The Energon Pub

News Credits: 131 · Mon Dec 21, 2015 1:27 pm

Yeah, it takes a little creativity when posing Warrior OP.

As far as his hands, youtuber peaugh put a nice lil mod for those. I've done it and very happy with the results.

Mon Dec 21, 2015 1:33 pm

Optimus looks okay with the armor, but without it his chest just looks ridiculously bad.

News Credits: 174 · Mon Dec 21, 2015 1:33 pm

I see, well, guess I'm kinda glad I skipped the arctic regurgitation of him then :-?

News Credits: 462 · Mon Dec 21, 2015 1:34 pm

Optimum Supreme wrote:Optimus looks okay with the armor, but without it his chest just looks ridiculously bad.

I blame unpaintable plastic.

News Credits: 41 · Mon Dec 21, 2015 1:39 pm

carytheone wrote:Yeah, it takes a little creativity when posing Warrior OP.

As far as his hands, youtuber peaugh put a nice lil mod for those. I've done it and very happy with the results.

Ya, I keep meaning to look into this mod.

News Credits: 131 · Mon Dec 21, 2015 1:45 pm

Cobotron wrote:
carytheone wrote:Yeah, it takes a little creativity when posing Warrior OP.

As far as his hands, youtuber peaugh put a nice lil mod for those. I've done it and very happy with the results.
Ya, I keep meaning to look into this mod.

Look no farther.

I used a pocket knife and a file on my pocket multitool. One side came out like a factory job, they other is a loosey goosey, but holds just fine.

If you're still a little nervous, I can pop him apart again tonight and send ya some close up pics and point out which one is better.

News Credits: 41 · Mon Dec 21, 2015 1:49 pm

Thanks Champ!

News Credits: 4888 · Mon Dec 21, 2015 1:50 pm

Cobotron wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:Ladies and gentlemen, the Basic/Scout class has finally returned!
Hallelujah!

Also, looks like a much better figure than the Warrior.
Ya, Maybe. People poo poo ball joints. But I don't get it. Ball joints are what made Beast Wars such great toys... IMO.

2 things to say to this:

1: The scout class has returned in scale alone, but not in spirit. The best part of the scout class was that it was as detailed and coplex as the deluxe class but fo characters that were simply smaller and thus needed to be part of a smaller scale to fit wth the other deluxes. These battlepacks are not made to scale with the warriors. It seems like RID toys are not meant to scale across classes (or even their own). Legion Fixit does scale wonderfully with Warrior Bee though.

2: If you like ball joints, then you may be dissapointed that Takara opted to replace some ball joints on UW Devy for pin joints attached by mushroom peg.

Hellscream9999 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
Cobotron wrote:
Also, looks like a much better figure than the Warrior.
Ya, Maybe. People poo poo ball joints. But I don't get it. Ball joints are what made Beast Wars such great toys... IMO.
Exactly. And even though this Optimus's shoulders aren't ball joints, they still look to be a whole lot better than the Warrior's, whose shoulder joints are some of the worst ones I have ever encountered.

When did this ever happen? He seemed like a great figure - apart from the mis-assembled thighs

Oh all the fgures I bought this year, he is the worst by far. The transformation sucks hard, his head doesnt lock in, the peg hole on his back serves no purpose, his arms look terrible and his shulder articulation is very awkward. I bought the COTF version for 10$ and still feel I overpaid. He also doesnt scale with anything. Easily the worst RID toy of the bunch.

News Credits: 462 · Mon Dec 21, 2015 1:51 pm

william-james88 wrote:He also doesnt scale with anything.

Warrior Megatronus?

News Credits: 174 · Mon Dec 21, 2015 1:56 pm

Sabrblade wrote:
william-james88 wrote:He also doesnt scale with anything.
Warrior Megatronus?

No, I'm pretty sure he was bigger than megs in the show, right?

News Credits: 41 · Mon Dec 21, 2015 1:58 pm

william-james88 wrote:The scout class has returned in scale alone, but not in spirit.

I disagree, but only because I have a soft spot for 3 inch action figures.

The best part of the scout class was that it was as detailed and coplex as the deluxe class

True for some of the Gen. scout releases, but not for Beast Wars and Energon. They were heavily simplified. Especially BW with their flippy gimmicks, but no less detailed.

These battlepacks are not made to scale with the warriors. It seems like RID toys are not meant to scale across classes (or even their own). Legion Fixit does scale wonderfully with Warrior Bee though.

True to all of this, but that soft spot has got me. Even though I'm a little rubbed to get more of the same characters, these just have great play value.

News Credits: 462 · Mon Dec 21, 2015 2:11 pm

Hellscream9999 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
william-james88 wrote:He also doesnt scale with anything.
Warrior Megatronus?

No, I'm pretty sure he was bigger than megs in the show, right?

This clip shows them to be of comparable height:'

News Credits: 174 · Mon Dec 21, 2015 2:35 pm

Sabrblade wrote:
Hellscream9999 wrote:
Sabrblade wrote:
william-james88 wrote:He also doesnt scale with anything.
Warrior Megatronus?

No, I'm pretty sure he was bigger than megs in the show, right?
This clip shows them to be of comparable height:'

Huh, well, whatever then |:|

News Credits: 4888 · Mon Dec 21, 2015 2:40 pm

Cobotron wrote:
The best part of the scout class was that it was as detailed and complex as the deluxe class
True for some of the Gen. scout releases, but not for Beast Wars and Energon. They were heavily simplified. Especially BW with their flippy gimmicks, but no less detailed.

Ah but you forget that Beast Wars werent Scout Class figures, they were basic figures. The first ever Scout Class figures were for energon and Signal Flare, Divebomb and Strongarm are as complex as deluxe Hotshot and Mega Ironhide for instance. Cruellock had less steps but that was due to design of the toy. Same with Ravage. A deluxe Ravage would not have been more complex, would it?

This same reviewer puts 9 steps for Signal Flare and 10 steps for both deluxe Prowl and Hotshot.

We dont even have to look there, just look at your most recently aquired Scout figures, TAV Frenzy adn Rumble. Are they less complex than any of the deluxe CW figures?

The Scout class was just a smaller deluxe without sacrificing detail and complexity and I will stand by that. Some Legends toys have done a good job sticking to that idea, such as Blackjack, who is also as complex as both his fellow deluxe class TFs AND combiner wars Silverbolt.

Oh and Sabr, yeah that Optimus scales with Megatronus. I just didnt think about him since I dont own him yet. I hope to soon, just so that Optimus isnt as alone.

News Credits: 174 · Mon Dec 21, 2015 2:50 pm

william-james88 wrote:
Cobotron wrote:
The best part of the scout class was that it was as detailed and complex as the deluxe class
True for some of the Gen. scout releases, but not for Beast Wars and Energon. They were heavily simplified. Especially BW with their flippy gimmicks, but no less detailed.

Ah but you forget that Beast Wars werent Scout Class figures, they were basic figures. The first ever Scout Class figures were for energon and Signal Flare, Divebomb and Strongarm are as complex as deluxe Hotshot and Mega Ironhide for instance. Cruellock had less steps but that was due to design of the toy. Same with Ravage. A deluxe Ravage would not have been more complex, would it?

This same reviewer puts 9 steps for Signal Flare and 10 steps for both deluxe Prowl and Hotshot.

We dont even have to look there, just look at your most recently aquired Scout figures, TAV Frenzy adn Rumble. Are they less complex than any of the deluxe CW figures?

The Scout class was just a smaller deluxe without sacrificing detail and complexity and I will stand by that. Some Legends toys have done a good job sticking to that idea, such as Blackjack, who is also as complex as both his fellow deluxe class TFs AND combiner wars Silverbolt.

Oh and Sabr, yeah that Iptimus scales with Mgatronus. I just didnt think about him since I dont own him yet. I hope to soon, just so that Optimus isnt as alone.

Energon Divebomb is awesome 8-)

News Credits: 131 · Mon Dec 21, 2015 2:56 pm

I agree with Will. I think the only true scout I own is Windcharger. But in my mind scout class figures are just as complicated/articulated as deluxe class figures. I find that we are starting to get a lot a variation across the lines lately. Some of the legends figures are a decent amount more involved than others.

With that in mind, legion Fixit is more articulated but with a simpler transformation (he just kinda lays down) than the warrior class figures in the RID line. Would that make him a super scout figure? Mega legion?

News Credits: 12 · Mon Dec 21, 2015 3:03 pm

Oh wow this guy actually looks great. If they made a Nemesis Prime version as well I'd sell my Legends Nemesis Prime and buy both versions of this for my Legends collection...Oh wait, then he'd tower over my Legends Megatron. Maybe not.

Point is though he looks awesome.

News Credits: 41 · Mon Dec 21, 2015 3:14 pm

Will, when I excluded the Gen. releases, I was thinking Breecher, Windcharger, and even Frumble. Those toys are by far the most complex of this class size, Heck Frumble are more complex than say CW deluxes.

But OK, you have me on your better grasp on the chronological time line of the name change of these classes. They're all the same with a different name in my book. Remember Legions used to be Legends?
:roll:

Details!

These guys are most akin to Cyberverse Commanders, hence they are considered so by their makers. Those Commanders are some great figures.

But in the end... :-(

Will! I thought you were excited about these guys? :-(

I like Mega Legions.
Divebomb IS the best!

News Credits: 131 · Mon Dec 21, 2015 3:17 pm

Cobotron wrote:I like Mega Legions.

According to the naysayers, it's only a matter of time before all we get is "Mega Legion" figures :lol:

News Credits: 174 · Mon Dec 21, 2015 3:20 pm

Cobotron wrote:Divebomb IS the best!

He really is, only change I would make, would be an actual set of tail feathers :-?

News Credits: 19 · Mon Dec 21, 2015 3:35 pm

That Prime does not look very good. And that armour looks really dorky.

Also they waste the Bludgeon name on that lil thing? Although trying to look it up on tfwiki meant I came across the Beast Hunters Cyberverse Bludgeon I had never seen before (had avoided most of the BH line cos I wasn't much into Prime and the majority of BH figures are pretty ugly) and I actually like the look of it and now found it at a cheap price on eBay and looking forward to getting it and posing it next to my Blood-enhanced RotF Bludgeon perhaps as a Metallikato apprentice (maybe call him YoungBlud

) So yeah that'll do for me, as for this RID release, nope nope nope.

News Credits: 12 · Mon Dec 21, 2015 3:41 pm

Carnivius_Prime wrote:That Prime does not look very good. And that armour looks really dorky.

Also they waste the Bludgeon name on that lil thing? Although trying to look it up on tfwiki meant I came across the Beast Hunters Cyberverse Bludgeon I had never seen before (had avoided most of the BH line cos I wasn't much into Prime and the majority of BH figures are pretty ugly) and I actually like the look of it and now found it at a cheap price on eBay and looking forward to getting it and posing it next to my Blood-enhanced RotF Bludgeon perhaps as a Metallikato apprentice (maybe call him YoungBlud ) So yeah that'll do for me, as for this RID release, nope nope nope.

FOOL! You have obviously been duped by his clever disguise as a ball with a handle on it and are thus incapable of seeing that this is none other than the one and only master of Metallikato, the invincible BLUDGEON!...G1 Bludgeon that is! To a master of Metallikato, the seemingly impossible act of transforming from a Type-90 JSSDF tank into a small, roughly human-sized sphere with a conveniently placed carry-handle is simplicity itself!

News Credits: 4888 · Mon Dec 21, 2015 3:44 pm

Cobotron wrote:
But in the end... Will! I thought you were excited about these guys?

I never said I wasnt. I just said these arent scout class figures since the whole idea of scout class is that they are supposed to scale with deluxes and voyagers. I am still excited about these and the small haul I will post later will be testament to my liking of the rid line in all its facets.

Carnivius_Prime wrote: Although trying to look it up on tfwiki meant I came across the Beast Hunters Cyberverse Bludgeon I had never seen before (had avoided most of the BH line cos I wasn't much into Prime and the majority of BH figures are pretty ugly) and I actually like the look of it and now found it at a cheap price on eBay and looking forward to getting it and posing it next to my Blood-enhanced RotF Bludgeon perhaps as a Metallikato apprentice (maybe call him YoungBlud ) So yeah that'll do for me, as for this RID release, nope nope nope.

You would have never seen that BH Bludgeon since it was never released in the states. I am also quite surprised you found it for cheap in light of that fact. It was fetching a pretty penny last year for sure. Glad you are getting it, he is awesome and a great example of a well done retool.

News Credits: 8 · Mon Dec 21, 2015 4:09 pm

If it was cheaper or actually had paint apps id pick one up, the optimus mold looks pretty good but the toy itself (like so many other modern TF figures) looks like cheap knock off garbage. Only hasbro can take a decent looking mold and ruin it like this

News Credits: 174 · Mon Dec 21, 2015 6:21 pm

Megatron Wolf wrote:If it was cheaper or actually had paint apps id pick one up, the optimus mold looks pretty good but the toy itself (like so many other modern TF figures) looks like cheap knock off garbage. Only hasbro can take a decent looking mold and ruin it like this

Agreed; I'd probably swing for a TT version done up as nemesis prime though 8-)