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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Power of The Primes Thread

Postby Asepticon » Tue Dec 26, 2017 9:46 am

Well if it means Hasbro will up their quality of paint and deco, then it's good news, but if Takara plans to downscale their deco and paint, then this does not bode well.
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Postby stevo » Tue Dec 26, 2017 9:55 am

Leader class is available at the toys r us location in whitby.20% off sale with them all in baskets at the front doors.
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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Power of The Primes Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Dec 26, 2017 9:56 am

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Asepticon wrote:Well if it means Hasbro will up their quality of paint and deco, then it's good news, but if Takara plans to downscale their deco and paint, then this does not bode well.
I suspect it's the latter since Takara's POTP toys look exactly like Hasbro's, cartoon-inaccurate decos and foil stickers and all.
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Re: Takara's Power of the Primes Toys Confirmed as Identical to Hasbro's to "Unifying the World Brands"

Postby o.supreme » Tue Dec 26, 2017 10:30 am

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william-james88 wrote:Jazz for instance is a deluxe combiner which uses clear plastic and thus demands a lot more paint and the only combining deluxe to also need that was Groove which was a Takara design. So instead of seeing this as Takara lowering their standards for deco, it could be that this unified deco instead takes the Hasbro deco to higher stanards than before. What do you think? Let us know!


This is what I was thinking. sort of a middle meeting between :TAKARATOMY: higher quality, and :HASBRO: cost based approach. So toys will be of slightly higher quality than in the past, but be a little more expensive, which we are seeing with PotP. So there is some good. But there is also some bad in that we probably wont see any unique toys to come from :TAKARATOMY: . In the past it was always fun to speculate on how :TAKARATOMY: would modify certain characters, or release completely new ones that :HASBRO: chose not too.

Still...while the toys remain *exactly the same*, I imagine the packaging will still need to be region specific, and may offer some alternatives.

Back in the original series, while toys were the same, Takara still released gift sets for Bruticus, Predaking, Abominus...etc. that North America never got. I'm still hoping we may get Unite Warrior styled gift sets for PotP Volcanicus, Abominus, perhaps some of the other voyagers as well. Even if the toys are exactly the same, I'd go for the :TAKARATOMY: packaging in this case, which should be less expensive overall I would think, with this announcement, maybe $120-$130 range to import?
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Re: Some Power Of the Primes Figures Shipping With Two Prime Masters: Report

Postby Agamemnon » Tue Dec 26, 2017 10:42 am

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Bronzewolf wrote:It's unknown how these errors are occuring, but there have been no reports of Micronus or Vector Primes shipping without any Prime Masters at all.
Several Seibertron board members have expressed interest in documenting this strange anomaly, so if you run into any Power of the Primes figure that includes two Prime Masters please leave a comment in the Energon Pub Forums below. There might be some information on your figure that could help us track down exactly what production lot run these errors are coming from!

Possibly we can find the errors are on specific production dates?

For those who aren't familiar with how Hasbro dates products:

My MAGA Jazz is numbered 72341. The 7 represents 2017, and 234 represents the 234rd day of the year. The 1 is a fairly standard on nearly all of their products. I don't think anyone has ever been able to track down what the 1 signifies. There are rare examples of GI Joe figures from the 80s ending with a 2 or a 3.

If anyone wants to track them, my Vector Prime has a datecode of 72691.

(Back when I was a quality supervisor for a company that used date codes like this, we had much the same numbering system. If I remember correctly, that last number was the shift, or perhaps the run number. I would venture a guess that would be the case here too with a possible shift number. Or perhaps a running change to the mold would flip that number? Just thinking out loud with educated guesses...)
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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Leaks, Rumours, Reveals, and More

Postby leokearon » Tue Dec 26, 2017 10:53 am

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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Power of The Primes Thread

Postby Agamemnon » Tue Dec 26, 2017 11:06 am

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My wallet like this, as does my shelf space. But, I will echo others here and wish for Takara's positive influence on Hasbro to help up the mold detailing/design and potentially increase the quality of the decors (more/effective paint!)
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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Leaks, Rumours, Reveals, and More

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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Leaks, Rumours, Reveals, and More

Postby o.supreme » Tue Dec 26, 2017 11:58 am

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So...has anyone gone to any stores to see the aftermath yet? I mean I remember years past, the day after the holiday, the toy aisles were completely wiped out. s I kid it wasn't so fun, but now as an adult it gives me hope, to see new product. The last couple of years though...haven't been the case. I guess it is true kids are buying fewer toys than ever before. I haven't been to any stores yet, but what Black Friday didn't take, I'm hoping the last minute shoppers did. My son laughingly told me last Wednesday that most of the TR Broadsides that had been sitting around a particular store in our area were almost all gone...so there's that at least.
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Re: Takara's Power of the Primes Toys Confirmed as Identical to Hasbro's to "Unifying the World Brands"

Postby william-james88 » Tue Dec 26, 2017 12:59 pm

o.supreme wrote:Still...while the toys remain *exactly the same*, I imagine the packaging will still need to be region specific, and may offer some alternatives.

Back in the original series, while toys were the same, Takara still released gift sets for Bruticus, Predaking, Abominus...etc. that North America never got. I'm still hoping we may get Unite Warrior styled gift sets for PotP Volcanicus, Abominus, perhaps some of the other voyagers as well. Even if the toys are exactly the same, I'd go for the :TAKARATOMY: packaging in this case, which should be less expensive overall I would think, with this announcement, maybe $120-$130 range to import?

For the toys under their POTP line, I would expect the packaging to be identical, just like what they did with TLK. But yeah their combined teams could offer different packaging since it would be sold a s box set. Nice G1 callback :)

And your range is dead on, thats how much Takara's Superion was at BBTS whe he came out.

Agamemnon wrote:My wallet like this, as does my shelf space. But, I will echo others here and wish for Takara's positive influence on Hasbro to help up the mold detailing/design and potentially increase the quality of the decors (more/effective paint!)


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Asepticon wrote:Well if it means Hasbro will up their quality of paint and deco, then it's good news, but if Takara plans to downscale their deco and paint, then this does not bode well.
I suspect it's the latter since Takara's POTP toys look exactly like Hasbro's, cartoon-inaccurate decos and foil stickers and all.


About all this, I find that POTP is the best example we have an thus I am curious to know what you all think of it. Comparing to previous years, is the deco better than usual? As I said, Jazz was surprising since Hasbro rarely used clear plastic for their combiner limbs. And Swoop had that cartoon/diaclone accurate chest. So do you guys feel this is Hasbro stepping up their game? How do you find them compared to Titans Return Arcee or Grotusque which were supposed to be more premium in deco than the other Titans Return toys?

I ask because even if I own them all, I cant really tell. To me, CW Trailbreaker was as premium as any other Hasbro products I own but none of these compare to the deco on, say, Unite Warriors Roller.
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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Leaks, Rumours, Reveals, and More

Postby william-james88 » Tue Dec 26, 2017 1:06 pm

Skritz wrote:Does it make me a bad toy collector that I don't find PotP 'screamer as horrific as everyone else says? He's really not the figure I regretted the most buying at retail price when he came out.

You are free to like anything you want. As long as you have a collection, you are a collector :) What makes us all good or bad is how we treat eachother, not the contents of our collection.

And yeah, I know what you mean about TLK deluxe megs, but believe it or not, thats probably the best version of that mold so far. It came from a really rough time in Transformers toys where plastic felt super cheap. And he was one of the better ones.

RAR wrote:the Legends in particular are actually "Good".

Yeah, they are the best toys of the line to me. While every other class has a gimmick to conform to, the Legends class simply advance the transformation technology. Its nice to simply have generations toys again. They all feel as good as the ROTF scouts of old.
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Re: Takara's Power of the Primes Toys Confirmed as Identical to Hasbro's to "Unifying the World Brands"

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Dec 26, 2017 1:06 pm

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william-james88 wrote:And Swoop had that cartoon/diaclone accurate chest.
And that's the only thing cartoon-specific about Swoop's deco. The rest of it is toy-specific, making the blue chest stand out against all the deco's non-cartoon aspects, like the black robot helmet.
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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Power of The Primes Thread

Postby shajaki » Tue Dec 26, 2017 1:09 pm

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I'm extremely upset by this. I'm not screaming at the top of a mountain, but I woudln't be surprised if I was the most upset person here.

I like having options. And I hate stickers. Even Reprolabels high quality ones. They're a pain in the ass and there's no comparison to actual paint apps and tampos.

I'm not optimistic about Takara "elevating" the Hasbro products, as thus far I've seen no examples of such. Just straight up copy cat'ing.

Takara, please make me eat my words.
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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Power of The Primes Thread

Postby o.supreme » Tue Dec 26, 2017 1:11 pm

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I own very few PotP so far, because of well..holding out for :TAKARATOMY: , which this news may or may not change depending on the packaging discussion we had above.

But from what I do have...I think Dreadwind is a great toy. Definitely not a lazy retool, it offers more versatility than I thought possible form a mold previously used so often in CW.

I also have the first 3 Prime Masters. while they are fun on a small scale, is it just me, or do the Prime Masters themselves look and feel a bit to be made of a "lower grade" plastic, even a bit lighter than the average Titan Master head? Also you have less detail in a symbol vs. a molded face. Also as many have pointed out, they are held together with a pin rather than a screw...

I just noticed the arms popping off my Micronus very easily, which did not occur with most Titan Masters.
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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Power of The Primes Thread

Postby kurthy » Tue Dec 26, 2017 1:17 pm

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shajaki wrote:I'm extremely upset by this. I'm not screaming at the top of a mountain, but I woudln't be surprised if I was the most upset person here.

I like having options. And I hate stickers. Even Reprolabels high quality ones. They're a pain in the ass and there's no comparison to actual paint apps and tampos.

I'm not optimistic about Takara "elevating" the Hasbro products, as thus far I've seen no examples of such. Just straight up copy cat'ing.

Takara, please make me eat my words.


Thanks for putting my scattered thoughts well. This is the same way I feel. I'm not a fan of stickers, they're always the worst option for deco. And the idea of a company increasing quality without need is laughable. Companies increase quality or decrease their overhead only when sales dictate it.
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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Power of The Primes Thread

Postby Black Bumblebee » Tue Dec 26, 2017 1:38 pm

I would be all for this if it meant that everyone was going to get the best deco possible. Alas, I worry that this means that everyone will now get the worse deco possible. If reprolabels was traded on the stock market, I'd be investing in them right about now lol
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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Leaks, Rumours, Reveals, and More

Postby shajaki » Tue Dec 26, 2017 1:53 pm

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Re: Takara's Power of the Primes Toys Confirmed as Identical to Hasbro's to "Unifying the World Brands"

Postby Agamemnon » Tue Dec 26, 2017 2:14 pm

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About all this, I find that POTP is the best example we have an thus I am curious to know what you all think of it. Comparing to previous years, is the deco better than usual? <snip>

This is an excellent question, and as such, I've taken a second long look at the PotP Deluxes. If Dreadwind is an example of what we might see in Takara's influence on Hasbro, then I am optimistic. He appears to have a higher part count than the CW Aerialbots. There appears to be substantially more paint apps. It appears that the Decepticon insignia are all tampos. I think I need to get my CW bots out of storage and try to do a direct comparison to Air Raid and stopp all this "it appears" stuff... :-?
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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Leaks, Rumours, Reveals, and More

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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Power of The Primes Thread

Postby DMSL » Tue Dec 26, 2017 4:39 pm

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Very disappointing news, as long as this means the designs are still G1 cartoon inspired and don't include stickers and some nice paint i don't mind it.

If this means a difference between light and day when it comes to the finished products as we have seen with the Titans Return/Legends line i am not too happy about this. In this case i would only welcome this unification if it means Hasbro and Takara are releasing the superior versions. So cartoon accurate paint, no stickers and apropriate accessories. I like How Takara is giving us some extra paint and accessories and hate the lack of when it comes to Hasbro. Just look at the Dinobots, where the heck are all the weapons?
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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Power of The Primes Thread

Postby Flashwave » Tue Dec 26, 2017 5:25 pm

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This seems odd to me. On the one hand, Takara is probably saving money by sharing production run costs with Hasbro vs setting up the decos or themselves. But in the other, theyvare losing an unknown part of their market in the collectors who boought their stuff because it was different than Hasbro's. Obviously, they must hink the tradeoff is worth it, but that seems like funny numbers to me.
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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Power of The Primes Thread

Postby kurthy » Tue Dec 26, 2017 5:36 pm

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Flashwave wrote:This seems odd to me. On the one hand, Takara is probably saving money by sharing production run costs with Hasbro vs setting up the decos or themselves. But in the other, theyvare losing an unknown part of their market in the collectors who boought their stuff because it was different than Hasbro's. Obviously, they must hink the tradeoff is worth it, but that seems like funny numbers to me.


I'm guessing Takara ran the numbers and found the U.S. collectors market isn't big enough to account for the savings in running the exact same toy as Hasbro.
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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Power of The Primes Thread

Postby Epsilon Delta » Tue Dec 26, 2017 5:45 pm

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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Power of The Primes Thread

Postby Sodan-1 » Tue Dec 26, 2017 5:55 pm

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Booooo!! Goodbye painted rims. Goodbye rich and vibrant colours. Goodbye brilliant whites which will yellow over time. Hello whites that are produced yellow in the factory.

Still holding onto the hope that the combiner teams will feature that signature Takara flair (although if it does, there goes the theory that Takara is simply happier with the initial efforts.)

I just hope that a few prominent characters don't get a Takara overhaul as part of some limited edition special series in a couple of years.
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Transformers Podcast: Twincast / Podcast #205 - Ship Wrecked
Twincast / Podcast #205:
"Ship Wrecked"
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Posted: Sunday, August 12th, 2018
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