a bigger issue than Energon Rodimus' lack or articulation.
Same with Voyager Starscream. Lots of feedback on Grimlock, but little on his wave mate.
Sabrblade wrote:I agree about the Mini-Con activation gimmick hindering most of the Armada figures, but the Cyber Key gimmick was mostly non-intrusive for the much better articulated Cybertron figures.Burn wrote:Sigma Magnus wrote:As for the Prime Master gimmick...I do feel like it was a good concept. But it really should have been a Cyber Key/Mini-Con sort of thing.
Please don't say that. Those gimmicks hindered what could have been fantastic figures if they didn't have to engineer around the gimmick.
william-james88 wrote:Rated X wrote:These figures homage 1980s characters and are mostly bought by adult collectors in their 40s.
Rated X wrote:Nothing Rated X says makes sense. Ignore him guys...
Wolfman Jake wrote:
So, overall, my assessment of the first two Leader Class figures for Power of the Primes is thus:
They are first and foremost great toys with a lot of playability options. Secondarily, they can be good display pieces and offer a lot of different display options, though some are better than others in each individual case. These are definitely NOT Masterpieces, in any sense of the term, but they aren't "bad" figures, and they're certainly not "bad" toys. If you love Transformers at all, Evolution Optimus Prime and Evolution Rodimus Prime are not a waste of your money or time, in my honest opinion.
bodrock wrote:I always intended on picking up Optimus, but it may be hard to resist Rodimus now -- thanks for the details and thoughts, Wolfman Jake!
william-james88 wrote:Wolfman Jake wrote:
So, overall, my assessment of the first two Leader Class figures for Power of the Primes is thus:
They are first and foremost great toys with a lot of playability options. Secondarily, they can be good display pieces and offer a lot of different display options, though some are better than others in each individual case. These are definitely NOT Masterpieces, in any sense of the term, but they aren't "bad" figures, and they're certainly not "bad" toys. If you love Transformers at all, Evolution Optimus Prime and Evolution Rodimus Prime are not a waste of your money or time, in my honest opinion.
Thanks a lot for that Jake! Do you mind if I truncate that into a paragraph for an upcoming list ?
TF-fan kev777 wrote: Or, not sugarcoating it as you call it, which is really just internet for acting like an a-hole.
william-james88 wrote:If ever Sabrblade decides to go on vacation, I am glad to know we can rely on you.
Transformers already have a great gimmick, they transform. I may be the only one, but that's all I ever wanted. Can't they just stop there?Burn wrote:Sigma Magnus wrote:As for the Prime Master gimmick...I do feel like it was a good concept. But it really should have been a Cyber Key/Mini-Con sort of thing.
Please don't say that. Those gimmicks hindered what could have been fantastic figures if they didn't have to engineer around the gimmick.
carytheone wrote:Transformers already have a great gimmick, they transform. I may be the only one, but that's all I ever wanted. Can't they just stop there?Burn wrote:Sigma Magnus wrote:As for the Prime Master gimmick...I do feel like it was a good concept. But it really should have been a Cyber Key/Mini-Con sort of thing.
Please don't say that. Those gimmicks hindered what could have been fantastic figures if they didn't have to engineer around the gimmick.
Skritz wrote:As for the gimmick-hate, I can understand, but find it highly misplaced from Geewunners given how much gimmickry that toyline had. Of course, their excuse is that the 'real G1' (anything pre-movie) had no gimmicks. Except, again, this is absolutely untrue as Combiners were introduced before the movie and are arguably the first major line-wide, non-transformation-related gimmick. Of course there are good gimmicks and bad gimmicks, but at least this isn't Armada-level of bad.
TF-fan kev777 wrote:Rated X wrote:Nothing Rated X says makes sense. Ignore him guys...
Not quite. It would be more like, "Nothing Rated X ever says is positive, just bitching and moaning. Ignore him guys..."
See when 99.9% of your posts are not only negative, but seem to go out of your way to bash Hasbro/Takara, and now other members of the boards, I gets hard to even pay attention to you. Which is sad because many of your points have some merit. But one can't even read your points without the condescending, know-it-all attitude dripping through just about everything you post.
That is why most of the board seems to rail against your posts. It isn't your points, it is the internet-tough-guy type attidude you use in making your points. Or, not sugarcoating it as you call it, which is really just internet for acting like an a-hole.
william-james88 wrote:TF-fan kev777 wrote: Or, not sugarcoating it as you call it, which is really just internet for acting like an a-hole.
Referring to baldspots dont help either. But I dont think his post is for me since I still have a full head of lovely hair.
carytheone wrote:Transformers already have a great gimmick, they transform. I may be the only one, but that's all I ever wanted. Can't they just stop there?Burn wrote:Sigma Magnus wrote:As for the Prime Master gimmick...I do feel like it was a good concept. But it really should have been a Cyber Key/Mini-Con sort of thing.
Please don't say that. Those gimmicks hindered what could have been fantastic figures if they didn't have to engineer around the gimmick.
Skritz wrote:All I'll say again is that if people badly want more show-accurate, high-end engineering toys then it's Masterpiece you have to look at because there is absolutely no way to ever make something like this function at a retail price. Now could HasTak make better figures? Oh absolutely they could but I suspect the popularity of Transformers since 2007 is mildly backfiring from having to split budget between several toylines.
But let's not pretend that people pushing a 'pure, transformation-only' shtick are generally hardcore Geewunners would would rather see the '84 Autobot Cars cast redone again. Without line-wide gimmicks there would be much less reason for Hasbro to remake things like the original Headmasters. Sure we got a Generations Voyager Brainstorm a while back but that was Thrilling 30 where they flat out and went in making all sort of weird and unique stuff from all across the franchise as a 30th anniversary celebration.
As for the gimmick-hate, I can understand, but find it highly misplaced from Geewunners given how much gimmickry that toyline had. Of course, their excuse is that the 'real G1' (anything pre-movie) had no gimmicks. Except, again, this is absolutely untrue as Combiners were introduced before the movie and are arguably the first major line-wide, non-transformation-related gimmick. Of course there are good gimmicks and bad gimmicks, but at least this isn't Armada-level of bad.
And yes, I know, again one could look at Masterpieces and Third Party figures. But my point is that this is a completely different market from mass retail figures. Anyone who is in this to be a hardcore 'adult collector' absolutely should turn to Masterpieces and Third Party. However, not everyone is willing to dive into that. Some of us also don't have the money and/or shelf space or just like to collect retail figures.
Rated X wrote:When saying my comments are condensing and I come off as an a-hole, I ask you this:
Are my comments any different from the leader of the free world sending out a tweet to the "little rocket man" ?
william-james88 wrote:Thats what they did with both the Robots in Disguise warrior class and legion class and yet fans avoided that toyline like the plague.
Rated X wrote:TF-fan kev777 wrote:Rated X wrote:Nothing Rated X says makes sense. Ignore him guys...
Not quite. It would be more like, "Nothing Rated X ever says is positive, just bitching and moaning. Ignore him guys..."
See when 99.9% of your posts are not only negative, but seem to go out of your way to bash Hasbro/Takara, and now other members of the boards, I gets hard to even pay attention to you. Which is sad because many of your points have some merit. But one can't even read your points without the condescending, know-it-all attitude dripping through just about everything you post.
That is why most of the board seems to rail against your posts. It isn't your points, it is the internet-tough-guy type attidude you use in making your points. Or, not sugarcoating it as you call it, which is really just internet for acting like an a-hole.
When saying my comments are condensing and I come off as an a-hole, I ask you this:
Are my comments any different from the leader of the free world sending out a tweet to the "little rocket man" ?
Wouldnt it be safe to say Im a product of the society where I come from, rather than accusing me of purposely trying to sound like a "tough guy"?
And it doesnt exactly help when someone tries to shove their local values and ediquite down my throat from 10,000 miles away. (Not you particularly but it has been done before)
On the flip side I appreciate you admitting I have some valid points. Thank you for that.
o.supreme wrote:william-james88 wrote:Thats what they did with both the Robots in Disguise warrior class and legion class and yet fans avoided that toyline like the plague.
I avoided RiD15 because the toys to me seemed cheap (my son had some mini-cons and Deployers and the quality/detail was just not-the-same as Generations). Also it was based on a mediocre at best animated series. I was midly excited for the Combiner Force, but when I saw Ultra-Bee & Menasor were basically happy-meal toy level toys, YES I avoided them like the plague.
william-james88 wrote:If ever Sabrblade decides to go on vacation, I am glad to know we can rely on you.
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