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o.supreme wrote:Blast Off is an easy pass. I already have the UW Blast Off, and Ill wait until PM wave 3 Bomb-Burst to get Megatronus.

I still don't quite get Hasbro's strategy. I guess now we know they wanted to do 3 exclusives basing one on each of the previous lines

Blast Off representing CW (though he comes with Prime Armor and a Prime that's already getting a release..?)
Repugnus representing TR (comes with a TM, makes sense...)
and Punch/Counterpunch representing PotP (coming with Solus, a new exclusive Prime)

So...What does Leader Nemesis Prime represent? Deluxe Wreck-Gar? or are these just "more" exclusives? Also...how are Amalgamous and Nexus going to be released?

Part of me still hopes the 4 remaining Primes that don't have pretenders will still get a standard release, but it doesn't seem likely at this point.

Pretty sure Blast Off is coming with the Combiner Wars HFG. Plus, I'm all for this. I don't mix CW with UW. And I would love to have Shuttle Blast Off in (objectively better) Hasbro colors. PLUS that means that I can put brown-jet-boi on Galvatronus.

Also, I think Wreck-Gar and Nemesis are just 'store' exclusives whereas the other three are released along the lines of Grotusque and Arcee.

I also hope that the remaining Prime Masters will get a proper, non-exclusive, Pretender release. What's the f***ing point if they can't match each other.

DecepticonFinishline wrote:Pretty sure Blast Off is coming with the Combiner Wars HFG. Plus, I'm all for this. I don't mix CW with UW. And I would love to have Shuttle Blast Off in (objectively better) Hasbro colors. PLUS that means that I can put brown-jet-boi on Galvatronus.

looks at pic above , I guess its possible, though it does say its only a reference and may not indicate the final product appearance . I thought for sure other pics showed him with the Prime Armor Hand. Anyway, I don't mind mixing UW and CW at all, but I am happy for those that don't have him to get a chance to get him.

My CW Plane Blast Off and Vortex (which I consider to be separate characters form the real UW Blast Off and Vortex) are already used as limbs for Grand Scourge.

Think I'll wait a bit to see how much Amazon is going to charge on him.

blackeyedprime wrote:nice that he has a new toy but still an easy pass when the old figure is usually findable cheaper, has electronics, fires missiles plus all of it's modes so the play value is comparable. Hope it sells well all the same, might get more beast wars stuff but figures that don't have all their modes isn't something I want to see in any line with todays standards.

That's exactly what I'm referring about.
How should we call this ? BeeWuuun ?


This toy has all his modes.

No he doesn't have the same modes of the previous Optimal Optimus incarnation. Because it's not the old toy, it's another incarnation.

If you want the Optimal Optimus who transforms into Gorilla, tank and plane, then get the old toy.
This toy is the version which transforms from Classic Primal to Optimal.

Really, after all these years of BW fans mocking G1 fans who can't accept Optimus to be a gorilla, I never though we would see BW fans not accepting Optimal under a new form.

Holy crap. Robot Kingdom wants as much or for shipping than they do for the figure. Screw that. That's as bad as eBay scalpers.

thanks for the tip, Brokebot. Guessing that may be a situation where buying three and selling two to help pay for shipping might be the option.

(Or waiting for them to hit another retailer or ebay.)

Brokebot wrote:Holy crap. Robot Kingdom wants as much or for shipping than they do for the figure. Screw that. That's as bad as eBay scalpers.

They've always been that way from what I can tell. It's nice that because of their location they can offer cheaper retail price, but the shipping costs to North America more than negate any perceived discount. The only time I've ordered something from RK was only on one occasion when I absolutely knew I could not get it anywhere else for a decent price.

gothsaurus wrote:thanks for the tip, Brokebot. Guessing that may be a situation where buying three and selling two to help pay for shipping might be the option.

(Or waiting for them to hit another retailer or ebay.)

Hit me up when your three arrive. We'll hammer out a deal.

o.supreme wrote:

Brokebot wrote:Holy crap. Robot Kingdom wants as much or for shipping than they do for the figure. Screw that. That's as bad as eBay scalpers.

They've always been that way from what I can tell. It's nice that because of their location they can offer cheaper retail price, but the shipping costs to North America more than negate any perceived discount. The only time I've ordered something from RK was only on one occasion when I absolutely knew I could not get it anywhere else for a decent price.

Same with me. Shipping there is very high, and Blastoff has a listing on Amazon, so I am content to wait.

Cannot wait to get him. Now just gotta wait out that golden Starscream (maybe, we'll see, Dragstrip is ok with a no) and Megascream will be perfect.

o.supreme wrote:Blast Off is an easy pass. I already have the UW Blast Off, and Ill wait until PM wave 3 Bomb-Burst to get Megatronus.

I still don't quite get Hasbro's strategy. I guess now we know they wanted to do 3 exclusives basing one on each of the previous lines

Blast Off representing CW (though he comes with Prime Armor and a Prime that's already getting a release..?)
Repugnus representing TR (comes with a TM, makes sense...)
and Punch/Counterpunch representing PotP (coming with Solus, a new exclusive Prime)

So...What does Leader Nemesis Prime represent? Deluxe Wreck-Gar? or are these just "more" exclusives? Also...how are Amalgamous and Nexus going to be released?

Part of me still hopes the 4 remaining Primes that don't have pretenders will still get a standard release, but it doesn't seem likely at this point.

You’re reading way too much into it. It’s not representing the trilogy. It’s just giving everyone what they want. People want a shuttle blastoff. Here he is. People want the last monsterbot. Here is is. People want punch/counterpunch okay here you go. We have an Optimus Prime and need to get use of the mold so here’s your black retool. We’ve got the groove mold so let’s make another wreck-gar. That’s all it is. If it wasnything else it’d have a tag line like “Prime Wars Trilogy!” On the packaging

Yes! Now I can make my CW Blastoff a limb for another combiner!

o.supreme wrote:My CW Plane Blast Off and Vortex (which I consider to be separate characters form the real UW Blast Off and Vortex)

I'll give you Blast Off, but what did Vortex do to piss you off?

TF-fan kev777 wrote:I was lucky for wave 2 being in the right places at the right times. I live in the Chicago area and found the wave 2 legends and deluxes at Walmart when they were first being reported as out (Jan/Feb?). I travel a bit for work and was fortunate to find the prime masters in southeast Michigan at a Target in March, and found Rodimus Unicronus at a Walmart in Shreveport, LA the same month. I haven't seen any of them a second time until just recently seeing an Alpha Trion prime master at Walmart this week.

Any way you look at it, something weird happened with Wave 2. There is no way they ran a normal production run and sold them all out that quickly, unless one (or more) of the retailers has a giant supply in a warehouse waiting for all the wave 1 shelf warmers to be bought, which I highly doubt.

That is why I'm glad I jumped on the BBTS preorder for everything I want from wave 3 at just slightly above retail and super cheap shipping (except for Monkey Prime). If I do luck out and find them in stores, I'll just cancel the preorder. Monkey Prime I'll hope to find in stores, but if not, I'm okay with skipping him.

Not necessarily in response to your exact post(so forgive the context of mine) but wave two was weird. Except in my case I would routinely find only certain size classes available depending on where I was. One Walmart or Target may not have any, another may only have the leader class, while the very next may have deluxes and so and so forth. The only constant that I saw was, no prime masters. I just only recently found Alchemist Prime and Alpha Trion. That was really weird. I feel like they would be the most heavily ordered size class due to price point alone.

gothsaurus wrote:I'd swear that it is a black and white shuttle peeking through that purple crayon. Putting it out there so I can say "I told ya so" later.

That's the cockpit. We already have the art plus approximate deco:

mordhelm wrote:Sorry to bring this topic back up, but does anyone know where wave 2 deluxes and voyagers actually went?

I see the usual 3rd party amazon sellers have then for double to triple price.

I never saw them in any NW ohio store, and they appeared once at various stores in SE michigan, then huge restocks of wave 1. I snagged them when I saw them, so I am not concerned for myself, but something is definitely weird this time around.

This has never happened with an early Generations wave before to me.

I wonder if anyone could press on the hasbro guys at SDCC as to what the difference is, especially since a lot of the local store shelves are empty of generations figures.

Keep in mind this is a rumor BUT according to a Walmart stock manager Hasbro is holding back on stock until TRU finishes liquidation. I think it has to do with making sure that figures don't go for clearance prices.

But hasbro would have got the money from the retailer wouldn't they? The toys being sold on clearance wouldn't have any effect on their bottom line, just the store.

ZeroWolf wrote:But hasbro would have got the money from the retailer wouldn't they? The toys being sold on clearance wouldn't have any effect on their bottom line, just the store.

If Hasbro was shipping toys to TRU on credit, and TRU goes into bankruptcy, then Hasbro would still be waiting to receive their money. I'm not 100% sure how that would affect clearance pricing though.

Wireless_Phantom wrote:Yes! Now I can make my CW Blastoff a limb for another combiner!

I renamed mine skyblast and made him a limb for Starscream. Him, Windsweepet, dreadwind and Darkwing as his own true brigade to me.

Huh.

A little fanmodding really can go a long way to improve an uninteresting altmode:

https://twitter.com/Peaugh/status/1009987250598408192

Optimus Primal hovertank mode for base robot, thanks to Goldlock of TFW!

Sabrblade wrote:Huh.

A little fanmodding really can go a long way to improve an uninteresting altmode:

https://twitter.com/Peaugh/status/1009987250598408192

Optimus Primal hovertank mode for base robot, thanks to Goldlock of TFW!

I saw him post that. Very Energon snowcat

I will pass on Blast Off simply because I don't have CW Bruticus.....

I haven't been able to keep up with most news on the exclusives so I gotta ask.... what about Repugnus, Punch/Counterpunch and Wreckgar?....anything on release dates? I know that Wreckgar is a Walgreens exclusive but i can't remember who gets the other 2...isn't it Amazon?

Randomhero wrote:You’re reading way too much into it. It’s not representing the trilogy. It’s just giving everyone what they want. People want a shuttle blastoff. Here he is. People want the last monsterbot. Here is is. People want punch/counterpunch okay here you go. We have an Optimus Prime and need to get use of the mold so here’s your black retool. We’ve got the groove mold so let’s make another wreck-gar. That’s all it is. If it wasnything else it’d have a tag line like “Prime Wars Trilogy!” On the packaging

I was not the first one to come up with the Prime Wars Trilogy representation theory, I was just piggybacking off of what others in this thread have already stated. Also the idea of "giving fans what they want" is very subjective. I, for instance, did not have any desire for any of these.

Zeedust wrote:

o.supreme wrote:My CW Plane Blast Off and Vortex (which I consider to be separate characters form the real UW Blast Off and Vortex)

I'll give you Blast Off, but what did Vortex do to piss you off?

Oh nothing. It's just that if the representation is different than the original (CW Vortex has 2 blades instead of 4), then I figure they can be a new character. Part of my formula for creating 20 wholly unique combiners was to make a basic rule- if the only difference between UW & CW is color scheme, they are the *same*, but if there is an actual physical sculpted difference, then to me, they are different characters. Now of course there is some exception to this, but basically this entails CW Blast Off, Vortex, and all the Technobots.

I started with UW (which gives me 11 unique combiners). Then add Unique CW Box Sets (excluding G2), that gives me 3 more for a total of 14. Then add Botcon combiners (Predacus and Magnaboss), that's 16. Add in Club Exclusives (Thunder Mayhem & Wreckage), that's 18.

Then there's Grand Scourge, who picks up the loose limbs of CW Vortex, Blast Off, Offroad, and BC 2016 Terrorsaur. Also there's Optimus Maximus who picks up the loose limbs of Alpha Bravo, Rook, Smokescreen , and SG Starscream, which makes 20.

Then there's my eventual grand plan, which would be to have a legit Modulus, and replace Op Max's missing limbs with Comic Book Ratchet and SG Ratchet. Then you add in the G2 combiners, and that gives you a grand total of 24 (12 good and 12 evil)*basically* no duplication (it fudges a little, but you get the idea), or left over limbs

As for PotP, yeah there's 3 incomplete ones so far, but I guess we have to wait and see what Hasbro's plans entail for WFC. I know most fans are probably sick of the whole limb gimmick, but I just hope we get a couple to finish what is left hanging from PotP. And yes I know Hasbro doesn't have to finish anything. They may never have intended for Starscream, Elita F1tB1t1t, or Inferno to be complete, but as a fan of Combiners, I can dream right?

Really appreciate the detailed ideas here, O.Supreme. Like you, I've been pondering and losing sleep over how to pair up all the limbs and deal with the leftovers. Hadn't thought of it with your exact perspective, so very cool.

Chime in if anyone else has a really good way of pairing up limbs and/or finishing out incomplete torsos.

And like you, I'm waiting in hopes they round out the three POTP torsos with some limbs in next line.

I had to stop by Target on the way home last night to get a few things and, of course, stopped by the Transformers section while I was there. The pegs were bare of almost any deluxe class figures. They did have some Studio Series stuff, but I'm up to date on all of that. Then I spotted that the had some Power of the Primes leaders back in stock! I saw Rodimus Prime up front and was hoping it was "Wave 3" and that I'd find Optimal Optimus behind him. Nope, it was Wave 1 Optimus Prime instead. Oh well. At least more of these are getting back on the shelves. I hope we're finally about to turn a corner on our PotP availability woes.

gothsaurus wrote:Really appreciate the detailed ideas here, O.Supreme. Like you, I've been pondering and losing sleep over how to pair up all the limbs and deal with the leftovers. Hadn't thought of it with your exact perspective, so very cool.

Chime in if anyone else has a really good way of pairing up limbs and/or finishing out incomplete torsos.

And like you, I'm waiting in hopes they round out the three POTP torsos with some limbs in next line.

Tough to do now, but if you can find a cheap extra CW Wheeljack, CW Trailbreaker, CW Air Raid or CW Ironhide, you can use some of the toyhax stickers sets to get a new unique bot. Likewise for Torsos, CW Battle Core Prime and CW Scattorshot also have sets. Prime particularly has 3 sets (Ultra Magnus, Thunderclash and Nova Prime) and I'm kicking myself for not stocking up when I found them at Marshalls for $13 a couple years back.

I myself have a unique Stickerous Maximus combiner using BC Prime as Nova Prime, Wheeljack as X-Tinguisher (Exhaust was also an option) Ironhide as Smolder, Trailcutter as the Fallen and Offroad as, well Offroad covered by smiley face stickers I let my 7 year old apply while I was applying the others. She got to "help" much to Offroad's chagrin.