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Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Or they could devote a flashback issue to Predaking, set in the past.
RAR wrote:I think it's time some people realised that IDW has gone off the range and stopped paying attention to them. They are at best described as "a bit silly".
I 'might' buy the idea that the Matrix in the persona of the "The Oracle of Cybertron" or "after Over-Run merged with it" or even as Vector Sigma could be a sentient being. but at best it's mind is like a childs or it's made of pure emotion and not rational thought.
I suppose one could (at a stretch) say that the Matrix is a thing in a round about way but you open up all sorts of can'o worms if you go there (which is why I'd really prefer that IDW showed a bit more self restraint). etc
Kurona wrote:True. Advertising is a more apt description of what the Marvel comics were
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Kurona wrote:True. Advertising is a more apt description of what the Marvel comics were
And they did that well, especially with lesser known toys getting bigger roles and interesting storylines, like the Wreckers, the Matrix Quest and Klo. But that's for a different thread.
What fiction has treated the Matrix in that way, though?RAR wrote:I didn't really make my point well the core of what I was saying is that I wish that any fiction would take a lot of care to not make it "appear" that the Matrix is puppeting the person it chose (I assume it's OK to call a Transformer a person).
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
The gimmick is basically what we saw happen in Transformers: The Movie. Hot Rod got the Matrix and it evolved him into a bigger and stronger form with a new name, Rodimus Prime. Whenever he'd lose the Matrix in Season 3, his bigger and stronger Rodimus Prime form would devolve back to his original smaller Hot Rod form. There's no reason to assume that there's any mind-possession or puppeteering involved. It's basically just the Transformers equivalent of "Mario + Super Mushroom = Super Mario" in toy gimmick form.RAR wrote:I'm really missing the mark here again it seems.
I'm talking about the 'Evolution' gimmick of the toys and speculating it's intended to represent a moment in time or a regular occurrence for Orion Pax to Become Optimus and then Orion and then Optimus and so on & On.... (likewise Hot Rod / Rodimus) Then I just observed that if that is the case there is some ramifications of how one would see the function or ability of a Matrix to do that.
The IDW genderal comment was directed as a reply to an earlier post.
Basically I had them in mind when the thoughts crossed my mind of the story implication of evolution/devolution as a play pattern, either in fiction terms or just in general as it applies to how the Characters are intended to be seen or played with by the consumer by Hasbro.
Since intention doesn't always jell with the physical toy or the fiction - sometimes they wildly differ (like Beast Hunters).
So I guess I'm just pondering on what Hasbro is thinking we are supposed to think about the Evolution gimmick in general in terms of both a toy-story concept and as an idea and in a broader - how does this effect the Transformers Universe sense.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:The gimmick is basically what we saw happen in Transformers: The Movie. Hot Rod got the Matrix and it evolved him into a bigger and stronger form with a new name, Rodimus Prime. Whenever he'd lose the Matrix in Season 3, his bigger and stronger Rodimus Prime form would devolve back to his original smaller Hot Rod form. There's no reason to assume that there's any mind-possession or puppeteering involved. It's basically just the Transformers equivalent of "Mario + Super Mushroom = Super Mario" in toy gimmick form.RAR wrote:I'm really missing the mark here again it seems.
I'm talking about the 'Evolution' gimmick of the toys and speculating it's intended to represent a moment in time or a regular occurrence for Orion Pax to Become Optimus and then Orion and then Optimus and so on & On.... (likewise Hot Rod / Rodimus) Then I just observed that if that is the case there is some ramifications of how one would see the function or ability of a Matrix to do that.
The IDW genderal comment was directed as a reply to an earlier post.
Basically I had them in mind when the thoughts crossed my mind of the story implication of evolution/devolution as a play pattern, either in fiction terms or just in general as it applies to how the Characters are intended to be seen or played with by the consumer by Hasbro.
Since intention doesn't always jell with the physical toy or the fiction - sometimes they wildly differ (like Beast Hunters).
So I guess I'm just pondering on what Hasbro is thinking we are supposed to think about the Evolution gimmick in general in terms of both a toy-story concept and as an idea and in a broader - how does this effect the Transformers Universe sense.
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Sabrblade wrote:The gimmick is basically what we saw happen in Transformers: The Movie. Hot Rod got the Matrix and it evolved him into a bigger and stronger form with a new name, Rodimus Prime. Whenever he'd lose the Matrix in Season 3, his bigger and stronger Rodimus Prime form would devolve back to his original smaller Hot Rod form. There's no reason to assume that there's any mind-possession or puppeteering involved. It's basically just the Transformers equivalent of "Mario + Super Mushroom = Super Mario" in toy gimmick form.RAR wrote:I'm really missing the mark here again it seems.
I'm talking about the 'Evolution' gimmick of the toys and speculating it's intended to represent a moment in time or a regular occurrence for Orion Pax to Become Optimus and then Orion and then Optimus and so on & On.... (likewise Hot Rod / Rodimus) Then I just observed that if that is the case there is some ramifications of how one would see the function or ability of a Matrix to do that.
The IDW genderal comment was directed as a reply to an earlier post.
Basically I had them in mind when the thoughts crossed my mind of the story implication of evolution/devolution as a play pattern, either in fiction terms or just in general as it applies to how the Characters are intended to be seen or played with by the consumer by Hasbro.
Since intention doesn't always jell with the physical toy or the fiction - sometimes they wildly differ (like Beast Hunters).
So I guess I'm just pondering on what Hasbro is thinking we are supposed to think about the Evolution gimmick in general in terms of both a toy-story concept and as an idea and in a broader - how does this effect the Transformers Universe sense.
In fiction, it basically boils down to "whoever has the Matrix is the 13th and final Prime". I believe in the IDW comics the Torchbearers, especially Pyra Magna, have a special interest in whoever that may be, so that aspect is already in place.
Skrapnel also has a Liege Maximo card. The cards are gonna come with every PotP toys packed at random, with each figure coming with a card for a different Prime. So anyone who wants to collect all the Prime cards for each figure is gonna have to do some double-dipping to get all the Prime cards for every figure.JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:One thing to note, is that Optimus Prime may be part of the Thirteen in the Aligned Continuity, the IDW one does not per se. Instead, we have the Arisen: that is the one who's represented by the Matrix of Leadership, and could be anyone.
Speaking of Primes, another has been (accidentally) confirmed: Onyx Prime
Rather fitting for Skrapnel, as he's the Beast Mode Prime.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Skrapnel also has a Liege Maximo card. The cards are gonna come with every PotP toys packed at random, with each figure coming with a card for a different Prime. So anyone who wants to collect all the Prime cards for each figure is gonna have to do some double-dipping to get all the Prime cards for every figure.JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:One thing to note, is that Optimus Prime may be part of the Thirteen in the Aligned Continuity, the IDW one does not per se. Instead, we have the Arisen: that is the one who's represented by the Matrix of Leadership, and could be anyone.
Speaking of Primes, another has been (accidentally) confirmed: Onyx Prime
Rather fitting for Skrapnel, as he's the Beast Mode Prime.
ultraimpossibleman wrote:Grand innacurration and heavy mistakes !
Diem wrote:This is exactly the kind of nonsense I'm here for.
Qwan wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Skrapnel also has a Liege Maximo card. The cards are gonna come with every PotP toys packed at random, with each figure coming with a card for a different Prime. So anyone who wants to collect all the Prime cards for each figure is gonna have to do some double-dipping to get all the Prime cards for every figure.JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:One thing to note, is that Optimus Prime may be part of the Thirteen in the Aligned Continuity, the IDW one does not per se. Instead, we have the Arisen: that is the one who's represented by the Matrix of Leadership, and could be anyone.
Speaking of Primes, another has been (accidentally) confirmed: Onyx Prime
Rather fitting for Skrapnel, as he's the Beast Mode Prime.
Heck, there's gonna be tridecadipping going on if this is correct. I pity the poor variant collectors...
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