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Sabrblade wrote:

Rated X wrote:

Lore Keeper wrote:Unicron is not affiliated with the Decepticons.

How is Unicron NOT affiliated with the Decepticons?

He meant faction-wise, as in Unicron himself is not a Decepticon.


Though, Hasbro's marketing department keeps selling all of Unicron's toys from 2006-Present under the Decepticon label.

As they do with Lockdown and all other originally factionless baddies as well as good guys who's toys become Autobots like Dragonstorm (at least the Legion class version).

william-james88 wrote:

Is it just me or would it make more sense with Starscream's ego for him to combine with PCC drones

The torso mode looks so good I just want to see some matching limbs that aren't other robots.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Rated X wrote:

Burn wrote:Sludge has leg warmers ... ugh.

Blame it on stupid toy accurate decos. If it was cartoon accurate it would have been all grey. I never understood why people want toy inspired decos on cartoon inspired molds. All those toy accurate decos homage the worst of gang molding choices, lack of paint apps, and ugly stickers.

Accepting compromises between toy and cartoon is never an easy task...

Does help break up the colors, I'll give them that.

Well at least his front legs/arms don't fold under/around his dino chest killing any possible articulation

I don't mind the color break. It would look better in dino mode if they were matching, looks better in bot mode as a G1 homage. Six of one, half a dozen of the other, what can ya do?

As far as Roddy Uni having logos is concerned, I mean, it's not like there isn't ample precedent for "Autobot corrupted to evil = Decepticon" in this brand's decades-old history.

Really bummed by this news. I was really looking forward to the symbols.

On another note, I found this configuration for Dreadwind in robot mode to store the hand. Not bad so long as you don't mind a bubble butt. It pegs in, and the thumb tabs lock in too. Not sure if this was shown in a review or not, I was avoiding most of the content

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:On another note, I found this configuration for Dreadwind in robot mode to store the hand. Not bad so long as you don't mind a bubble butt. It pegs in, and the thumb tabs lock in too. Not sure if this was shown in a review or not, I was avoiding most of the content

Nice one but I would point the hand down to give him a jetpack.

Lunatic Prime wrote:

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:On another note, I found this configuration for Dreadwind in robot mode to store the hand. Not bad so long as you don't mind a bubble butt. It pegs in, and the thumb tabs lock in too. Not sure if this was shown in a review or not, I was avoiding most of the content

Nice one but I would point the hand down to give him a jetpack.

It got in the way of his legs a little bit with all the stuff they have on the back of them. I do put it on his back in jet mode though for an extra long thruster behind his jet mode!

Sabrblade wrote:

Rated X wrote:

Lore Keeper wrote:Unicron is not affiliated with the Decepticons.

How is Unicron NOT affiliated with the Decepticons?

He meant faction-wise, as in Unicron himself is not a Decepticon.


Though, Hasbro's marketing department keeps selling all of Unicron's toys from 2006-Present under the Decepticon label.

This is what I was getting at. Connection to Unicron does not mean connection to Decepticons. It's true that the vast majority of Transformers that affiliate with Unicron are Decepticons, but that lends more to their generally evil and self serving tendencies. Transformers Universe did give Children of Primus an Autobot symbol and Minions of Unicron a Decepticon symbol, but this context does not apply to the current toyline / fiction.

D-Maximus_Prime wrote:On another note, I found this configuration for Dreadwind in robot mode to store the hand. Not bad so long as you don't mind a bubble butt. It pegs in, and the thumb tabs lock in too. Not sure if this was shown in a review or not, I was avoiding most of the content

[img]bubble_butt[/img]

It was shown somewhere, maybe on this thread. I tried to find it when I got Dreadwind, but never could. I tried a few configurations and generally didn't like any of them. I just toss the first/armor aside if he's not Hulk handing it.

I do like to tab it on the back of jet mode, booster pack style. I think that looks cool

Lunatic Prime wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Rated X wrote:

Burn wrote:Sludge has leg warmers ... ugh.

Blame it on stupid toy accurate decos. If it was cartoon accurate it would have been all grey. I never understood why people want toy inspired decos on cartoon inspired molds.

B/c they'd be crappy under-colored figures, one of the reasons the newer mp's aren't receiving the mass love they used to, the show colors are lazy at best, monochromatic at worst, I never buy the figure with the more subdued color scheme, and, judging from comments going back a ways, a lot of people feel that way too.

So you prefer the Dinobot toys having dull yellow heads and other parts over a great looking multi-layered look with techy details and a sparkling golden color? I thought might go that way because they are the guys for cartoon accuracy but even they didn't decide to do it. Maybe that whole "trademarks uniting" nonsense is just an excuse for them to not do that because they know it wouldn't sell well.

Rated X wrote:All those toy accurate decos homage the worst of gang molding choices, lack of paint apps, and ugly stickers.

And the stickers are now replaced by tempographs, at least at 80 % of the Dinobots. So that's not a problem.

When I think of the term "toy accuracy" I think of decos that pay homage to 3 awful things:

* Gang molding - The real reason Hot Rod's hands are orange and his lower legs are red. Not because it looks cool, but because it saves money on plastics. Fortuanly the Sunbow animators were able to add additional colors without breaking the bank. Takara obviously has seemed to agree with their position over the years.

* Lack of paint - Can anyone honestly say that vintage G1 Blitzwing's face is purple because it looks cool? Once again its a gang molded part from the purple part of the mold. Once again, Sunbow saved the day and Takara has agreed.

* Crappy stickers - Not to say that all stickers were ugly, but not everybody loves red and yellow polka dots outlined by squares and lines. All these so called "tech" decals make them look very cheesy and super toyish. Take away all the stereotypical blinking lights and control pannels and the character looks more lifelike. (hence Bayverse toys)

On a side note 80% of the decals being replaced by tampos is getting overshadowed 20% of the most horrible round of decals yet. News flash....its not 1986 anymore. Nobody likes decals. Not kids, not collectors. Let it go already Hasbro.

Lunatic Prime wrote:

Rated X wrote:

Lore Keeper wrote:Unicron is not affiliated with the Decepticons.

How is Unicron NOT affiliated with the Decepticons?

Lets see...

*He summoned Megatron and made him a deal he couldnt refuse and Galvatron was born.

*He conspired with Starscream's ghost to try and make Cybertron his new body.

*He interacted with Megatron/Galvatron in major story points in the Armada/Energon series.

*He possessed Megatron in the TF Prime series.

How much more interaction with the Decepticons does Unicron have to have to be "affiliated" ?

At the end of the day the fandom is divided on Shattered Glass. Half of the Botcon/TFCC fans loved it, the other half thought it was really dumb. Hasbro liked the character, but decided to go with the more trusted method of bringing him in the fiction, rather than swim in risky waters.

Still NOT affiliated.
He interacts a lot with Decepticons because they share interests and because HE and them are both the bad guys. BUT Unicron is not a Decepticon. Why should he join them if he can just use them? And therefore he has no interest in turning Hot Rod from an Autobot into a Decepticon.

I do not think we are not on the same page on the use of the word "affiliated".

Some rappers wear red or blue bandanas in their videos. They might have not been walked in (initiated) into the Bloods or Crips but are definitely "affiliated" or at least pretending to be.

Lets be honest, one character being homaged doesnt mean the concept of "Shattered Glass" is being introduced to POTP. If a character is going to be billed as a traitor, he doesnt need the color of his faction symbol changed. That goes for characters who become possessed or turn willingly. In the case of Rodimus Unicronus, they feel the visual aspect of the character is a home run. So they gave him a bio that is more appropriate for the line and its fiction.

Lore Keeper wrote:

Randomhero wrote:

Lore Keeper wrote:

Mindmaster wrote:wat

The first wave hasn’t even hit my local Walmarts yet. On the bright side, means I’m that much closer to completing Volcanicus/Dreadwing.

Lore Keeper wrote:

DecepticonFinishline wrote:Decepticon Symbol! EFFING!!! YESSS!!!!!!

Also, what in the hell is it doing showing up already?!

Good person, you said EFFING!!! YESSS!!!!!! I believe you meant to say EFFING!!! NOOOO!!!!!! This must be the case for I am displeased with this turn of events, and I shall brook no disagreement on the matter.

This is where Reprolabel saves lives.

To me, it's more of a matter of principle. The toy is designed specifically as Rodimus under the influence of Unicron. This doesn't make him a Decepticon; Unicron is not affiliated with the Decepticons. This just seems to come down to Hasbro's reluctance to stray from the Autobot: good, Decepticon: bad structure. They appear to believe children just won't understand any variation to the formula, and I believe they're not giving kids enough credit. My son is eight (cliche I know) and when he sees a , he goes, "Woah! An evil Autobot!" He gets it. I think most kids would get it.

Not every kids parents are transformers geeks.

Thing is, I've never told him about SG. He just picked up on the visual cues. Purple with evil red eyes is like guaranteed to be a bad guy in Transformers.

For me, Fiction and Toys tend to be an entirely different world. Mostly because of OCD.

I like the idea of Shattered Glass, and what I know of the fiction is awesome. HOWEVER, in terms of toys, all it is to me is an excuse to release a bunch of pointless repaints.

If Shattered Glass toys get introduced into the main toyline, that a.) opens the door to countless repaints. I ain't got the money for that. b.) Makes me have to decide whether to put an evil SG Autobot on an Autobot shelf or make a new shelf for SG-stuff. I can't mix faction symbols.

SO. I, personally, appreciate that they played it safe. We needed a Decepticon Leader in this line. And, frankly, we have way too many Autobots, period.

DecepticonFinishline wrote:We needed a Decepticon Leader in this line. And, frankly, we have way too many Autobots, period.

I think this sums up Hasbro's probably thinking perfectly. They needed at least one "Decepticon" leader.

I'm disappointed that they went with a standard Decepticon logo on Roddy, the prototypes, stock photos (though curiously not the stock renders I can find) and even an older version of the boxart had him with purple Autobot badges on. I don't know why they've changed their minds this late into production

Rated X wrote:When I think of the term "toy accuracy" I think of decos that pay homage to 3 awful things:

* Gang molding - The real reason Hot Rod's hands are orange and his lower legs are red. Not because it looks cool, but because it saves money on plastics. Fortuanly the Sunbow animators were able to add additional colors without breaking the bank. Takara obviously has seemed to agree with their position over the years.

* Lack of paint - Can anyone honestly say that vintage G1 Blitzwing's face is purple because it looks cool? Once again its a gang molded part from the purple part of the mold. Once again, Sunbow saved the day and Takara has agreed.

* Crappy stickers - Not to say that all stickers were ugly, but not everybody loves red and yellow polka dots outlined by squares and lines. All these so called "tech" decals make them look very cheesy and super toyish. Take away all the stereotypical blinking lights and control pannels and the character looks more lifelike. (hence Bayverse toys)

I don't like most of the G1- designs at all (OmG, I think I just said the unspeakable, even unthinkable, aloud) because they are just outdated. I would have been thrilled to bits if they'd have made the rest of the Fall of Cybertron Dinobots no matter if Titan Masters or combiners or none of that. I love modern and futuristic designs and therefore I definitely prefer 's versions in the Prime Wars trilogy in most cases.
And the main reason why we get those G1 designs with those unrealistically looking details is because of all the people complaining the whole time that they want the same stuff from G1 over and over again.
Everytime is reimagining a character they earn a loud shitstorm of all those G1-fetishists why they totally ruined the character or toy by not making it G1 accurate. The only time they can be really creative with good conscience is when they design the characters for kids like in R.i.D. 2015 because kids don't know G1.
Even Reprolables are affected by that. In the TR line the first sets included a lot of their at that time pretty new honey coated design which were inspired by the War for and Fall of Cybertron games. And they looked great. But pretty quickly they had to include G1-ish stickers, as well and at the end of the line the designs of most of the honey coated stickers became pretty lame/uninspired.

So please correct me if I'm wrong. I'd be really glad if I were wrong.

Rated X wrote:On a side note 80% of the decals being replaced by tampos is getting overshadowed 20% of the most horrible round of decals yet. News flash....its not 1986 anymore. Nobody likes decals. Not kids, not collectors. Let it go already Hasbro.

Cobotron wrote:I picked up a Starscream yesterday. Batch number 73121.
He has the fix on the wing assembly.

Which is weird, I got one from batch 73141 today that does not have the fix (and will be returning it).

I woulda preferred Shattered Glass, but that certainly won't stop me from dis purchase!

One tiny difference (well more of an observation really) between the & PotP releases so far I've noticed is that Legend Class Skrapnel was not offered. (*One could argue it may be offered in a later release...but I would think based on their pattern it would have been shown by now.) Sure I know he is a re-release, but has re-released certain toys before. It just makes me speculate. I could easily see passing on Rodimus Unicronus. The more I look at what *passed on* in the last few lines, or modified to make their own, there is somewhat of a pattern. They seem to refrain from non-classic animated series characters (TR Sentinel Prime, Krok, Quake etc..), or characters that are not deemed a *faithful* representation (Alpha Trion, Sky Shadow, Quick Switch etc...) .

Looking at what we know of wave 3, I only perhaps foresee one other they *may* pass on. Most of the repaints are of classic characters from the animated series. I was surprised they are releasing Slash, but being a new mold, I guess they are going to try it out. Cindersaur will be interesting. I could see passing as it is 1) a repaint of Slash and 2) not a faithful recreation of Guzzle. But since they are no longer sticking to the appropriate Japanese names that may all be irrelevant.

o.supreme wrote:2) not a faithful recreation of Guzzle.

Lunatic Prime wrote:

o.supreme wrote:2) not a faithful recreation of Guzzle.

http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Guzzle_(Masterforce)

Sabrblade wrote:

Lunatic Prime wrote:

o.supreme wrote:2) not a faithful recreation of Guzzle.

http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Guzzle_(Masterforce)

Which is made even stranger since in the Masterforce animated series, the character matches the original Cindersaur toy color scheme, not the Takara Guzzle toy

Niblis wrote:The Target I visited last night had two Screamers from batch V-2976B. Interestingly enough, it seems like one did not have the corrected port and one did. I think the one I got is the revised one right?

Wrong code. What you need to look at is the embossed 5-digit one, none of the ones printed on the box.

Fortunately for you, I managed to barely see the batch code slightly above the code you looked at. It's 73101, which happens to be starting code for the running change (meaning anything higher should have the fix as well). So you should have a fixed one.

o.supreme wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:

Lunatic Prime wrote:

o.supreme wrote:2) not a faithful recreation of Guzzle.

http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Guzzle_(Masterforce)

Which is made even stranger since in the Masterforce animated series, the character matches the original Cindersaur toy color scheme, not the Takara Guzzle toy

PotP in Japan is a complete import of the US line (barring reissues like Skrapnel), so all characters are kept as is, including names and decos, no changes made. Dreadwind and Darkwing were not turned into the expected Buster and Hydra respectively, the latter even kept his new name "Blackwing" there. So we can expect Cindersaur to be released there as is.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:PotP in Japan is a complete import of the US line

Why do we keep saying it like that? These are the same figures, sure, but takara is promoting them just as they do with any other figure that they personally release (aka not USA edition).

Why are we calling this import while we didnt with the TLK toys which were the exact same as the Hasbro ones (including the box).

Cant we just say they are the same toys but released by Takara?

william-james88 wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:PotP in Japan is a complete import of the US line

Why do we keep saying it like that? These are the same figures, sure, but takara is promoting them just as they do with any other figure that they personally release (aka not USA edition).

Why are we calling this import while we didnt with the TLK toys which were the exact same as the Hasbro ones (including the box).

Cant we just say they are the same toys but released by Takara?

Again, personal definitions clash That was exactly as I was trying to convey.

william-james88 wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:PotP in Japan is a complete import of the US line

Why do we keep saying it like that? These are the same figures, sure, but takara is promoting them just as they do with any other figure that they personally release (aka not USA edition).

Why are we calling this import while we didnt with the TLK toys which were the exact same as the Hasbro ones (including the box).

Cant we just say they are the same toys but released by Takara?

No, they can't, they're too salty

o.supreme wrote:Cindersaur will be interesting. I could see passing as it is 1) a repaint of Slash and 2) not a faithful recreation of Guzzle. But since they are no longer sticking to the appropriate Japanese names that may all be irrelevant.

Name aside, wouldn't, for lack of a better word "Legends" Guzzle still be purple since Takara Tomy goes with screen accuracy over original toy accuracy. Seems like either way they wouldn't be making him green. If you're talking about the mold and not the colors we don't actually know what the figure will look like (leaked image might be photoshopped), just that it'll be based on Slash. Really just needs the front of the dino replaced at the hinge, I think they could fit something that resembles the original figure inside his back.

Emerje