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DISCHARGE wrote:5 dollar foot long



All she's missing is a Subway logo behind her?

because she needs to eat a sandwich? I don't get it.

edit: Never mind, I missed the $5 Foot Long bit at the start.

I still think she looks a bit bare. Looks more like an AM toy than a PRID one.

Wtf, Airachnid looks PRETTY bad in bot mode. Someone either needs to pose her much better, or I might not be bothered getting her. Those hands are pretty awful, and the legs seem almost as rigid as 2007 movie arcee (Not that I don't like arcee's legs, just expected more from a modern Prime figure)

And lookey here, all of a sudden everyone loves Dead-End . I remember everyone hating on Dead-end when we first got those convention shots or whatever, haha. I always liked the colours and the mould. Also, You guys argueing about the... logic in the continuity: It would make more sense to argue Wheeljacks appearance in Prime and what it would have been if it were in WFC of FOC, and how that form of WJ is now the same form of Dead-End. Other than that, its just an easy repaint, so the body style and its legitimate connections with lore is pretty much out the window.

Comparing anything to WFC usually makes it look not as good. The WFC and FOC designs are some of the sickest tf designs ever.

Sabrblade wrote:

orangeitis wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Nevertheless, that is what Dead end used to look like in the Aligned Continuity. The WFC/FOC bodies are what the characters looked like in the ancient past, while the Prime bodies are what they look like in the present.

That makes no sense. The WFC designs are collectively a totally different aesthetic than the collective Prime designs.

Yes, I know they're millions of years apart, but we don't have evidence to show that Transformers in those two universes work that way. It's best not to jump to such conclusions. Until we have confirmed proof that they can look however they want to, or that there has been an in-continuity shift in their species design(not to mention every single TF giving up all those stylish noses), there's no need to claim that they can.

What more proof do you want than Hasbro openly declaring them to be in the same continuity? One has one look, another has another look, yet both are in the same continuity. I don't believe anything an exec from a toy company says, them saying its the same universe is like them peeing on your back and saying its raining, i'm sorry but they are different universes, hasbro must think we will believe anything they throw at us

The same applies to G1 and Beast Wars/Machines. both are completely different in aesthetics (especially G1 and Beast Machines), yet no one questions their being connected.

that's because in beast wars they traveled to earths past during the time the decepicons and autobots that are on the crashed ship called the ark was still in stasis lock and they actually came across the ship in on episode and to save optimus prime from being destroyed by megatron 2 optimus primal merged his spark with the matrix, i could go on but you get the idea
maybe you should go and watch the show for a better idea

Ultra Markus wrote:that's because in beast wars they traveled to earths past during the time the decepicons and autobots that are on the crashed ship called the ark was still in stasis lock and they actually came across the ship in on episode and to save optimus prime from being destroyed by megatron 2 optimus primal merged his spark with the matrix, i could go on but you get the idea
maybe you should go and watch the show for a better idea

Their art styles are still vastly different from each other, yet everyone's A-OK with that. Thus, the argument that WFC/FOC and Prime having different art styles makes them incompatible is invalid.

Sabrblade wrote:Their art styles are still vastly different from each other, yet everyone's A-OK with that. Thus, the argument that WFC/FOC and Prime having different art styles makes them incompatible is invalid.

They could have also evolved over time from landing on other planets and taking new alt mode forms, and then theres bodily upgrades, and so on.

The more I look at Arachnid the more of a pass she is. Just looks like you clip her legs together plug her arms by her side and lay her on her face to transform.

MINDVVIPE wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Their art styles are still vastly different from each other, yet everyone's A-OK with that. Thus, the argument that WFC/FOC and Prime having different art styles makes them incompatible is invalid.

They could have also evolved over time from landing on other planets and taking new alt mode forms, and then theres bodily upgrades, and so on.

Exactly. Just because the two have different art styles doesn't mean they can't fit together. We have no idea what kind of changes could have occurred over the span of eons existing between the two.

And, I posted several pics before of things that don't look all that different between the two. The Nemesis, the Core, and even Cybertron itself are all the same in each version.

MINDVVIPE wrote:
And lookey here, all of a sudden everyone loves Dead-End . I remember everyone hating on Dead-end when we first got those convention shots or whatever, haha. I always liked the colours and the mould. Also, You guys argueing about the... logic in the continuity: It would make more sense to argue Wheeljacks appearance in Prime and what it would have been if it were in WFC of FOC, and how that form of WJ is now the same form of Dead-End. Other than that, its just an easy repaint, so the body style and its legitimate connections with lore is pretty much out the window..

I liked Dead End from the start too. Because hezzz awzzzzome zzzauczzzze. (BTW 3rd Parties, a Waspinator head wouldn't go amiss.)

Shadowbee and Dead End look good. Airachnid is terrible.

Of course, I won't be seeing any of these any time soon. My area is overloaded on Wave 1 Bumblebees.

Sabrblade wrote:Um, Aaron Archer is Vice President of Intellectual Property Development at Hasbro. He's the man responsible for keeping all the continuities stable and in order, and the one (along with Rik Alvarez) who's completely developed the entire history of the Aligned continuity, from it's ancient past of WFC and the novels, to its present day of TF: Prime, and well beyond into whatever its future may be. He's well above being "one Hasbro representative".

It doesn't matter who it is. And if he's in charge of continuity and declares two contradicting fictions to be in the same universe, he's in the wrong, not the universes.

One authority can not just shoehorn their own vision into the canon if the canon contradicts them, even if they wrote it themselves. It's just not how fiction works. Unless for instance you think the pope can decide biblical canon... if so, we're just on two different pages here.

Sabrblade wrote:Not everything between the two looks complete different.

That's all well and good, but it don't have anything to do with aesthetic relationships between characters of the different mediums. Even considering all of your arguments, there still is not enough evidence to justify assuming that WFC designs=ancient past and Prime designs=present day in both universes.

orangeitis wrote:It doesn't matter who it is. And if he's in charge of continuity and declares two contradicting fictions to be in the same universe, he's in the wrong, not the universes.

One authority can not just shoehorn their own vision into the canon if the canon contradicts them, even if they wrote it themselves. It's just not how fiction works. Unless for instance you think the pope can decide biblical canon... if so, we're just on two different pages here.

Um, he created the Aligned continuity's history and timeline first, and then the two parties behind the games and show created their works based on what he and Alvarez created. The games and show are adaptations of his work, not vice-versa.

Plus, you keep saying that there two contradict each other, yet there's little to say that they do. As the Beast Era has proven, the argument of "different art styles = incompatibility" is invalid. There has yet to be anything that cannot be rationally explained between the two.

Its the same universe, its an aligned continuity, that to me suggests that its one timeline

the difference in representation between videogame, book, prime and rescue bots is down to artistic license. Its entirely possible that Prime Optimus is the same guy as WFC Prime, its just seeing the world through a different set of eyes. Same timeline, interpretation skewed to suit the medium

trotting out wfc/foc designs every time a character comes out and demanding the difference be explained is counter productive, it just is what it is. If it confuses to the point somebody get angry i suggest they relax and let the pretty toys take their mind off it

Personally i love the look of dead end. The box bio does say he's spent years near dark energon and its mutated him, so that explains the deco sufficiently for me

I love that Dead-end is this sort of cannibal. I could see him eventually being cast out from the Decepticon ranks due to being caught feeding on a fellow con. He would end up on the highways just searching for unsuspecting prey, only to one day randomly meet Nemesis Prime (the Straxus-created one) on the highway and be forced to do freaky night time battle.

Also, just wanted to add regarding the continuity debate; My Prime Arcee in my collection is not Arcee but really Chromia. So you see, it doesn't really matter too much if you wanted to just make your own continuity with the figures you have. I have more fun that way.

Sabrblade wrote:Um, he created the Aligned continuity's history and timeline first, and then the two parties behind the games and show created their works based on what he and Alvarez created. The games and show are adaptations of his work, not vice-versa.

I was under the impression that WFC was made with being in a Primax cluster universe in mind. Can you cite the source that states otherwise?

Sabrblade wrote:Plus, you keep saying that there two contradict each other, yet there's little to say that they do. As the Beast Era has proven, the argument of "different art styles = incompatibility" is invalid. There has yet to be anything that cannot be rationally explained between the two.

There's a lot that says they contradict each other. Just to name a couple, dark energon in WFC is a manufacturable product that was created from normal energon, which dark energon in Prime is the blood of Unicron. And Prime Megatron isn't infused with dark energon as he is in Prime. There are many many other errors between Exodus, WFC/FoC, and Prime if one considers them in the same universe. Trying to retcon in answers to them all would simply be too irrational.

I'm not referring to different art styles. I'm referring to aesthetics. G1 Optimus looked fairly the same in his appearance in Beast Wars than in the G1 cartoon. Same aesthetics. Not so in WFC to Prime, where he looks completely different.

Again, it's just a baseless assertion for now to assume WFC designs predate Prime designs in-universe. We need more information from Hasbro if we are to resolve this.

Holy crap! Deadend's face is just a mask, the translucent part is a "mouth visor" and eye covers. Look closely at the "Screaming Mouth" part there is a face behind it.

THATS AWESOME!

Airrachnid looks good, I think that the pictures are ruined by unimaginative posing.

Dead End looks positively evil. I like him.

Bumblebee doesn't look too bad either!

OK. Enough disagreement. I am going to put forth one word that will make everyone agree and shake hands...






BACON.


That is all. Thank you.

I like the Wheeljack repaint/remold and Bee looks ok but Airachnid looks hideous. Those hands are horrible. What is she supposed to be, a mime. This characer definitely should have been a voyager figure.

Airachnid looks awful, just awful. Guess we know which characters don't really matter to the toy developers. If this were the 90's she would have at least gotten a Mega class (Transmetal 2 Blackarachnia comes to mind). They would have hit her out the park. This, this looks like a happy meal toy, a complete joke.

Dead End is Halloween incarnate.

Noideaforaname wrote:Dead End is Halloween incarnate.

And I love every inch of him. I was on the fence, as many others were...but that bio is just makes him TOO cool.

Ravage XK wrote:The more I look at Arachnid the more of a pass she is. Just looks like you clip her legs together plug her arms by her side and lay her on her face to transform.

This sounds like a fan-fic in the making...

I will agree with some other posters, the robot mode isn't very appealing or maybe it's these pictures of her. Also the lack of yellow paint apps on her is making the overall figure bland. Guess we'll know in a few weeks.

my 2 cents.

when WfC first hit the news, the game developers and hasbro said it was a prequal to g1, not prime. the universe mmo was stated to be the prime universe, but with other elements.

i think people are confusing that info. however i didnt make botcon this year, so if mr archer said otherwise, well hes the high chief muckity-muck at hasbro, he can do what he wants. however the character designs, the characters themselves (for example) match up more with g1, even if the story doesnt quite. that being said, the g1 story never matched up with itself much anyway.

bottom line, theyre your toys, play with them how you want.

not back to topic, wow im so dissapointed in airachnid

Glad there's some in hand images of Dead End. I've been anticipating his release ever since the first photos.
I went roaming around town today wondering if i would see him in any stores. To no avail. But what i did see was oceans of BB's clogging the pegs. I haven't gone hunting for figures in a while and now i remember why. Each store was clogged with, and i'm not lying, 30 too 40 BB's on the shelves and that was it. Nothing but BB's. Brutal!
Makes me wonder if i'll ever see a Dead End at retail with that much overstock of BB's. Will probably get Dead End online instead.

Airachnid is an easy pass for me. TERRIBLE bot mode....the arms and hands are ridiculous. There's no excuse for making her that stiff and rigid in this day and age.

Wow Airachnid looks horrible o.O

Dead End looks really cool, think I'll have him as my Toxitron or Oil Slick if he makes it to the UK and ends up on sale.

That Shadowbee, damn if that yellow was a green and a slightly remolded head we could have had a very cool looking Transformers Prime Wasp kind of character going on, would have been cool to have a rival for bumblebee, oh well, suppose I could try and customise one, again if it ever makes its way to the UK and I see it on sale