The Energon Pub

[ZeldaTheSwordsman]

Of these, I'm still only interested in Jazz, so I am quite keen on seeing a proper reveal for him this Friday and seeing what else they have in store. Blurr has never really appealed to me as a character, and Grim's too Sunbow for my tastes and comes with a Wheelie I don't want.

Of note regarding the Rodimus discourse: one of the credible TFW sources outright said Rodimus is the Commander as of this morning during discussion of this leak.

@D-Max Commander Class Rodimus is also just wild speculation, unless I've missed something. It would be oversize, Leader would be better. We need a Leader Roddy, and a Voyager Wreck-Gar.

All the credible rumors I've seen surrounding Commander Class Rodimus have pegged him as being exactly what you yourself put forth as what ER Optimus should/could have been at this pricepoint: still a Voyager-ish base figure, but with a full-size fleshed-out trailer and a large collection of accessories.

Thing is, Rodimus' camper shell isn't nearly as big as Optimus' or Magnus' trailers and his battle platform isn't nearly as elaborate (in fact, it's about as elaborate as ER Leader Optimus' is). He also only has his gun and the Matrix of Leadership as accessories. I think Rodimus as a Voyager-ish base figure + camper shell battle platform is well within the limits of the Leader pricepoint.

Whereas Ultra Magnus' trailer is supposed to be able to carry 3 or 4 full-size Autobot cars, and Optimus' needs to be able to fit at least one, plus all the other stuff in there...

EDIT: Also looks like Apollux confirmed a Voyager SS86 Wreck-Gar is coming as of earlier this morning as well, so you are getting that.

Yay!

Yay. More characters that we got just a few years ago. Much excitement.

To be fair, Grimlock and Jazz are generalist versions compared to PotP's combining versions, and both Grimlock and Scourge have a size boost.

[Tuned Agent]

I sure hope that they make the other 3 dinobots .

3?

[Sowndwave76]

Yeah, I'm not saying I would've bought it, but a Commander Class Magnus makes a lot of sense...
What's interesting (not in a good way) is to think they may release a Rodimus figure that really is pretty much leader class, but because of x,y and z accessories is bumped-up...
But how could any accessories justify an increase of $30??

[ZeldaTheSwordsman]

I sure hope that they make the other 3 dinobots .

3?

Well, we did have confirmation of Slag.

Although I am amused because of the movie's script being one short of the full count and thus all 5 never being scripted into a shotr together, with Sludge and Snarl trading off as the omitted one.
Which was probably actually meant to be Swoop, and yet he got consistently written into all the scenes.

[Sowndwave76]

I sure hope that they make the other 3 dinobots .

3?

Snarl (my fav), Sludge, and Swoop...

Slag is on the way in the '86 line.

[Tuned Agent]

I sure hope that they make the other 3 dinobots .

3?

Well, we did have confirmation of Slag.

Snarl (my fav), Sludge, and Swoop...

Slag is on the way in the '86 line.

Ah, I didn't realize that was already taking Slag into account. Confusion averted.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Yay. More characters that we got just a few years ago. Much excitement.

Yep, means I'll be skipping a lot next year, which my wallet will like. Still sad that the movie figures will have so little attention, but at least there are beasts, and I can skip half of Kingdom and 90% of SS

[ZeroWolf]

Yay. More characters that we got just a few years ago. Much excitement.

Yep, means I'll be skipping a lot next year, which my wallet will like. Still sad that the movie figures will have so little attention, but at least there are beasts, and I can skip half of Kingdom and 90% of SS

Best way of looking at it, but there's also an even better bright side. With these out of the way, Hasbro can finally focus less on G1 as the bulk will have been updated. They might decide to revisit the Unicron Trilogy or make Generations really like Marvel Legends abd have different styles of figures rubbing elbows. The sky will be the limit. They may even give us toys that make kids fall in love with them just as we did in our respective eras.

[TF-fan kev777]

Despite the distorted image, anyone think they have a good estimation of how tall Grimlock is compared to ER Voayger Prime?

Yes, IF SS86 Grimlock comes in a standard SS leader size box he should be about an inch taller. He looks to go about from the bottom of the R on the right side of the box to the bottom of the Generations logo in the upper right corner.

That measures about 7 and 3/4 inches.

I measured ER Leader Prime, I'm assuming you meant him (same bot as Voyager Netflix version) and he is about 6 and 3/4 inches.

[ZeldaTheSwordsman]

Yay. More characters that we got just a few years ago. Much excitement.

Yep, means I'll be skipping a lot next year, which my wallet will like. Still sad that the movie figures will have so little attention, but at least there are beasts, and I can skip half of Kingdom and 90% of SS

Best way of looking at it, but there's also an even better bright side. With these out of the way, Hasbro can finally focus less on G1 as the bulk will have been updated. They might decide to revisit the Unicron Trilogy or make Generations really like Marvel Legends abd have different styles of figures rubbing elbows. The sky will be the limit. They may even give us toys that make kids fall in love with them just as we did in our respective eras.

The last of those is more the job of Cyberverse and whatever follows it, IMO. And before Cyberverse it was RiD2015.
Personally, I'm fine with repeats when they serve a useful purpose like improving design or size (As some of these do) or are reissues for those who missed the boat.

Another use for SS86 Scourge could be having him as the "prime" Scourge and using all the Titans Return ones as Sweeps (because army-building with Voyagers = ow).

Despite the distorted image, anyone think they have a good estimation of how tall Grimlock is compared to ER Voayger Prime?

Yes, IF SS86 Grimlock comes in a standard SS leader size box he should be about an inch taller. He looks to go about from the bottom of the R on the right side of the box to the bottom of the Generations logo in the upper right corner.

That measures about 7 and 3/4 inches.

I measured ER Leader Prime, I'm assuming you meant him (same bot as Voyager Netflix version) and he is about 6 and 3/4 inches.

So Grimmy should indeed also be taller than Combiner Wars Optimus Prime (who is actually in cartoon scale with the WFC Autobots). PotP Grimlock, much though I love him, is shorter than CW Optimus.

[Burn]

With these out of the way, Hasbro can finally focus less on G1 as the bulk will have been updated. They might decide to revisit the Unicron Trilogy

New lead designer remember, he or she is going to have to put their spin on the '84 and '85 figures.

[ZeroWolf]

With these out of the way, Hasbro can finally focus less on G1 as the bulk will have been updated. They might decide to revisit the Unicron Trilogy

New lead designer remember, he or she is going to have to put their spin on the '84 and '85 figures.

Hey, if they decide to keep the characters but go modern on all the alt modes it could work

I mean....things can't get any worse...right?

[ZeldaTheSwordsman]

Me, I'd hope that they stuck to the classic altmodes but limited themselves to characters who haven't quite been perfected yet.

Which, despite the million times he's been done, includes Optimus Prime.

[Rodimus Prime]

With these out of the way, Hasbro can finally focus less on G1 as the bulk will have been updated. They might decide to revisit the Unicron Trilogy

New lead designer remember, he or she is going to have to put their spin on the '84 and '85 figures.

I really hope not. I'll admit to being a G1 fan (not the same as a Geewunner) but I'm getting tired of the same 8-10 characters getting redone over and over again. The Prime Wars trilogy and now the WFC trilogy did the G1 guys really well. Time for something else! Beast Wars is getting sone love, so how about we move on to Car Robots at least, if not the Unicron Trilogy. And I'm not even asking for a line-wide upgrade, just the major characters. I need a newer version of Team Bullet Train, even if JRX still holds up really well.

[Sowndwave76]

So Grimmy should indeed also be taller than Combiner Wars Optimus Prime (who is actually in cartoon scale with the WFC Autobots). PotP Grimlock, much though I love him, is shorter than CW Optimus.

This is good news... Assuming you guys are right.

Okay, I don't feel completely stupid for not knowing, but ER "leader" Prime is actually the same size as the 35th Anniv. Anime Prime I have???
I really didn't pay attention because I had no plan (and still don't) of getting that version.
So he's Leader Class just because of the trailer?

Either way, SS86 Grimlock being taller than the Prime I have is really good news!

[Sabrblade]

So he's Leader Class just because of the trailer?

Yes.

[Jelze Bunnycat]

So Grimmy should indeed also be taller than Combiner Wars Optimus Prime (who is actually in cartoon scale with the WFC Autobots). PotP Grimlock, much though I love him, is shorter than CW Optimus.

This is good news... Assuming you guys are right.

Okay, I don't feel completely stupid for not knowing, but ER "leader" Prime is actually the same size as the 35th Anniv. Anime Prime I have???
I really didn't pay attention because I had no plan (and still don't) of getting that version.
So he's Leader Class just because of the trailer?

Either way, SS86 Grimlock being taller than the Prime I have is really good news!

Most WFC Leaders have a "core" figure that's Voyager-sized, with armor or other big accessories to bulk up the price: Magnus' armor, Astrotrain's tender, Shockwave's armor pieces and Prime's trailer. Case in point: ER Prime is set to be redecoed for the Netflix line, without trailer but with two Battle Masters, at the "Voyager Set" price point of $40, like Megatron and Hotlink were.

The only true Leader-sized figure thus far would have to be Doubledealer.

[Sowndwave76]

With these out of the way, Hasbro can finally focus less on G1 as the bulk will have been updated. They might decide to revisit the Unicron Trilogy

New lead designer remember, he or she is going to have to put their spin on the '84 and '85 figures.

I really hope not. I'll admit to being a G1 fan (not the same as a Geewunner) but I'm getting tired of the same 8-10 characters getting redone over and over again. The Prime Wars trilogy and now the WFC trilogy did the G1 guys really well. Time for something else! Beast Wars is getting sone love, so how about we move on to Car Robots at least, if not the Unicron Trilogy. And I'm not even asking for a line-wide upgrade, just the major characters. I need a newer version of Team Bullet Train, even if JRX still holds up really well.

Here's my hope:

Hastak does indeed branch-out... Start releasing characters outside of the core and even sub-core cast of G1 characters as the majority of the Generations line...
BUT, as we all know, there are still G1 characters that could have an improved update.
So give us 1 figure per wave from G1 that's of SS86 quality. And maybe a couple per wave, but one that's lesser known.
Like I've said before, there's almost no need for new seekers now for a long, long, long long time.
And I'd say the same about quite a few others from ER.

Unfortunately, what I see happening is another gimmick line that still brings the same G1 characters... Especially now that we're getting ER and SS86.
"But it's Starscream with this new gimmick, so he IS new and different!".

[Seibertron]

So, I just had my skipjack and blitzwing cancelled by target, apparently, they had enough stock to send to their **** stores months ago, but they couldn't be bothered to **** fulfill a pre-order. Apparently I didn't approve the delay, but I was never told that I needed to, so, what the hell

Same happened to me about a month ago ago with those 2 and a couple of others. Some of mine cancelled without any notice and others I had to approve, but when I went to approve and confirm the payment method, you lost out on the sale from Feb.

I ended up going with Amazon and had them within a couple days.

I had the same thing happen. I've yet to receive anything from my Toy Fair order back in February because of this. I spent about an hour or so on the phone with them trying to get it fixed. I finally spoke to someone located in the US who took down a bunch of information about this problem with Target's pre-ordering system. Hopefully it gets to the right people.

The number I ended up finding that will actually get you to someone at Target to complain to about this is 800-424-0888. This was the 3rd phone call I made about it today, but the only time someone was able to transfer me to a supervisor who listened to the problem, took down notes about it, and said that she would get it to through the proper channels because she agreed that it was ridiculous. Nice woman named Melissa that ended up "helping" me, even though my order didn't get restored. Hopefully if enough of us call to make a complaint about the pre-order system that something will get changed.

[ZeldaTheSwordsman]

So Grimmy should indeed also be taller than Combiner Wars Optimus Prime (who is actually in cartoon scale with the WFC Autobots). PotP Grimlock, much though I love him, is shorter than CW Optimus.

This is good news... Assuming you guys are right.

Okay, I don't feel completely stupid for not knowing, but ER "leader" Prime is actually the same size as the 35th Anniv. Anime Prime I have???
I really didn't pay attention because I had no plan (and still don't) of getting that version.
So he's Leader Class just because of the trailer?

Either way, SS86 Grimlock being taller than the Prime I have is really good news!

Most WFC Leaders have a "core" figure that's Voyager-sized, with armor or other big accessories to bulk up the price: Magnus' armor, Astrotrain's tender, Shockwave's armor pieces and Prime's trailer.

Not that that's really different from RiD (2001) through Cybertron Optimus Primes, mind you, although some of WFC's Leaders pull it off better than others. Although in a lot of these the core figure may be Voyager height but the mass is closer to Deluxe And some aren't even Voyager height without the armor (although Astrotrain at least has more mass density than Shockwave).

Myself, I like this flexible use of the pricepoint because when done well it gives us characters with gear we couldn't otherwise have had, and it's better than having more oversize versions of the characters.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

A lot of dreams have come true for me thanks to this line, and having these lineups are especially great for me. I could not be happier with them

[84everfan]

*sniff* jazz *sniff* finally. I love you, my son. He's so beautiful

[84everfan]

Already looking forward to dropkicking my titans return blurr out my window. We finally have a definitive blurr.

[sol magnus]

Yay. More characters that we got just a few years ago. Much excitement.

Yay! Figures YOU got just a few years ago. Much excitement!

[william-james88]

Yay. More characters that we got just a few years ago. Much excitement.

Yep, means I'll be skipping a lot next year, which my wallet will like. Still sad that the movie figures will have so little attention, but at least there are beasts, and I can skip half of Kingdom and 90% of SS

Same here.