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william-james88 wrote:Agamemnon wrote:william-james88 wrote:Is that cheaper? Shipping must be a real pain. Plus with BBTS for wave two, they dont let you buy figures individually, you have to buy the whole case of deluxes (and end up with doubles).
Plus, you can buy Snarl from amiami for the same price as BBTS and I am certain shipping within japan from amiami is cheaper than shipping from the US
amiami http://www.amiami.com/top/detail/detail ... agecnt%3D1
bbts: http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/Product/V ... ails/68771
For the bolded part, are you talking Hasbro or Takara Power of the Primes? 'Cause I just looked and it appears only singles of Takara are available (with many sold out), and on the Hasbro side, you can still just preorder Wave 2 sets, no duplicates, of all of the size classes including deluxes, with a few individual ones available (like Rodimus Unicronus). Or was the comment in reference to something else?
[Edit] Link to PotP Wave 2: http://www.bigbadtoystore.com/Product/VariationDetails/68755
I am talking about Hasbro only. Because since the guy asking a question is in Japan, I wouldnt think he would buy Takara figures from BBTS and have them ship to Japan.
Hence why all of these questions confuses the **** out of me. They are the same toys. So if you are in the US, buy the Hasbro release from a US retailer. And if you are in Japan, buy the takara release from a Japanese retailer. I have no clue why anything else would be considered.
Also, this is the Legends thread. So, let this be the end of the POTP discussion here. If anyone wants to continue it or respond, then simply quote this and copy paste it in the POTP thread.
You're right there. Just to clarify, I wanted to know if it was the same price or cheaper to import the (identical) US POTP figures to Japan, or buy the (identical) Japanese POP (Power of Primes) in Japan. Usually, Japanese TFs are a little more expensive than US ones.
Ironically, if all these new toys are identical, maybe there won't be a need for two threads!?
Yes, but the upcoming new line isn't called "Legends", it's called "Power of (the) Primes".
I'm not requesting a new thread, just pointing out that the figures MIGHT be the same and the name MIGHT be similar, so who knows about what happens to the threads? No problem either way, though.
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Bounti76 wrote:I don't get the distribution for this case. It would have made more sense for all the Terrorcons to have been in the same wave, at 2 per case, and for Wave 2 to have been 2 each of Blackwing, Sludge, Snarl and Moonracer.
I get that she's not nearly as popular or anticipated as Arcee was, but shortpacking her in a case, when she's never had a mass-released toy, and this is her first toy in over 33 years of having appeared in fiction.... just rubs me the wrong way. Also makes me think that Firestar will get the same treatment in Wave 4.
I do get the need for more variety compared to Combiner Wars, but there may may be factors in play that made Wave 2 the way it is:
- The release of Hun-Gurrr in Wave 2 necessitates the release of another Terrorcon
- The release of Elita-1 in Wave 2 resulted in Moonracer added into the mix
- With the apparent goal of having a combiner completed in two waves (Dreadwing and Volcanicus), Blackwing and the final 2 Dinobots are thrown in.
About Moonracer and Blackwing being shortpacked, that may stem from beasts being new and a possible bigger sell. What may also play is the trend of female characters in boy's toy lines not selling. No kidding, I'm seeing RiD Windblades en masse compared to the rest of the line's leftovers. Worse, a certain competitor has started shortpacking female character toys for its lines for boys, so it's not limited to Transformers.
Bounti76 wrote:JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Bounti76 wrote:I don't get the distribution for this case. It would have made more sense for all the Terrorcons to have been in the same wave, at 2 per case, and for Wave 2 to have been 2 each of Blackwing, Sludge, Snarl and Moonracer.
I get that she's not nearly as popular or anticipated as Arcee was, but shortpacking her in a case, when she's never had a mass-released toy, and this is her first toy in over 33 years of having appeared in fiction.... just rubs me the wrong way. Also makes me think that Firestar will get the same treatment in Wave 4.
I do get the need for more variety compared to Combiner Wars, but there may may be factors in play that made Wave 2 the way it is:
- The release of Hun-Gurrr in Wave 2 necessitates the release of another Terrorcon
- The release of Elita-1 in Wave 2 resulted in Moonracer added into the mix
- With the apparent goal of having a combiner completed in two waves (Dreadwing and Volcanicus), Blackwing and the final 2 Dinobots are thrown in.
About Moonracer and Blackwing being shortpacked, that may stem from beasts being new and a possible bigger sell. What may also play is the trend of female characters in boy's toy lines not selling. No kidding, I'm seeing RiD Windblades en masse compared to the rest of the line's leftovers. Worse, a certain competitor has started shortpacking female character toys for its lines for boys, so it's not limited to Transformers.
While that does make sense, it would have been easy enough to simply repack Grimlock in with Elita One, as two Dinobots are in this wave as well, and it would have given Moonracer another slot in the case- not to mention that Grimlock is much more popular than all the revealed Voyagers save maybe Starscream. Then Hun-Grrr could have been released as one or both the Voyagers in Wave 3, with all the Terrorcons. Combiner Wars managed to do it with the Protectobots and Combaticons, I don't see why a simple reshuffling of Voyagers and Deluxes between Waves 2 and 3 couldn't have taken place. It would have made for much more balanced distribution.
mordhelm wrote:On that note, didn't they (Hasbro) decide early on in the CW releases that releasing the teams separately was a mistake, and they needed to keep them together (which was why the Protectobots, 84-bots, Combaticons, and Sky Reign all released together). I am curious why that decision has been changed/reversed.
william-james88 wrote:mordhelm wrote:On that note, didn't they (Hasbro) decide early on in the CW releases that releasing the teams separately was a mistake, and they needed to keep them together (which was why the Protectobots, 84-bots, Combaticons, and Sky Reign all released together). I am curious why that decision has been changed/reversed.
Thats when you realize that Hasbro is just a name we give to whoever is running the show at the time. The person who said that was Jerry Jivoin, who was in charge of the TF Brand and who fully meant that. However, he is now in charge of all marketting of Hasbro Italy and Ben Montano replaced him and clearly does not think the same way as his predecessor.
So there you go, thats why things changed.
Re: Concept Sketches of Transformers Power of the Primes Rodimus Prime by Emiliano Santalucia (1935189)
Posted by Lunatic Prime on February 1st, 2018 @ 2:33am CSTRodimus Prime wrote:
So right now there is no PotP Red Swoop in existence, nor are there plans for one, either in the US or in Japan?![]()
I want my Red Swoop, dammit!
If they'll do a box set for Volcanicus with G2 Grimmy, Slag and Snarl they might include toy version Swoop with the red torso and visored head instead of a made up new G2 version of him.
COMMANDER wrote:Man, I wish TAK-BRO would have adhered more to the concept. Having the Matrix mount inside of Hot-Rod's hood vs. the back of the Rodimus shell would have made the toy more G1-esque...Of course, what does it matter since he's destined to become Rodimus Unicronus anyway
I think I would have been happier if they just released the latter w/2 versions of Hot-rod;(good/bad.)
BTW @ Rodimus:
Re: Concept Sketches of Transformers Power of the Primes Rodimus Prime by Emiliano Santalucia (1935189)
Posted by Lunatic Prime on February 1st, 2018 @ 2:33am CSTRodimus Prime wrote:
So right now there is no PotP Red Swoop in existence, nor are there plans for one, either in the US or in Japan?![]()
I want my Red Swoop, dammit!
If they'll do a box set for Volcanicus with G2 Grimmy, Slag and Snarl they might include toy version Swoop with the red torso and visored head instead of a made up new G2 version of him.
See the following link regarding your red Swoop: http://comic-cons.xyz/transformers-powe ... -dinobots/. Just remember, the original G1 Dinobot Team was released in red only because it was a DiaClone re-use, the cartoon and subsequent toy releases-even the 2nd run G1 release- all favoured the blue Swoop.
Bradimus wrote:I know this goes against the usual quarterly seasonal wave releases but maybe the person in charge right now is learning from the lost TR wave 5 and doesn't want that to happen again?
Or am I being too optimistic?
Bradimus wrote:Do we know when wave 3 is scheduled for release?
william-james88 wrote:Bradimus wrote:Do we know when wave 3 is scheduled for release?
Everything is here
https://www.seibertron.com/transformers ... nts/39844/
The line will run for more than just this year.
Bradimus wrote:william-james88 wrote:Bradimus wrote:Do we know when wave 3 is scheduled for release?
Everything is here
https://www.seibertron.com/transformers ... nts/39844/
The line will run for more than just this year.
Thanks for that list as always.![]()
What I don't get is whypacks mixes the deluxes in most waives. I understand they don't want homogeneous waves of 4 of the same type of robot but with a little planning and advertising on the boxes and web they could be very successful doing something like this:
My version of Wave 1:
VoyagerGrimlock
Starscream
Include advertising on the voyager boxes for Abominus so parents can give their kids a choice, buy Dinobots now or wait until wave 2 in the spring for the Terrorcons.
DeluxeAll 4 Deluxe Dinobots
Dinobot Slug [Slag]
Dinobot Sludge
Dinobot Snarl
Dinobot Swoop
LegendsDinobot Slash
Skrapnel
Beachcomber
Windcharger
LeaderOptimus Prime
Rodimus Prime
Prime MastersLiege Maximo with Skullgrin Decoy Armor
Micronus Prime with Cloudburst Decoy Armor
Vector Prime with Metalhawk Decoy Armor
Now I fully understand the argument against releasing a homogeneous combiner in two consecutive waves but looking at the variety of other types of vehicles in the overall line and the Prime Masters I think parents are smart enough to understand Volcanicus is wave 1 and Abominus is wave 2 so if they can only afford one for the year they can make the decision for or with their kids.
That brings ups to my version of Wave 2:
VoyagerTerrorcon Hun-Gurr
Elita-1
Again, advertise the combined modes (especially Abominus) and maybe show off some limbs from wave 3 and maybe wave 4 for Elita-1 to use.
DeluxeAll 4 Deluxe Terrorcons
Terrorcon Rippersnapper
Terrorcon Blot
Terrorcon Cutthroat
Sinnertwin
LegendsBattleslash
Roadtrap
Tailgate
LeaderRodimus Unicronus
Optimus Prime (I guess)
Prime MastersAlchemist Prime with Submarauder Decoy Armor
Alpha Trion with Landmine Decoy Aromor
Again, another wave with an entire combiner well advertised in advance so kids and parents can choose or even get both with lots of bargaining and arrangement of wishlists for family to see before birthdays.
The last wave I can take a shot at is Wave 3:
VoyagerInferno
Grimlock (I guess)
Advertise combiners with limbs from this wave and the next (with coming this fall for the wave 4 limbs). A big problem withis keeping some things secret too long as we get deeper into the line like they did with Titans Return.
DeluxeAutobot Jazz
Dreadwind
Blackwing
Moonracer
LegendsCindersaur
Outback
LeaderOptimal Optimus
Rodimus Prime (I guess)
Prime MastersQuintus Prime with Bludgeon Decoy Armor
Megatronus with Bomb-Burst Decoy Armor
Solus Prime with Octopunch Decoy Armor
Reorganizing makes wave 3 the first to have different options for deluxe class toys with cars and jets. But I think completing the first two major combiners one wave at a time would work better for everyone. Kids love dinosaurs and I think they love monsters, too. If anything it's the vehicles that might get hurt. I'd look at repackaging the figures that make up Volcanicus and Abominus for the holiday season. As for other options, leader and legends class figures provide different options as do the Prime Masters themselves, with the decoy armors having different looks and transforming into different guns and melee weapons. The variety is already built in, it's the distribution where the real problems seem lie.
But this is all just one fan/collector's opinion. Feel free to agree, disagree, or rip apart my waves with better logic. I'm curious what others think about all of this and I have clearly been inspired by other posters in this thread regarding distribution and what we learned from Combiner Wars to share my thoughts with you in detail.
bodrock wrote:OMG, had no idea the toy pics were out there! Thank you, Emerje.
She's a day-one purchase for me.
Albatross250 wrote:bodrock wrote:OMG, had no idea the toy pics were out there! Thank you, Emerje.
She's a day-one purchase for me.
i can't wait for Elita-1
Rodimus Prime wrote:Are there any plans for a complete Nightbeat release in this line?
william-james88 wrote:Rodimus Prime wrote:Are there any plans for a complete Nightbeat release in this line?
Hasbro confirmed the headmaster gimmick wont be revisited in this line. And there is currently no indication of getting a nightbeat in POTP.
Albatross250 wrote:And here i'm expecting there will be some changes on the 3rd wave, i either expect Shockwave as a voyager or some new molds (Flywheels etc.) i just hope.
primalxconvoy wrote:However, we've not had all the Headmaster characters released fully yet. That could mean that both Duocons may not get released either.
ZeroWolf wrote:primalxconvoy wrote:However, we've not had all the Headmaster characters released fully yet. That could mean that both Duocons may not get released either.
Which headmasters are missing beside scorpoknok? All the main ones were done I think
primalxconvoy wrote::oops:ZeroWolf wrote:primalxconvoy wrote:However, we've not had all the Headmaster characters released fully yet. That could mean that both Duocons may not get released either.
Which headmasters are missing beside scorpoknok? All the main ones were done I think
Headmaster Juniors, Apeface, Snapdragon.
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