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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Power of The Primes Thread

Postby Emerje » Tue Dec 26, 2017 11:36 pm

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Emerje wrote:What's strange to me is that figures that Hasbro did a really nice job with like the Dinobots and Dreadwing will most likely be painted differently by Takara Tomy (assuming the jets are given proper Hydra and Buster colors and the Dinobots are given a cartoon accurate UW-style box set). Meanwhile the poorly painted Optimus Prime that could have used a ton more paint in his arms and fists is being left unchanged.

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What makes you think any of those are going to have their decos changed by Takara when all signs given by both this line and this news point to Takara just releasing the exact same unchanged decos as the Hasbro versions in Japan?

Because Dreadwind and Darkwing don't exist in Japan and "Blackwing" isn't part of their first wave, and they appear to be saving the Dinobots as mentioned by Will in the article. Nothing about what Takara Tomy said indicates that absolutely all PotP figures will be sold under that banner. It's hard to believe they'd only have one Deluxe and no Voyagers in their wave 1 if they weren't planning something else for the missing figures.

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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Power of The Primes Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Tue Dec 26, 2017 11:47 pm

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Emerje wrote:Because Dreadwind and Darkwing don't exist in Japan
Neither did a lot of characters that Takara released previously like Straxus, Thunderwing, Drift, Whirl, Roadbuster, the Mini-Con Assault Team, Windblade, Topspin, and Twin Twist (the latter two soon to be released).

Emerje wrote:and "Blackwing" isn't part of their first wave, and they appear to be saving the Dinobots as mentioned by Will in the article. Nothing about what Takara Tomy said indicates that absolutely all PotP figures will be sold under that banner. It's hard to believe they'd only have one Deluxe and no Voyagers in their wave 1 if they weren't planning something else for the missing figures.

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Why couldn't the rest just come later? It's not like Takara strictly adheres to the same wave and size class assortments that Hasbro does.
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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Power of The Primes Thread

Postby william-james88 » Wed Dec 27, 2017 12:07 am

Clockwork Animations wrote:That's why I loved the fact that Takara was doin their own thing, because we got toys that were VASTLY better looking than the Hasbro offerings, with better paint apps aimed at collectors.

I always feel like I should write an editorial about this because it keeps confusing me. Takara has stated at every given opportunity that their target audience is kids, which makes sense since we are talking about toys and Takara Tomy is a company that predominantly makes toys for kids. Their paint apps only reflect what the designers want to be passed on to the new generation. And Hasbro does the exact same thing but in a different perspective.

Why would a toy being so slavish to G1 toy accuracy, like CW Vortex, be any more or less desireable to 30 year old collectors than a toy being so slavish to the G1 show accuracy, like UW Vortex.

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Why would G1 toy accuracy mean kids are marketed while G1 show accuracy mean collectors are marketed? That doesnt make a lick of sense. Both have decos made to attract collectors, based on something only they would know, while also being toys for kids.

The idea of Takara versions being for collectors, over the Hasbro versions, never had any bearings. And this unification is perfect proof of that (along with the fact that they dont even have an english language option on their site to give toy info to international collectors)

DMSL wrote: In this case i would only welcome this unification if it means Hasbro and Takara are releasing the superior versions. So cartoon accurate paint, no stickers and apropriate accessories.


We already know that wont be the case since Takara revealed that their leaders will also have stickers, just like the Hasbro versions.

kurthy wrote:I'm guessing Takara ran the numbers and found the U.S. collectors market isn't big enough to account for the savings in running the exact same toy as Hasbro.


Honestly, if Takara ever cared about anyone outside Japan wanting their toys, they would at least have made their site have an english language option. The truth is they were always focused on just their market when it came to selling. A significant part of Takara's revenue instead, when it comes to Transformers, is Hasbro outsourcing engineering to them since day 1. They also own the toys/molds, hence why every toy is manufactured under license from Takara Tomy.
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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Power of The Primes Thread

Postby Emerje » Wed Dec 27, 2017 12:19 am

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Emerje wrote:Because Dreadwind and Darkwing don't exist in Japan
Neither did a lot of characters that Takara released previously like Straxus, Thunderwing, Drift, Whirl, Roadbuster, the Mini-Con Assault Team, Windblade, Topspin, and Twin Twist (the latter two soon to be released).

Drift, Windblade and the Mini-Cons were new to us as well so those aren't great examples. Thunderwing is the only odd one out since they chose him over Black Shadow while the rest they've based on Marvel Comics appearances (I'm assuming that's the angle they'll take with the Jumpstarters). I suppose they could use the Marvel comics as reference for Dreadwind and Darkwing as well, but will Japanese fans be satisfied with that, especially with the way Masters are used in Legends? I doubt it.

Emerje wrote:and "Blackwing" isn't part of their first wave, and they appear to be saving the Dinobots as mentioned by Will in the article. Nothing about what Takara Tomy said indicates that absolutely all PotP figures will be sold under that banner. It's hard to believe they'd only have one Deluxe and no Voyagers in their wave 1 if they weren't planning something else for the missing figures.

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Why couldn't the rest just come later? It's not like Takara strictly adheres to the same wave and size class assortments that Hasbro does.

You really don't think it's strange that Takara is going to sell cases that are nothing but Jazz in it for no good reason? I mean, these aren't coming out until May, they could just as easily have included Dreadwind in wave 1 with Blackwing and save the Dinobots for Wave 2 since as you said they don't have to be strictly the same waves as Hasbro's.

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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Power of The Primes Thread

Postby Clockwork Animations » Wed Dec 27, 2017 12:51 am

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william-james88 wrote:Why would G1 toy accuracy mean kids are marketed while G1 show accuracy mean collectors are marketed? That doesnt make a lick of sense. Both have decos made to attract collectors, based on something only they would know, while also being toys for kids.

The idea of Takara versions being for collectors, over the Hasbro versions, never had any bearings. And this unification is perfect proof of that.


Yeah, I totally get what you're saying, and I do agree on most points. I just meant that the quality and amount of paint apps on takara's stuff was usually higher than that of Hasbro, making it more appealing to collectors, even though that might not have been what they were going for per se, regardless of the fact that each version, Takara or Hasbro, is made for kids.

Takara just had a way of doing it that evoked a feeling of quality that, when compared to Hasbro's, made our US TFs feel a little cheap to some collectors. And most collectors want to feel as if they are buying high end quality product even though at the end of the day, yes we're debating toys.

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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Power of The Primes Thread

Postby bacem » Wed Dec 27, 2017 3:16 am

william-james88 wrote:
Clockwork Animations wrote:That's why I loved the fact that Takara was doin their own thing, because we got toys that were VASTLY better looking than the Hasbro offerings, with better paint apps aimed at collectors.

I always feel like I should write an editorial about this because it keeps confusing me. Takara has stated at every given opportunity that their target audience is kids, which makes sense since we are talking about toys and Takara Tomy is a company that predominantly makes toys for kids. Their paint apps only reflect what the designers want to be passed on to the new generation. And Hasbro does the exact same thing but in a different perspective.

Why would a toy being so slavish to G1 toy accuracy, like CW Vortex, be any more or less desireable to 30 year old collectors than a toy being so slavish to the G1 show accuracy, like UW Vortex.

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Why would G1 toy accuracy mean kids are marketed while G1 show accuracy mean collectors are marketed? That doesnt make a lick of sense. Both have decos made to attract collectors, based on something only they would know, while also being toys for kids.

The idea of Takara versions being for collectors, over the Hasbro versions, never had any bearings. And this unification is perfect proof of that (along with the fact that they dont even have an english language option on their site to give toy info to international collectors)

DMSL wrote: In this case i would only welcome this unification if it means Hasbro and Takara are releasing the superior versions. So cartoon accurate paint, no stickers and apropriate accessories.


We already know that wont be the case since Takara revealed that their leaders will also have stickers, just like the Hasbro versions.

kurthy wrote:I'm guessing Takara ran the numbers and found the U.S. collectors market isn't big enough to account for the savings in running the exact same toy as Hasbro.


Honestly, if Takara ever cared about anyone outside Japan wanting their toys, they would at least have made their site have an english language option. The truth is they were always focused on just their market when it came to selling. A significant part of Takara's revenue instead, when it comes to Transformers, is Hasbro outsourcing engineering to them since day 1. They also own the toys/molds, hence why every toy is manufactured under license from Takara Tomy.


yup, this really. which is why in most case i only buy hasbro, unless somehow i found takara one on the similiar price or cheaper. for me the takara paintjob is different, not better. that is not to say they are bad, of course, but to me both color are equally good, except they use different homage. therefore, i don't see this move as something dreaded, as i will still just enjoy my hasbro one, like usual.

also, while they say their release will be exactly same as hasbro, i don't think they will get rid of their exclusives. we will still gets e-hobby or TT mall exclusives, so if you still crave for takara superior deco, you still have those as an option.
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Takara Tomy Transformers Power of The Primes in Figure King 239

Postby Va'al » Wed Dec 27, 2017 9:16 am

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Courtesy of the Loopaza Megastore Facebook page, we have the scans of the Transformers dedicated pages in the latest issue of Figure King Magazine, issue number 239, and the focus is almost entirely on the Power of the Primes line - which as we have learned this far, is virtually unchanged from the Hasbro releases, and will be so going forward until contradicting news appears - and the various size classes in the line.

Featuring the likes of Leaders Optimus Prime and Rodimus Prime (with Orion Pax and Hot Rod with their evolution gimmicks), Prime Masters and Matrix interactions, plus decoy suits for Liege Maximo, Micronus and Vector Prime, Deluxe class Jazz, and Legend class Slash, Beachcomber and Windcharger. Check them all out below!

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This month's Figure King of Transformers covering the Power of the Primes series will kick off in Japan in coming May. Overseas fans may be disappointed as this series will be the exactly the same to the US version. Will Takaratomy consider another way to make their own Transformers or just "import" the US version instead in the future? That is nothing for sure right now.


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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Power of The Primes Thread

Postby Sabrblade » Wed Dec 27, 2017 9:26 am

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They're even keeping all the Hasbro names in Katakana. "Optimus Prime" instead of "Convoy", "Rodimus Prime" instead of "Rodimus Convoy", "Jazz" instead of "Meister", "Skullgrin" instead of "Dauros", "Cloudburst" instead of "Phoenix", "Windcharger" instead of just "Charger", etc.
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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Leaks, Rumours, Reveals, and More

Postby ExciKaiser » Wed Dec 27, 2017 11:26 am

Got my potp leaders today, and finally been able to do the comparizon I was waiting for :

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The vehicule mode is more or less the same size, but the bit mode is definitely bigger than the fansproject one. Probably because 90% of the fansproject trailer is left over.

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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Leaks, Rumours, Reveals, and More

Postby carytheone » Wed Dec 27, 2017 2:52 pm

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Got my Prime Masters in yesterday, 7 days late - thanks FedEx :BANG_HEAD: also, no bonus PM's :(

Been playing with them today and trying to see if there is any logic to the PM and decoy pairings. I can't find any, but in the process I noticed (and this may be old news) that the wave 2 Decoys are retools of wave 1.

Landmine from Metal Hawk - uses quite a few of the same tooling - knees down is the same, same arms, same gun. The PM's look the same.

Submaruder from Skullgrin - seems to use the same back half of the shell with some retooling. The weapons appears to attach the same way on the back.


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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Leaks, Rumours, Reveals, and More

Postby Skritz » Wed Dec 27, 2017 6:00 pm

You know, I kinda wish that the PotP Voyagers had a better place to store enigmas/prime masters, especially in robot mode. Like some spot in their chest to plug it in, matrix-style (incidentally, this line also has Matrices using the same engineer): that way one could totally have had 'Grimlock Prime' lording it all over the other Autobots that 'him Grimlock king, now!'.
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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Leaks, Rumours, Reveals, and More

Postby ExciKaiser » Wed Dec 27, 2017 6:20 pm

They do have a place : In torso mode.
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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Leaks, Rumours, Reveals, and More

Postby JelZe GoldRabbit » Wed Dec 27, 2017 7:23 pm

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ExciKaiser wrote:They do have a place : In torso mode.


But in vehicle and regular robot mode, they can't be stored internally. That makes sense, really, as it's meant to be displayed full on in Combined Mode to show off its power and importance.

carytheone wrote:Got my Prime Masters in yesterday, 7 days late - thanks FedEx :BANG_HEAD: also, no bonus PM's :(

Been playing with them today and trying to see if there is any logic to the PM and decoy pairings. I can't find any, but in the process I noticed (and this may be old news) that the wave 2 Decoys are retools of wave 1.

Landmine from Metal Hawk - uses quite a few of the same tooling - knees down is the same, same arms, same gun. The PM's look the same.

Submaruder from Skullgrin - seems to use the same back half of the shell with some retooling. The weapons appears to attach the same way on the back.


@shajaki :lol: :lol: - good stuff ;)^


Submarauder is all new, different from Skullgrin. Look at the Prime Masters first and foremost, then the arms of the shell for any matches and thus retools. No, Skullgrin's/Liege Maximo's retool will probably be Megatronus/Bomb-Burst if we're to go by the leaked 3/4 view.
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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Leaks, Rumours, Reveals, and More

Postby Emerje » Wed Dec 27, 2017 9:12 pm

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Octopunch will probably be based on Submarauder since he often is shown with a trident in various comics. If I remember right Waverider (shown by Takara Tomy for Grand Maximus) is based on Cloudburst. That leaves Bludgeon as the odd one out so he might be a unique shell, probably turn into a sword. Another thing to consider is that Bludgeon is basically human-shaped like the Autobot shells so he may share parts with a second wave 4 Autobot (assuming Waverider is in wave 4). Wont be Doubleheader, maybe Pincher? I feel like they're saving the G1 Wave 2 Pretenders for another time.

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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Leaks, Rumours, Reveals, and More

Postby Skritz » Wed Dec 27, 2017 9:22 pm

ExciKaiser wrote:They do have a place : In torso mode.


Haven't found the one on Grimlock. Then again I can't remember where I stuffed his instructions. :HEADHURTS:
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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Leaks, Rumours, Reveals, and More

Postby Targetmaster Kup » Wed Dec 27, 2017 9:25 pm

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Haven't found the one on Grimlock. Then again I can't remember where I stuffed his instructions. :HEADHURTS:


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Re: Takara Tomy Transformers Power of The Primes Thread

Postby Emerje » Wed Dec 27, 2017 9:52 pm

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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Leaks, Rumours, Reveals, and More

Postby bacem » Thu Dec 28, 2017 12:52 am

Found these on planet iacon singapore facebook page.

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fingers crossed that the duocon combine.
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Transformers Power of the Primes Tailgate, Roadtrap, and Battleslash (Battletrap) Leaked

Postby Bronzewolf » Thu Dec 28, 2017 1:43 am

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Seibertronians, we have some huge news today about some brand new Legend Class figures from the Power of the Primes line!
Coming from Transformers Facebook fan page Planet Iacon, we have actual images of POTP Legend Class Tailgate, Roadtrap, and Battleslash! These figures were shown off previously at a Hasbro event in Australia, but were censored out of all photos from the event, so we never actually got to see them. Tailgate is clearly a remold of Windcharger, and Roadtrap and Battleslash, of course, are homages to the Duocon BattleTrap, except each piece now has it's own robot mode! They both appear to be new molds, but it's unknown if they truly combiner as the G1 version did. This obviously has reignited rumors of other Duocon, like Flywheels, so continue the discussion in the EnergonPub Forums!

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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Leaks, Rumours, Reveals, and More

Postby MaverickPrime » Thu Dec 28, 2017 1:53 am

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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Leaks, Rumours, Reveals, and More

Postby Hotconvoy » Thu Dec 28, 2017 2:00 am

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They totally combine just look at the front of the helicopter mode for battleslash and 19 steps for a figure that small?
Also roadtrap has a clear line of separation down his middle.
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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Leaks, Rumours, Reveals, and More

Postby SpikeyTigertron » Thu Dec 28, 2017 2:03 am

I agree it looks like they combine... Whether it's something as simple as the crash-combiners (judging from the front end of battleslash)... idk. Kinda wished Tailgate had the teal flames...
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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Leaks, Rumours, Reveals, and More

Postby SpikeyTigertron » Thu Dec 28, 2017 2:06 am

Hotconvoy wrote:They totally combine just look at the front of the helicopter mode for battleslash and 19 steps for a figure that small?
Also roadtrap has a clear line of separation down his middle.
Here's hoping that he works better then heavytread from the minicon combiner Centuritron


I was actually fiddling around with the mini-con combiner... it's still pretty cool, and rather impressive given the scale of the three little guys... though I do wish it hid the rotor blades better
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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Leaks, Rumours, Reveals, and More

Postby bacem » Thu Dec 28, 2017 2:16 am

Confirmed, those two can combine.

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Re: Transformers Power of the Primes Leaks, Rumours, Reveals, and More

Postby leokearon » Thu Dec 28, 2017 3:06 am

Motto: "Every little bit helps"
Weapon: Dark Saber Sword
Combined mode doesn't look to bad, I hope the connection is strong.
Looking for:
G1 Motorvator Flame rear tyre
G2 Sideswipe's spoiler
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