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Postby bodrock » Mon Jan 01, 2018 11:34 pm

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I already must have Abominus, but I would have to buy an update for Piranacon and Monstructor -- here's hoping.
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Postby ebo716 » Tue Jan 02, 2018 12:44 am

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bodrock wrote:I already must have Abominus, but I would have to buy an update for Piranacon and Monstructor -- here's hoping.

At nycc, when they showed off Cuttroat, he had a head based off of Wildfly from the Pretender Monsters, so we are most likely getting Monstructor in some form.
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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Leaks, Rumours, Reveals, and More

Postby JelZe GoldRabbit » Tue Jan 02, 2018 1:41 am

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bodrock wrote:I already must have Abominus, but I would have to buy an update for Piranacon and Monstructor -- here's hoping.

At nycc, when they showed off Cuttroat, he had a head based off of Wildfly from the Pretender Monsters, so we are most likely getting Monstructor in some form.


At the very least he was considered in the design, that's something.
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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Leaks, Rumours, Reveals, and More

Postby Munkky » Tue Jan 02, 2018 11:10 am

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Skritz wrote:One gets the impression Hasbro did indeed drop the ball for the end of the Prime Wars trilogy and I suspect this is probably the result of poor planning/not knowing what the main gimmick of the last one should be, resulting in them mashing everything together in hope it works. That said, the fact we're at least getting (at least) two more pre-existing Combiners who didn't show up in CW is still a plus: Abominus and Predaking are 100% confirmed with Monstructor somewhat hinted by an odd Cutthroat-with-Wildfly-head and Piranacon as pure speculation right now.

Honestly, if they wanted to make Combiner Wars 2.0 they should just have done so, given that people complain about characters whose nature as a combiner torso make them weaker figures. Granted, Dinobot combiner is exactly where I'd go if I was Hasbro and realized most named combiners left are Decepticons. So, really, even in the hypothetical scenario I do think we'd have ended with a Dinobot combiner. Predaking as a regular CW combiner could have certainly filled waves and they could have potentially used him as a basis for a new combiner to fill the Autobots rank which brings me to the frankly wasted potential of a CW 2.0: we could have had entirely new stuff and saved all the bitching from 'waah they ruined a Starscream/Jazz' because at least it would have been a line upfront about doing unfinished or new combiner teams rather than use existing characters as combiner components, which was something which had already sat poorly with fans during Combiner Wars.

Of course this lead to the problem of Leader class figures not integrating with the gimmick when all you do are combiners, which is why I think they wanted to keep the TR elements with the Prime Masters, Enigma and Matrices. Which I do not one bit hate. But! But, one get the impression the planning was certainly poor and that PotP was the rushed finale since the leader evolution+not!powermaster gimmicks make one seriously wonder why the **** a Powermaster Optimus remake wasn't in this line. Had it been planned properly from the get go, he would have made more sense: that way a PM Optimus could have a proper Powermaster, same with Overlord and we'd have been spared the wonkyness that is Orion-Optimus Evolution.


The way I see it, Power of the Primes has been okay so far, but I'd prefer if the Prime Masters did something other than just clipping into things, if they were more like Mini-Cons or Cyber Planet Keys where plugging them in to somewhere unlocks a hidden feature on the main toy. Personally I'm tired of Combiners, so when I do get every PotP Dinobot I don't intend to display them as Volcanicus, or even combine them at all, but that's just me.
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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Leaks, Rumours, Reveals, and More

Postby bodrock » Tue Jan 02, 2018 11:23 am

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JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:
ebo716 wrote:
bodrock wrote:I already must have Abominus, but I would have to buy an update for Piranacon and Monstructor -- here's hoping.

At nycc, when they showed off Cuttroat, he had a head based off of Wildfly from the Pretender Monsters, so we are most likely getting Monstructor in some form.


At the very least he was considered in the design, that's something.


I'm keeping my fingers crossed on this!

As for Prime Masters, I'm surprised Target imposed a street date on them, making them unavailable for sale. Sounds like a data entry error to me. My TRU actually got them first and no issues buying from them.

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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Leaks, Rumours, Reveals, and More

Postby Rodimus Knight » Tue Jan 02, 2018 12:07 pm

So this whole thing with Battle Trap, gives me hope that they might do the Multiforce from Transformers Victory. It would be really cool, especially if they can work them into the combiner mode as well.
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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Leaks, Rumours, Reveals, and More

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bodrock wrote:As for Prime Masters, I'm surprised Target imposed a street date on them, making them unavailable for sale. Sounds like a data entry error to me. My TRU actually got them first and no issues buying from them.


Undoubtedly, someone derpped on that. It's frustrating that Target can't seem to figure out how to undo it, at least not in a timely manner.
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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Leaks, Rumours, Reveals, and More

Postby bodrock » Tue Jan 02, 2018 1:25 pm

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No Leader love in Oregon. No traces of Prime Masters, Deluxes or Legends, either. Only Voyager Starscreams.
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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Leaks, Rumours, Reveals, and More

Postby william-james88 » Tue Jan 02, 2018 1:58 pm

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bodrock wrote:As for Prime Masters, I'm surprised Target imposed a street date on them, making them unavailable for sale. Sounds like a data entry error to me. My TRU actually got them first and no issues buying from them.


Undoubtedly, someone derpped on that. It's frustrating that Target can't seem to figure out how to undo it, at least not in a timely manner.

It is definitely an error on their part. No one else has a street date like that on these. Maybe they got confused with Wave 2 or something.

Munkky wrote:The way I see it, Power of the Primes has been okay so far, but I'd prefer if the Prime Masters did something other than just clipping into things, if they were more like Mini-Cons or Cyber Planet Keys where plugging them in to somewhere unlocks a hidden feature on the main toy. .


This is my main problem with this line. Their over arching gimmick is just aesthetic and doesnt really contribute to anything (and I dont think it looks any good when used, like on the Prime Armour :SICK: ). The Titan master were heads, thats a pretty big deal. But these prime masters dont add anything significant. They end up actually being better used on Titans return Overlord than any other toy in POTP so far.
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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Leaks, Rumours, Reveals, and More

Postby Burn » Tue Jan 02, 2018 2:46 pm

171 pages, everyone enjoying their first wave ... and still no sign of them in Australia.

Any day now ...

If you live in a capital city, or not too far from one.
Which isn't me. May as well just wait for TT.
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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Leaks, Rumours, Reveals, and More

Postby o.supreme » Tue Jan 02, 2018 2:53 pm

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Burn wrote:171 pages, everyone enjoying their first wave ... and still no sign of them in Australia.


Well I've only seen the smaller ones if that makes you feel any better, no voyagers or leaders in my area.....

So, is it too early to start talking about Toy Fair? Just 46 days away! - We'll probably get full blown PotP wave 2 and 3 reveals and packaging, and hopefully a look at Predaking. I'm hoping for some news in early January from :TAKARATOMY: regarding their plans for any possible Voyager or combiner team packaging...but I guess we'll see.
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Postby william-james88 » Tue Jan 02, 2018 3:04 pm

So now that people have the leaders, what are your thoughts on them. I personally find them both underwhelming so I am curious if I am maybe not seeing something or if people agree.

Also, currently writing a top 5 list for best Hot Rod/ Rodimus toys and I dont know if 5th place should go to Leader Rodimus or Energon Hot Rod. I am wondering which is a better toy, and I am not sure. probably the leader but he has so many flaws that I dont know if they are a bigger issue than Energon Rodimus' lack or articulation.

Same with Voyager Starscream. Lots of feedback on Grimlock, but little on his wave mate.
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Postby Burn » Tue Jan 02, 2018 3:10 pm

o.supreme wrote:
Burn wrote:171 pages, everyone enjoying their first wave ... and still no sign of them in Australia.


Well I've only seen the smaller ones if that makes you feel any better, no voyagers or leaders in my area.....

But you've seen SOME. So no, that does not make me feel better. [-(
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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Leaks, Rumours, Reveals, and More

Postby Wolfman Jake » Tue Jan 02, 2018 3:28 pm

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william-james88 wrote:This is my main problem with this line. Their over arching gimmick is just aesthetic and doesnt really contribute to anything (and I dont think it looks any good when used, like on the Prime Armour :SICK: ). The Titan master were heads, thats a pretty big deal. But these prime masters dont add anything significant. They end up actually being better used on Titans return Overlord than any other toy in POTP so far.


To be fair, though, even Headmasters (Titan Masters) are really just an aesthetic gimmick for Transformers toys. It seems like a bigger deal to us now because it was a big deal for a couple of years during the G1 line. Adding a Head/Titan Master doesn't do anything but make part of the transformation process "partsforming." Swapping heads around doesn't usually look right on figures they don't originally belong to, just as strange as the "Prime Armor" accessories look slapped on Deluxe Class figures' bellies. Transformers toys haven't really had any kind of compelling "action" gimmick line-wide since Transformers: Cybertron with the Cyber Planet Keys. A return to that wouldn't be the worst thing in the world, but adding in worthwhile "action features" to figures is going to mean compromise when it comes to things like sculpting, articulation, and poseablity.

The Power of the Primes line feels very disjointed, that's for sure. Every size class seems to be doing something radically different, where as with Titans Return, all Deluxes, Voyagers, and Leaders had Titan Master partners. The Titan Master Class were extra heads with added accessories for the bigger sized classes. The only odd ones out were the Legends figures, which were simply a larger means of conveyance for Titan Masters than their transforming weapons. Compare this to Combiner Wars, where the only two size classes that really mandatorily interacted were the Deluxes and Voyagers. Only a small handful for Legends figures served as weapons or armor for the Combiners. The Leader figures had nothing to do with combination whatsoever, except maybe Ultra Magnus with a little Minimus Ambus figure inside. There wasn't even a $5.00 price point size class yet.

I think Power of the Primes is somewhere in between the uniformity of the Titans Return line and the barebones minimum thematic relationship of Combiner Wars in terms of cross size class interaction and playability. Every size class in PotP directly interacts with at LEAST one other size class. The Prime Masters can "accessorize" any Deluxe, Voyager, or Leader figure, whether that be as an ornament on armor, on gauntlets, in an Enigma Chamber, or in a Matrix of Leadership. Their accompanying Pretender shells can become weapons for any larger size class, Legends through Leader. The Legends figures again can be personal transportation for the smallest size class, the Prime Masters, just like in Titans Return. Deluxes and Voyagers obviously interact again in terms of combining with each other in Scramble City fashion to create combiners, both classic, new, and anything you can imagine. The Leaders now have a new thematic gimmick that puts them in the spotlight as "evolved" forms due to interaction with the Matrix of Leadership. That's the most interesting they've been, unless you were really in love with the "base modes" from Titans Return.

The Prime Wars Trilogy peaked with Titans Return. Power of the Primes as a follow up doesn't quite hold a candle to that, but it's definitely far better thought out and implemented than Combiner Wars was overall.
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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Leaks, Rumours, Reveals, and More

Postby carytheone » Tue Jan 02, 2018 3:55 pm

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william-james88 wrote:
Wolfman Jake wrote:
bodrock wrote:As for Prime Masters, I'm surprised Target imposed a street date on them, making them unavailable for sale. Sounds like a data entry error to me. My TRU actually got them first and no issues buying from them.


Undoubtedly, someone derpped on that. It's frustrating that Target can't seem to figure out how to undo it, at least not in a timely manner.

It is definitely an error on their part. No one else has a street date like that on these. Maybe they got confused with Wave 2 or something.
Yes, no, maybe? When I picked up some wave 1 legend class figures, they had a stock date (three days from the day I got them) and I had to have them get them out of the warehouse. Their system did allow me to buy them though. Could be a thing they are doing :-?
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Postby Rated X » Tue Jan 02, 2018 6:58 pm

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william-james88 wrote:
Wolfman Jake wrote:
bodrock wrote:As for Prime Masters, I'm surprised Target imposed a street date on them, making them unavailable for sale. Sounds like a data entry error to me. My TRU actually got them first and no issues buying from them.


Undoubtedly, someone derpped on that. It's frustrating that Target can't seem to figure out how to undo it, at least not in a timely manner.

It is definitely an error on their part. No one else has a street date like that on these. Maybe they got confused with Wave 2 or something.

Munkky wrote:The way I see it, Power of the Primes has been okay so far, but I'd prefer if the Prime Masters did something other than just clipping into things, if they were more like Mini-Cons or Cyber Planet Keys where plugging them in to somewhere unlocks a hidden feature on the main toy. .


This is my main problem with this line. Their over arching gimmick is just aesthetic and doesnt really contribute to anything (and I dont think it looks any good when used, like on the Prime Armour :SICK: ). The Titan master were heads, thats a pretty big deal. But these prime masters dont add anything significant. They end up actually being better used on Titans return Overlord than any other toy in POTP so far.


Am I the only one thats glad this years kiddie gimmick can easily be tossed in the parts bin? Im cool with no "playability". These figures homage 1980s characters and are mostly bought by adult collectors in their 40s. Kids dont play with action figures, they play with video games and cell phone apps. Let the Generations line stay gimmick free please.
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Postby steals_your_goats » Tue Jan 02, 2018 7:12 pm

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Rated X wrote:Am I the only one thats glad this years kiddie gimmick can easily be tossed in the parts bin? Im cool with no "playability". These figures homage 1980s characters and are mostly bought by adult collectors in their 40s. Kids dont play with action figures, they play with video games and cell phone apps. Let the Generations line stay gimmick free please.

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Postby Sigma Magnus » Tue Jan 02, 2018 7:12 pm

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Rated X wrote:Kids dont play with action figures, they play with video games and cell phone apps.

I'm a kid. I play with action figures. My ten-year-old cousin does too (including Transformers). We also play video games. They aren't mutually exclusive...

As for the Prime Master gimmick...I do feel like it was a good concept. But it really should have been a Cyber Key/Mini-Con sort of thing.
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Postby Ultra Markus » Tue Jan 02, 2018 8:21 pm

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And differences there are, but not many noteworthy ones:

- Sludge and Snarl have switched positions, though the art is in line with his Earth Wars depiction.
- Snarl has his tail treated like Sludge's and Slag's, even tho the toy has it split, like the G1 one.
- Sludge has his back feet flip inward, something not possible with the toy. Also, the front feet seem to be twisted 180.

its like a case of cartoon vs toy like we had with G1 were the toy barely resembles the cartoon
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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Leaks, Rumours, Reveals, and More

Postby Skritz » Tue Jan 02, 2018 9:01 pm

Rated X wrote:Am I the only one thats glad this years kiddie gimmick can easily be tossed in the parts bin? Im cool with no "playability". These figures homage 1980s characters and are mostly bought by adult collectors in their 40s. Kids dont play with action figures, they play with video games and cell phone apps. Let the Generations line stay gimmick free please.


Yeah, see, I'd almost be tempted to agree with this notion buuuuut...
1) Anything past the first few years of Transformers was nothing but line-wide gimmicks, like headmasters, targetmasters or pretenders.
2) You're so absolutely wrong, we barely account for less than half of their sales.
So yeah, quite the butthurt you got there. Look, 'adult retro collectors in their forties' aren't even the majority in this fanbase anymore. Hell I'm getting in my thirties and am about to be thrown into the 'old foogey' category. It's a decade-old fanbase, it's not 'owned' by geewunners.

Beside, you want stuff for collectors? Buy masterpieces. They're made for people like you and I hear they are amazing. Never got to buy one yet, sadly. Oh and lastly? Please, if you're going to whine about a toyline being essentially a waste of plastic you are barking at the wrong Transformers toyline, buddy or you've only been buying online because if you want to see absolute garbage go look at anything not a Generations toy. Like, say, the entire RiD line which has stuff on par with a bad chinese KO.
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Skritz wrote:Beside, you want stuff for collectors? Buy masterpieces. They're made for people like you and I hear they are amazing. Never got to buy one yet, sadly. Oh and lastly? Please, if you're going to whine about a toyline being essentially a waste of plastic you are barking at the wrong Transformers toyline, buddy or you've only been buying online because if you want to see absolute garbage go look at anything not a Generations toy. Like, say, the entire RiD line which has stuff on par with a bad chinese KO.


X does say a bunch of bad stuff. But don't throw shade at the RiD line. :evil:

The RiD warrior class is one of the best size classes to come out in a long time, especially the decepticons, and has *gasp* actually created totally new characters without trying to shoehorn them into G1. All you have to do is look at the last top 5 where RiD warrior Drift beats out Generations Deluxe Drift. That said, anything involving 1 or 3 steps and the larger figures is crap. [-(

The problem with MP is quantity. It's a little under 50 characters right now and only a handful of new characters a year. Also, you find out just how much shelf space you have very quickly with MP.

Anyway, if you want to throw shade at plastic, throw towards the power rangers movie line. :HEADHURTS:
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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Leaks, Rumours, Reveals, and More

Postby Burn » Tue Jan 02, 2018 9:59 pm

Sigma Magnus wrote:As for the Prime Master gimmick...I do feel like it was a good concept. But it really should have been a Cyber Key/Mini-Con sort of thing.

Please don't say that. Those gimmicks hindered what could have been fantastic figures if they didn't have to engineer around the gimmick.
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Sigma Magnus wrote:As for the Prime Master gimmick...I do feel like it was a good concept. But it really should have been a Cyber Key/Mini-Con sort of thing.

Please don't say that. Those gimmicks hindered what could have been fantastic figures if they didn't have to engineer around the gimmick.
I agree about the Mini-Con activation gimmick hindering most of the Armada figures, but the Cyber Key gimmick was mostly non-intrusive for the much better articulated Cybertron figures.
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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Leaks, Rumours, Reveals, and More

Postby william-james88 » Tue Jan 02, 2018 10:05 pm

Rated X wrote:These figures homage 1980s characters and are mostly bought by adult collectors in their 40s.


You saying these stock images from Hasbro are meant to attract adult collectors in their 40s ?

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kurthy wrote: All you have to do is look at the last top 5 where RiD warrior Drift beats out Generations Deluxe Drift.


You know, I was wondering if anyone would contest that, but no one did :D

That said, anything involving 1 or 3 steps and the larger figures is crap. [-(

The problem with MP is quantity. It's a little under 50 characters right now and only a handful of new characters a year. Also, you find out just how much shelf space you have very quickly with MP.

Anyway, if you want to throw shade at plastic, throw towards the power rangers movie line. :HEADHURTS:


Just an FYI about the first 2 three step figures (BB and Grimlock). Those were actually made by Hasui, the guy who designed the Masterpiece toys. He was interviewed and was just as happy making those and providing fun transformations (for the intended age audience) as he was doing the same with MP figures.

Also, yes, that Power Rangers movie line was awful. I have no clue what they were thinking. Who would have thought that the worst zords ever would come from the film trying to bring new life to the franchise. With no exageration, the imaginext zords are far better than any movie zord.
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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Leaks, Rumours, Reveals, and More

Postby bodrock » Tue Jan 02, 2018 10:29 pm

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Burn wrote:
Sigma Magnus wrote:As for the Prime Master gimmick...I do feel like it was a good concept. But it really should have been a Cyber Key/Mini-Con sort of thing.

Please don't say that. Those gimmicks hindered what could have been fantastic figures if they didn't have to engineer around the gimmick.


I'm with Burn on this.

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