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Tue Feb 02, 2010 6:35 pm

As far as I'm concerned, the only thing protecting this movie from deserving the Razzies is Optimus Prime. When he's on screen, it's all good. The problem comes when they kill him half-way through and revive him for the climax.

News Credits: 37 · Tue Feb 02, 2010 7:49 pm

Honorbound wrote:As far as I'm concerned, the only thing protecting this movie from deserving the Razzies is Optimus Prime. When he's on screen, it's all good. The problem comes when they kill him half-way through and revive him for the climax.

And thats exactly why I loved ROTF. Every time Optimus was on screen in ROTF I got chills, and when he died, do you know what happens to me when I get chills from seeing someone and they die? It makes me sad. And I love sad movies...sometimes, it depends. When Optimus was revived at the end I was ready to scream "zuul mutha f*kka!". (thats usually a good thing)

Wed Feb 03, 2010 12:11 am

ROTF was a truly horrible movie in my opinion. However, as Dagon previously stated, there have been plenty of worse movies. Has anyone here ever seen Freddy Got Fingered?

Yeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.....

Wed Feb 03, 2010 9:18 pm

JesWal wrote:ROTF was a truly horrible movie in my opinion. However, as Dagon previously stated, there have been plenty of worse movies. Has anyone here ever seen Freddy Got Fingered?

Yeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah.....

Since you mentioned me....

Never saw Freddy Got Fingered, but I am a devout follower of 50s/60s/70s B cinema. I love movies with disjointed storylines/plots, bad effects, and sub awful acting. Plastic spider on a visible string supposed to be terrorizing the city? I'm in the front row. But I find those entertaining. As terrible a human as it makes me, I just didn't think TF2 was entertaining. Now, I'm not needling the arguement, and in truth it's never been my intention to needle any pro/anti ROTF arguement, but I got a right to not have liked it, just as much as anyone has a right to have liked it. That's all I'm trying to say, honestly. Disagreement is the heart of anything worth talking about, and so I don't get why it seems like we have to think ROTF was the greatest thing ever just because some people liked it. If you liked it, good. Life is not long enough to go without something you like. But if we all have to like it, that's totalitarian, and that's BS.
Look at it like this. Hershal Gordon Lewis made a movie called Blood Feast. It is credited with being the dawn of the gore film as a genre. In it, there is an actor who acts terribly, and reads his lines written on the palm of his hand, and it is very obvious that he is reading lines written on the palm of his hand. But the lines he's reading, they are better lines than the scripted lines of ROTF, in my opinion. That's not wrong, it's my opinion. This conversation exists for and because of the exchange of opinions.

Wed Feb 03, 2010 11:49 pm

It dosn't matter if you liked this movie or not, that's irrelevant. I'm only saying that calling ROTF the "Worst Bla,bla,bla" is ridiculous since there are movies released on a weekly basis that are far worse, which contain nothing at all to enjoy and nothing even remotely redeeming. Nicolas Cage made a movie last year, folks! Hello? How can you argue with Nicolas Cage?!

And yeah, I still say the people that bash this as the worst thing ever are just repeating others. I came to this conclusion from both my own experience of listing to what people said and from sites like rotten tomatoes, where every other person has to use a term like "stupidest" and "worst". Come on now, that's not a coincidence and a little difficult to believe so may people just happen to share the exact same opinion and words. "Everyone else says they didn't like it, so I better not say I did or I'll look stupid" There's an awful lot of folks out there who think exactly along those lines.

I did not like parts of this film, but something is wrong if you didn't enjoy the scenes were prime was kicking butt, something is very wrong. Like it or hate it, it is still not the worst and we as TF fans owe this movie alot for helping boost the franchise and keep it alive and well. The success of these movies helps TF keep moving forward and as common with a successful series of movies, eventually there is a reboot, which just might give us something better, closer to what many believe TF should be. We will owe it to these terrible, horrible, worst ever Michael Bay films, which ruined Transformers forever and raped our childhoods, whether you like it or not. In the meantime I'm going to try to enjoy the better parts of the movies we have now. To the rest of you who despise it, there is always the latest Nicolas Cage flick, since you arn't doing much to help Transformers stay alive anyway.

Thu Feb 04, 2010 4:49 pm

The only razzy that it deserves is worst supporting actress... god i hate the parents in the 2nd movie...

Thu Feb 04, 2010 6:50 pm

Liftgate wrote:It dosn't matter if you liked this movie or not, that's irrelevant. I'm only saying that calling ROTF the "Worst Bla,bla,bla" is ridiculous since there are movies released on a weekly basis that are far worse, which contain nothing at all to enjoy and nothing even remotely redeeming. Nicolas Cage made a movie last year, folks! Hello? How can you argue with Nicolas Cage?!

And yeah, I still say the people that bash this as the worst thing ever are just repeating others. I came to this conclusion from both my own experience of listing to what people said and from sites like rotten tomatoes, where every other person has to use a term like "stupidest" and "worst". Come on now, that's not a coincidence and a little difficult to believe so may people just happen to share the exact same opinion and words. "Everyone else says they didn't like it, so I better not say I did or I'll look stupid" There's an awful lot of folks out there who think exactly along those lines.

I did not like parts of this film, but something is wrong if you didn't enjoy the scenes were prime was kicking butt, something is very wrong. Like it or hate it, it is still not the worst and we as TF fans owe this movie alot for helping boost the franchise and keep it alive and well. The success of these movies helps TF keep moving forward and as common with a successful series of movies, eventually there is a reboot, which just might give us something better, closer to what many believe TF should be. We will owe it to these terrible, horrible, worst ever Michael Bay films, which ruined Transformers forever and raped our childhoods, whether you like it or not. In the meantime I'm going to try to enjoy the better parts of the movies we have now. To the rest of you who despise it, there is always the latest Nicolas Cage flick, since you arn't doing much to help Transformers stay alive anyway.

Actually, in all fairness, liking the movie or not liking the movie reaches to the very heart of the matter. People who liked the movie aren't the ones claiming it to be the worst movie ever made. Some of the people who didn't like it are calling it that. So, one's like or dislike seems to be the critical component of such a judgement.
Bay didn't ruin the franchise, he didn't rape my childhood. The childhood thing, I don't know where that got started. That's impossible, outside of some perverse sci-fi story. Nobody's going back in time to violate my childhood, nor does/did Bay's films ruin my memories of the franchise. It's like everything else Transformer-related. Sometimes, you just don't like something. I don't owe it to Bay for rejuvenating the franchise. IT seemed to be doing just fine to me. Every two years or so we'd get a new cartoon, before the Bayverse we had multiple toylines going simultaneously (Universe, Alternators, and Energon/Cybertron/Armada, the Beast Wars 25th reissues, the TRU reissues...then, we can add in the toys that were being made in Japan, like the eHobbys and the TCC series). And aside from that, we had Botcons or OTFCCs yearly. Sure, Bay's films have increased the franchise, but it was hardly on the teetering edge of vanishment prior to his arrival.
What I find interesting is that if you didn't like the movie, you have a problem, whereas liking the movie means you are problem-free. We've all got problems in our lives, but I really doubt that disliking a movie is something that would even rate. I wasn't entertained by the movie. Ain't a personal attack on anybody, it's just my opinion. How come I can't have mine, but movie likers can have theirs?

Fri Feb 05, 2010 12:12 am

I don't think anybody is saying you have to like the movie. It's the statements like "worst movie of all time" "raped my childhood" and "ruined the franchise" that people use because they're trying to be right in an issue of opinion. There are plenty of movies I hate, but I don't over exaggerate how bad they are like it's wrong to like them.

Fri Feb 05, 2010 8:56 am

Evil_the_Nub wrote:I don't think anybody is saying you have to like the movie. It's the statements like "worst movie of all time" "raped my childhood" and "ruined the franchise" that people use because they're trying to be right in an issue of opinion. There are plenty of movies I hate, but I don't over exaggerate how bad they are like it's wrong to like them.

Welcome to the Transformers fandom. You must be new here. Otherwise you'd realize that people have been saying roughly all of that **** since G2. While RotF might not be the single worst movie of all time it was the worst movie of 2009. I think the reason that most people are going out of their way to defend it boils down to one of a few things.

1) They're underage and don't know better. That's not a knock. Anyone in their late 20s or older will tell you that the things they liked as a child or a teenager don't always age well. Case in point, I can't watch Beavis and Butthead unless I'm drunk or stoned but when I was a teenager it was "OMG Brilliant!"

2) This is a Transformers forum and most of the people are Transformers fanboys/fangirls and not fans. Meaning they get all kinds of defensive about the thing they like for no real reason. A normal person can admit flaws in what they like but they don't care because they're secure enough to like it regardless. Fanboys will go out of their way to rationalize why it's the best thing ever. When it's clearly not. The first movie was a great movie. It was decently written for an action movie, it had cool **** to look at and it wasn't bad. RotF was boring, dragged in places, was poorly written, had too many characters (there's a reason why it branches off and most of the characters disappear), and downright embarrassing in certain scenes.

Which brings me to my counter point to point #2. I was expecting RotF to at least be as good as the first movie. It wasn't. And even the average person who went into it that knows nothing about Transformers other then the first movie were expecting the same thing. I watched both movies with my dad since he liked the first movie I figured it would be a nice bonding experience. He fell asleep during Revenge of the Fallen. He knows jackshit about Transformers other then what I tell him and given that he's in his 50s a lot of the time he's just being polite. When he asked if I had it on dvd I said I bought it to watch with him, but that was the only real reason I bought it. I told him that I had already seen it and it wasn't that great but I knew he wasn't a sheep and he'd form his own opinion. His loud snoring told me that he did. And I pretty much read a magazine while the movie finished.

Sat Feb 06, 2010 2:19 am

I liked the movie and I'm ok with people not liking it. What gets under my skin are the hyperbolic statements and people acting like only dumb people liked it.

Fri Feb 12, 2010 2:59 am

I just roll my eyes at this. (and most what people are saying to justify it this thread.You "fans" just come across as incredibly bitter people.) It's an easy target, so people just kick it around because people actually saw it. Not the beyond horrible film that truly deserves be panned. (like district 9 easily the worst film I've seen in recent history, I can't take enough drugs to make the plotholes and concept not stupid.) I can think of several films easily worst. (if you're going for highest cost bomb Pluto Nash takes the cake.)

Michael bay is the NickelBack of directors, something that's just trendy and cool to hate regardless of actual merits. You didn't like it fine, but the sheer level of the hyperboles is silly.

Fri Feb 12, 2010 7:59 am

That is stupid. But then the Razzies are a stupid concept anyway. Way too negative.
Critics are bull******* who are in the pocket of whoever is paying most and promotes most.
ROTF was unjustly attacked. It has bad things but most of it is great.
The Oscars etc are all about who paid most and usually some soppy, worthy, miseryfest or some overpromoted hock like Avatar wins.

Sun Mar 07, 2010 7:39 am

tf 3 completely deserved those awards no need to discuss that.

hope micahel bay could figure it out why tf2 got those awards and how tf3 wont get those awards.

News Credits: 226 · Sun Mar 07, 2010 3:12 pm

Worst Picture of 2009:
Transformers: Revenge Of The Fallen

Worst Actress of 2009:
Sandra Bullock
All About Steve

Worst Actor(s) of 2009:
All Three Jonas Brothers
JONAS BROTHERS: THE 3-D CONCERT EXPERIENCE

Worst Screen Couple:
Sandra Bullock & Bradley Cooper
ALL ABOUT STEVE

Worst Supporting Actress:
Sienna Miller
G.I. JOE: THE RISE OF COBRA

Worst Supporting Actor:
Billy Ray Cyrus
HANNAH MONTANA: THE MOVIE

Worst Prequel, Remake, Rip-off or Sequel
(Combined Category for 2009):
Land of The Lost
(UNIVERSAL PICTURES)

Worst Director:
Michael Bay
TRANSFORMERS: REVENGE OF THE FALLEN (AKA TRANNIES, TOO)

Worst Screenplay:
Transformers: Revenge Of The Fallen
WRITTEN BY EHREN KRUGER & ROBERTO ORCI & ALEX KURTZMAN,
BASED ON HASBRO’S TRANSFORMERS ACTION FIGURES

Special 30th RAZZIE®-versary Awardz
Worst Picture of the Decade:
Battlefield Earth
NOMINATED FOR 10 RAZZIES® / “WINNER” OF 8
(INCLUDING WORST DRAMA OF OUR FIRST 25 YRS)

Worst Actor of the Decade:
Eddie Murphy
NOMINATED FOR 12 “ACHIEVEMENTS” / “WINNER” OF 3 RAZZIES®
ADVENTURES OF PLUTO NASH, I SPY, IMAGINE THAT, MEET DAVE, NORBIT, SHOWTIME

Worst Actress of the Decade:
Paris Hilton
NOMINATED FOR 5 “ACHIEVEMENTS,” “WINNER” OF 4 RAZZIES®
THE HOTTIE & THE NOTTIE, HOUSE OF WHACKS, REPO: THE GENETIC OPERA

Honestly, if you can't see the sillyness of the Razzies and you get all upset over TF2 taking three awards, then you need to learn to laugh. :lol:

And credit to Sandra Bullock for being on hand to accept her award AND joked about it.

News Credits: 7 · Sun Mar 07, 2010 4:25 pm

I have no problem with razzies. Some of them are pretty amusing. Bay's Aramgeddon won for Most Reckless with Disregard for Human Life.

What does give me a problem is the fanboys who use this to stroke their petty egos, speaking as if they could do better. Aren't we supposed to be better than the Star Wars fans?

News Credits: 273 · Sun Mar 07, 2010 5:04 pm

The Hollywood award season is in full swing with the Academy Awards taking place tonight. Despite being the biggest box office grossing movie in recent years this side of Avatar, Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen is only up for one Oscar, in the less than exciting "Sound Mixing" category. However, ROTF already "won" a few other awards this weekend. Of course, the awards are not Oscars, but instead "Razzies", courtesy of last night's Golden Raspberry Awards. Here's the scoop, as told by the AP.

"Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen" was picked as last year's worst picture and won two other Razzies, worst director for Michael Bay and worst screenplay for Ehren Kruger, Roberto Orci and Alex Kurtzman.

Bay and his team probably will not lose any asleep over it. Though reviled by critics, "Transformers" took in $402.1 million domestically, No. 2 on the 2009 box-office chart behind "Avatar."

In case you were wondering, here's the full list of winners.

Worst Picture of 2009:
Transformers: Revenge Of The Fallen

Worst Actress of 2009:
Sandra Bullock
All About Steve

Worst Actor(s) of 2009:
All Three Jonas Brothers
JONAS BROTHERS: THE 3-D CONCERT EXPERIENCE

Worst Screen Couple:
Sandra Bullock & Bradley Cooper
ALL ABOUT STEVE

Worst Supporting Actress:
Sienna Miller
G.I. JOE: THE RISE OF COBRA

Worst Supporting Actor:
Billy Ray Cyrus
HANNAH MONTANA: THE MOVIE

Worst Prequel, Remake, Rip-off or Sequel
(Combined Category for 2009):
Land of The Lost
(UNIVERSAL PICTURES)

Worst Director:
Michael Bay
TRANSFORMERS: REVENGE OF THE FALLEN

Worst Screenplay:
Transformers: Revenge Of The Fallen
WRITTEN BY EHREN KRUGER & ROBERTO ORCI & ALEX KURTZMAN,
BASED ON HASBRO’S TRANSFORMERS ACTION FIGURES

Special 30th RAZZIE®-versary Awardz
Worst Picture of the Decade:
Battlefield Earth
NOMINATED FOR 10 RAZZIES® / “WINNER” OF 8
(INCLUDING WORST DRAMA OF OUR FIRST 25 YRS)

Worst Actor of the Decade:
Eddie Murphy
NOMINATED FOR 12 “ACHIEVEMENTS” / “WINNER” OF 3 RAZZIES®
ADVENTURES OF PLUTO NASH, I SPY, IMAGINE THAT, MEET DAVE, NORBIT, SHOWTIME

Worst Actress of the Decade:
Paris Hilton
NOMINATED FOR 5 “ACHIEVEMENTS,” “WINNER” OF 4 RAZZIES®
THE HOTTIE & THE NOTTIE, HOUSE OF WHACKS, REPO: THE GENETIC OPERA

Seibertron.com - The Ultimate Transformers Resource!

News Credits: 1 · Sun Mar 07, 2010 5:43 pm

Only 3?!?

Michael Bay will have to work even harder on TF3 if he's gonna achieve his lifetime ambition of producing a film worse than Battlefield Earth!

Koray wrote:hope micahel bay could figure it out why tf2 got those awards and how tf3 wont get those awards.

I wouldn't hold your breath. He's done a lot of films, and they've pretty much all stunk. TF3 will be every bit as awful as the first 2.

News Credits: 10 · Sun Mar 07, 2010 6:08 pm

I thought this movie was hands-down awesome. I liked it better than the first one, even. TF2 accomplished exactly what a movie (of this type) is supposed to do; entertain me. The only thing I could have done without is the low brow humor. I hope there's less of that in the next one.

Worst movie ever belongs to 'Ultra Violet' in my book.

News Credits: 26 · Sun Mar 07, 2010 6:45 pm

I know ROTF wasn't great but I thought GI Joe was worse

Sun Mar 07, 2010 7:19 pm

To me this is sad, because I really love ROTF. I think it was an awesome movie and I don't understand why everyone hates it so much. The only thing I hated about the movie was all the sex talk; it is totally unnecessary and inappropriate for a movie intended to sell toys to kids.

I don't take these awards seriously anymore. It's all just opinion.

News Credits: 273 · Sun Mar 07, 2010 7:25 pm

Wheeljack35 wrote:I know ROTF wasn't great but I thought GI Joe was worse

I agree, especially when it comes to just basically messing wth key elements of a franchise for no reason.

Sun Mar 07, 2010 8:44 pm

All the nay-sayers obviously didn't see the movie (I myself saw ROTF 3 TIMES in theaters! INCLUDING OPENING DAY!!!!) ROTF DESERVES TO WIN EVERY CATEGORY IT CAN BE NOMINATED FOR IN THE OSCARS, INCLUDING BEST PICTURE!!! TRANSFORMERS FOREVER!!!!!!

News Credits: 8 · Sun Mar 07, 2010 8:48 pm

Oh come on Battlefield Earth wasnt that bad, ROTF was way worse than that. Id rather watch BE then sit through ROTF in its entirety. And no im not kidding.

News Credits: 1 · Sun Mar 07, 2010 9:50 pm

Movies, just like Television, Music or Art, are left to interpretation by each and every one of us AS INDIVIDUALS!! That someone has the audacity to make a blanket statement that "This Sucks...PERIOD" and then expect, or even worse, demand that the rest of us fall in line with that way of thinking is Bull****! The fact that there is so much in-fighting over the subject even within our own fan community is absolutely absurd. Every one of us got something different out of RotF and has varying degrees of like or dislike for the film but there is not a damn one of you who has the right to look me in the eye and say that it sucked and expect me to fall in line with your point of view on why it sucked. Not a single one of you!! I'm sorry it sucked for you but that is YOUR PROBLEM, not mine. You want to know something that TRULY, Universally sucks?? Shoving your opinion down my throat like it's gospel truth and then trying to remove my boot from your ass when I'm done with you. That is something everyone can agree would truly suck.

The Movie critics are full of crap and the rest of you heaping your tripe on the fandom like your points of view are so much better than the rest of us...well you people are as full of it as the Critics. We get it, YOU didn't like the movie, now S.T.F.U. and get over it!

Sun Mar 07, 2010 10:13 pm

I have to say I disagree with most critics on ROTF.

However, I take back what I said about Roger Ebert after all he's been through, fighting cancer, losing jaws. The poor guy can't even speak! That being said, I liked the movie, however, there were parts in it that simply were not appropriate for this genre. Doggy love. Devy balls (This hopefully will become a joke among the fandom). Fart jokes. Dickbot. DID. NOT. WORK. Like I said, I think that Ebert had a difficult time finding a plot. I think this is because of flailing robot pieces, explosions (100+) and the profanity and sexuality. Ebert is used to old movies. I disagree, but that's okay. To every man his own.