Sabrblade wrote:They not only had the gall to do that (twice in one sentence, even), but they used it as a means to spite canon.
"I couldn't deal with 'Wrecker-style' on Cybertron," says the Wreckers commander.That Bot wrote:Sabrblade wrote:They not only had the gall to do that (twice in one sentence, even), but they used it as a means to spite canon.
Chill out, it was a nice nod to a line that most of us don't find obnoxious.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
That Bot wrote:Believe it or not, that did not go over my head. But there are several possible explanations for it, not the least of which is that it was a damn joke the writers threw in. You sweat the small stuff way too much.
That Bot wrote:I think most of the supplementary material has heavily implied or outright stated it, but I don't remember it being said in the Prime cartoon directly, which is one of the reasons I don't think it's a big deal.
EDIT: TFWiki says he and his group were named the Wreckers in the Aligned novels:
http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Ultra_Magnus_(WFC)#Aligned_novels
Sabrblade wrote:"I couldn't deal with 'Wrecker-style' on Cybertron," says the Wreckers commander.That Bot wrote:Sabrblade wrote:They not only had the gall to do that (twice in one sentence, even), but they used it as a means to spite canon.
Chill out, it was a nice nod to a line that most of us don't find obnoxious.
lonrac wrote:So where was smokescreen,and how did he miss the battle if he was with prime the entire time,and managed to infiltrate the warship to get the forge in the first place????
and if Smoke had taken the matrix, he would have turned red, gotten flame decos and become 'Rodimus' rather than 'smokesreenus' prime?????
Maybe a bit at the very beginning, but not "significantly" anymore, what with all that's come about across the different mediums since.Autobot Strider wrote:It doesn't seem to me like the writers are intending for Magnus to be a Wrecker in this continuity. Despite what is established in the novels, we all know that the WFC/FOC/Exodus background significantly contradicts Prime's backstory.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Sabrblade wrote:Maybe a bit at the very beginning, but not "significantly" anymore, what with all that's come about across the different mediums since.Autobot Strider wrote:It doesn't seem to me like the writers are intending for Magnus to be a Wrecker in this continuity. Despite what is established in the novels, we all know that the WFC/FOC/Exodus background significantly contradicts Prime's backstory.
I'll just say that, though there are obvious differences between the two (which is understandable for eras that take place thousands of years apart), the season 1 finale of Prime did seem to go out of its way to base itself on events specific to the first novel, as well as to use a design exclusive to WFC. I mean, the finale could have chosen to tell any histories that it wanted, yet focused directly on parts from Exodus. So there is at least that much of a connection.Autobot Strider wrote:Sabrblade wrote:Maybe a bit at the very beginning, but not "significantly" anymore, what with all that's come about across the different mediums since.Autobot Strider wrote:It doesn't seem to me like the writers are intending for Magnus to be a Wrecker in this continuity. Despite what is established in the novels, we all know that the WFC/FOC/Exodus background significantly contradicts Prime's backstory.
I guess it really all depends on your definition of 'significant'. I personally consider them quite a bit different, enough so that I have no qualms considering them separate entities.
I find that the WFC/FOC/Exodus/Exiles stuff works pretty well together, but that universe feels very much like a "reboot" of the G1 backstory to me. Prime comes from a similar place, but the designs are very different and the story simplified to work for a kids show. Some of the differences are easy to write off or ignore under that reason, but when they all stack up I just think it's better to think of them as separate.
Again, that's just my opinion and I have no problem with someone seeing them as one and the same if they choose.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
The can't deal with Wrecker's style comment also annoyed me at first, as it makes Ultra Magnus sound like he wasn't the unstoppable Wrecker Commander of lore and also references his most tired cliche, but ignoring the cliche, I found what he said really wasn't incompatible with his portrayal in the novels. The Wreckers are known to be disbanded, and Wheeljack at least has no love for the guy. Perhaps Magnus disbanded the Wreckers BECAUSE he disliked the reckless maverick getting themselves killed style that his team had developed. While he may have led a daring commando team that got things done and held battlefields, that doesn't mean that he did it by being as stragegyless and reckless as Wheeljack often is.
Something in future episodes may make it irretrievably clear that the novels Magnus can be discarded, but I don't feel we've reached that point yet.
Here's my "what a tweest!" theory.
Optimus Prime didn't quite act like himself. He acted like an exaggerated, hero-worship version of himself. He acted kind of like Smokescreen IMAGINES him to be, much like his new body is over the top awesome like a fanboy would think of Optimus Prime.
Smokescreen didn't save Optimus Prime in time. He managed to activate the Forge of Solus Prime, but it wasn't Optimus it was reacting to. The Matrix has already passed to Smokescreen, and he has to live with the burden of being Prime but not letting anyone know about it, because they're all expecting Optimus Prime.
Well, he gave them Optimus Prime. He may not even have realized what he was doing, but he used the Forge to essentially create Optimus and bring him to life out of his dead body. He's strong, and heroic, and basically everything Smokescreen believes he should be, and nobody is in a position to question that because Optimus did what everyone expected him to: save the day.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
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