The Energon Pub

[Mindmaster]

Honestly kinda hoping we get an SS86 Blaster with crew, they’re really the only ones left that haven’t had a good update in a long while, not since Titans Return right? I’ll honestly even take a bare minimum effort Soundwave repaint with at least like a new head and chest at the very least.

[sol magnus]

Honestly kinda hoping we get an SS86 Blaster with crew, they’re really the only ones left that haven’t had a good update in a long while, not since Titans Return right? I’ll honestly even take a bare minimum effort Soundwave repaint with at least like a new head and chest at the very least.

I'm seriously considering getting a 3p "Blaster" just to fill the hole in the collection. I'll probably wait to see what next year's lineup looks like before I pull the trigger on that.

There are videos on Youtube where people did what you suggest that came out excellent, but I don't have the paint skills. I could do the modwork, though.

[Sowndwave76]

I get people being frustrated that movie Dinobots aren’t in the works by now.
That is annoying.
But ever since, what, ‘06-‘07, a lot of people have been waiting for G1 Dinobots to get their fair share of upgrades.
Classics Grimlock was very mehhh.
I know some are okay with the PotP versions.
But arguably, those aren’t great... Not opening the “can of scale”,
However these characters should be big, relatively bulky, & considering how many times we’ve seen versions of ‘bots like the Datsuns, Hound, Inferno, etc.,
It’s just as frustrating for some of us that it’s 2021 & we’re just NOW getting a great Grimlock figure.
Other than Slag, 3 of them aren’t even confirmed yet!

Fingers crossed that with Kingdom BW releases, Hastak is encouraged & ready to pull the trigger on all 5 Dinobots.
It’s well past time.
And then maybe movie Dinobots will follow.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

I get people being frustrated that movie Dinobots aren’t in the works by now.
That is annoying.
But ever since, what, ‘06-‘07, a lot of people have been waiting for G1 Dinobots to get their fair share of upgrades.
Classics Grimlock was very mehhh.
I know some are okay with the PotP versions.
But arguably, those aren’t great... Not opening the “can of scale”,
However these characters should be big, relatively bulky, & considering how many times we’ve seen versions of ‘bots like the Datsuns, Hound, Inferno, etc.,
It’s just as frustrating for some of us that it’s 2021 & we’re just NOW getting a great Grimlock figure.
Other than Slag, 3 of them aren’t even confirmed yet!

Fingers crossed that with Kingdom BW releases, Hastak is encouraged & ready to pull the trigger on all 5 Dinobots.
It’s well past time.
And then maybe movie Dinobots will follow.

or, ya know, just do the G1 Dinobots outside of SS and do them all together like that, and do the movie Dinobots in SS like it was intended.

[EvasionModeBumblebee]

So what do you think? Are you picking up the first Dino figure to have his own unique mold? Going to leave this one on the shelf when you see it? Dino is scheduled to be released by most retailers this summer, but seeing as how we're getting this review now, it may by released earlier than that.

Let us know what you think below!

It's really impressive how most of the car panels fold into the chest, reminds me of MPM Camaro Bumblebee a little bit. Not much of a backpack, which is cool. Head sculpt is great, the only real critique I have is how long the door wings are, but it's not a huge deal. Very excited to get this figure!

[Munkky]

I'm still undecided on whether or not to get Dino, it's a toss-up between him and the Deluxe Jolt we're supposedly getting. Jolt would fit better in the "ROTF with a few things from the first movie" thing my Studio Series shelf has going on, but I've been hoping for a proper Deluxe Dino (or at least one that isn't a repaint) for literally a decade. Once that Jolt is revealed, if indeed it ever is, I'll make a decision then.

[william-james88]

Just wondering this again but why do we keep going with Dino being movie verse mirage? There is nothing "mirage" about him. At least Movie verse hound was a green army vehicle, but here I see nothing either character related or alt mode related.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Just wondering this again but why do we keep going with Dino being movie verse mirage? There is nothing "mirage" about him. At least Movie verse hound was a green army vehicle, but here I see nothing either character related or alt mode related.

I have no clue why people still refer to him as such. He was named in the film as Dino. Sure he had that weird credits thing, sure that was the original intent of the name, sure the comic tried to set that up. But like Que, I do not see why people would want to go with Mirage.

y'all have yelled for years about movie characters not looking like the names they use, so just let it be Dino and Que and everyone is happy

[EvasionModeBumblebee]

Just wondering this again but why do we keep going with Dino being movie verse mirage? There is nothing "mirage" about him. At least Movie verse hound was a green army vehicle, but here I see nothing either character related or alt mode related.

He was called Mirage in the DOTM video game. In the bonus features for DOTM they talk about how Dino was originally called Mirage and had the ability to turn invisible, but over time he lost a lot of the features that would have made him like Mirage, so the name was changed. Wheeljack/Que had the same situation.

[william-james88]

Just wondering this again but why do we keep going with Dino being movie verse mirage? There is nothing "mirage" about him. At least Movie verse hound was a green army vehicle, but here I see nothing either character related or alt mode related.

He was called Mirage in the DOTM video game. In the bonus features for DOTM they talk about how Dino was originally called Mirage and had the ability to turn invisible, but over time he lost a lot of the features that would have made him like Mirage, so the name was changed. Wheeljack/Que had the same situation.

Oh I see. yeah, the invisibility feature would have helped.
But since none of that came to pass, I am with D-Max on this one. This aint mirage, it's a fully new character called Dino.

[aronjlove]

or, ya know, just do the G1 Dinobots outside of SS and do them all together like that, and do the movie Dinobots in SS like it was intended.

Not gonna lie; I feel like I'm stepping on live-action movie fans' toes when I post about SS86 figures in here. Does G1 have to get into everything? Buzzworthy Bee and other moves have proven that product doesn't mean much to Hasbro, so why not just throw a temp 1986 the Movie tag on these figures and move on. They could have stayed in WfC even as a subline.

[sol magnus]

or, ya know, just do the G1 Dinobots outside of SS and do them all together like that, and do the movie Dinobots in SS like it was intended.

Not gonna lie; I feel like I'm stepping on live-action movie fans' toes when I post about SS86 figures in here. Does G1 have to get into everything? Buzzworthy Bee and other moves have proven that product doesn't mean much to Hasbro, so why not just throw a temp 1986 the Movie tag on these figures and move on. They could have stayed in WfC even as a subline.

I don't.

It's not my fault the company decided to do what they did. Hasbro says it's Studio Series for their product, then it is. Would it have been cool if they just did a The Transformers: The Movie line on it's own? Sure. But it's entitlement to think some toys from an actual movie is moving in on your turf because it's not the Bay movies. The case boxes all say "Generations."

[sol magnus]

or, ya know, just do the G1 Dinobots outside of SS and do them all together like that, and do the movie Dinobots in SS like it was intended.

Not gonna lie; I feel like I'm stepping on live-action movie fans' toes when I post about SS86 figures in here. Does G1 have to get into everything? Buzzworthy Bee and other moves have proven that product doesn't mean much to Hasbro, so why not just throw a temp 1986 the Movie tag on these figures and move on. They could have stayed in WfC even as a subline.

I don't.

It's not my fault the company decided to do what they did. Hasbro says it's Studio Series for their product, then it is. Would it have been cool if they just did a The Transformers: The Movie line on it's own? Sure. But it's entitlement to think some toys from an actual movie is moving in on your turf because it's not the Bay movies.

If there's some kind of sales divisor for Studio Series, the 1986 guys will only help that subline look more profitable.

The case boxes all say "Generations."

[Jelze Bunnycat]

or, ya know, just do the G1 Dinobots outside of SS and do them all together like that, and do the movie Dinobots in SS like it was intended.

Not gonna lie; I feel like I'm stepping on live-action movie fans' toes when I post about SS86 figures in here. Does G1 have to get into everything? Buzzworthy Bee and other moves have proven that product doesn't mean much to Hasbro, so why not just throw a temp 1986 the Movie tag on these figures and move on. They could have stayed in WfC even as a subline.

That's what the #86 tag is for.

And sadly this is basic logistics at work. They had to be put somewhere, in an existing line with room if possible. Studio Series happens to be more flexible with release dates of its Size Classes than regular Generations so with the cheat they're still movie characters, just not what you'd expect given precedent, it works out for them.

All to avoid having too many lines on the shelves which would not only confuse customers but, more importantly, would deter stores because there's only so much space to allocate.

[Nemesis Primal]

What are all the rumored figures for Studio Series 86?

Just going my memory, someone on some of the other sites where the leakers leak can probably give a better update.

Leader Slag w/ Daniel
Voyager (I think) Wreck-Gar
Deluxe Gnaw

There was also something about a sweeps retool/redeco of Scourge, but I don't recall if that would have been for SS86 or possibly Selects.

Going off my memory as well, I believe there's also:
Voyager Junkion of some kind (same situation as the Sweeps, exact release unknown)
Voyager Swoop at some point
Coronation Starscream (ER Screamer retool, don't remember a size class being mentioned)

Blaster has also been mentioned, but only to the extent that he exists, so we know nothing about which line he's in, his size, if he comes with cassettes, etc.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

or, ya know, just do the G1 Dinobots outside of SS and do them all together like that, and do the movie Dinobots in SS like it was intended.

Not gonna lie; I feel like I'm stepping on live-action movie fans' toes when I post about SS86 figures in here. Does G1 have to get into everything? Buzzworthy Bee and other moves have proven that product doesn't mean much to Hasbro, so why not just throw a temp 1986 the Movie tag on these figures and move on. They could have stayed in WfC even as a subline.

I don't.

It's not my fault the company decided to do what they did. Hasbro says it's Studio Series for their product, then it is. Would it have been cool if they just did a The Transformers: The Movie line on it's own? Sure. But it's entitlement to think some toys from an actual movie is moving in on your turf because it's not the Bay movies. The case boxes all say "Generations."

When it is blatantly obvious that SS86 only exists because they added beasts to WFC (behind very popular demand) and they still needed a G1 fix, it's different.

When there is an entire WFC line, a selects line, a netflix line, and now retro style packaging headmaster reissues line, it's different.

since T30, generations has not even been remotely plural. the ONLY reason that term is now being used proper again is because they finally brought back beasts but still needed to itch the G1 spot that has been scratched nearly bare.

Ways to solve it: do like the netflix line, release 2 waves of figures as walmart exclusives or something and boom! Subline sold, new molds out, all are happy. You cannot tell me they could not have pushed the walmart headmasters back a year and instead done SS86 as that subline.

Outside of SS, 2014-2020 were almost straight G1 in generations, between Prime Wars and now WFC. Just because you introduce the beasts doesn't mean to need to keep doing the same amount of G1 and take up more space.

Live action literally only needed probably 1 more year to finish the main cast together in scale and complete. But instead, 3 are all we will probably get this year. Especially since SS is the only line you get them in, I haven't seen selects movie toys or even ever a rumored selects SS figure.

[sol magnus]

or, ya know, just do the G1 Dinobots outside of SS and do them all together like that, and do the movie Dinobots in SS like it was intended.

Not gonna lie; I feel like I'm stepping on live-action movie fans' toes when I post about SS86 figures in here. Does G1 have to get into everything? Buzzworthy Bee and other moves have proven that product doesn't mean much to Hasbro, so why not just throw a temp 1986 the Movie tag on these figures and move on. They could have stayed in WfC even as a subline.

I don't.

It's not my fault the company decided to do what they did. Hasbro says it's Studio Series for their product, then it is. Would it have been cool if they just did a The Transformers: The Movie line on it's own? Sure. But it's entitlement to think some toys from an actual movie is moving in on your turf because it's not the Bay movies. The case boxes all say "Generations."

When it is blatantly obvious that SS86 only exists because they added beasts to WFC (behind very popular demand) and they still needed a G1 fix, it's different.

When there is an entire WFC line, a selects line, a netflix line, and now retro style packaging headmaster reissues line, it's different.

since T30, generations has not even been remotely plural. the ONLY reason that term is now being used proper again is because they finally brought back beasts but still needed to itch the G1 spot that has been scratched nearly bare.

Ways to solve it: do like the netflix line, release 2 waves of figures as walmart exclusives or something and boom! Subline sold, new molds out, all are happy. You cannot tell me they could not have pushed the walmart headmasters back a year and instead done SS86 as that subline.

Outside of SS, 2014-2020 were almost straight G1 in generations, between Prime Wars and now WFC. Just because you introduce the beasts doesn't mean to need to keep doing the same amount of G1 and take up more space.

Live action literally only needed probably 1 more year to finish the main cast together in scale and complete. But instead, 3 are all we will probably get this year. Especially since SS is the only line you get them in, I haven't seen selects movie toys or even ever a rumored selects SS figure.

Hasbro says they are far from done with Studio Series, so maybe they just want you to have to buy stuff a bit further in the future.

Every time they "leave something out of WFC" I get the same impression. They are going to still want me (us) buying into 2022.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

or, ya know, just do the G1 Dinobots outside of SS and do them all together like that, and do the movie Dinobots in SS like it was intended.

Not gonna lie; I feel like I'm stepping on live-action movie fans' toes when I post about SS86 figures in here. Does G1 have to get into everything? Buzzworthy Bee and other moves have proven that product doesn't mean much to Hasbro, so why not just throw a temp 1986 the Movie tag on these figures and move on. They could have stayed in WfC even as a subline.

I don't.

It's not my fault the company decided to do what they did. Hasbro says it's Studio Series for their product, then it is. Would it have been cool if they just did a The Transformers: The Movie line on it's own? Sure. But it's entitlement to think some toys from an actual movie is moving in on your turf because it's not the Bay movies. The case boxes all say "Generations."

When it is blatantly obvious that SS86 only exists because they added beasts to WFC (behind very popular demand) and they still needed a G1 fix, it's different.

When there is an entire WFC line, a selects line, a netflix line, and now retro style packaging headmaster reissues line, it's different.

since T30, generations has not even been remotely plural. the ONLY reason that term is now being used proper again is because they finally brought back beasts but still needed to itch the G1 spot that has been scratched nearly bare.

Ways to solve it: do like the netflix line, release 2 waves of figures as walmart exclusives or something and boom! Subline sold, new molds out, all are happy. You cannot tell me they could not have pushed the walmart headmasters back a year and instead done SS86 as that subline.

Outside of SS, 2014-2020 were almost straight G1 in generations, between Prime Wars and now WFC. Just because you introduce the beasts doesn't mean to need to keep doing the same amount of G1 and take up more space.

Live action literally only needed probably 1 more year to finish the main cast together in scale and complete. But instead, 3 are all we will probably get this year. Especially since SS is the only line you get them in, I haven't seen selects movie toys or even ever a rumored selects SS figure.

Hasbro says they are far from done with Studio Series, so maybe they just want you to have to buy stuff a bit further in the future.

Every time they "leave something out of WFC" I get the same impression. They are going to still want me (us) buying into 2022.

Speaking as someone who never got to see an Animated Blackout or Winged Optimus Prime, who resorted to a more expensive online place to buy DotM Que because that was the only way to get him at the time, who never saw Leadfoot because he was cancelled, who never saw past wave 2 of TLK with the 4 most desired figures in waves 3 and 4, who watched Siege Astrotrain happen, forgive me if I have absolutely zero stock in Hasbro sticking to their guns and finishing the line out.

There is little doubt in me Hasbro would say that, to produce 1 last wave of 86 figures next January, rumor a couple live action bots like Jolt, the Fallen, Que, and Galvatron, and then outright never release the rumored one and just have the line end with a happy and complete 86 cast.

It's happened several times, and it will happen again.

[EvasionModeBumblebee]

I was going to say SS-86 may just be a 1-year thing for the 35th anniversary, but considering there's a lot they haven't done for that movie and seemingly not a lot of extra space in Kingdom I guess not.

I'm kinda grateful for at least this first wave of SS-86 since it gives me a break to catch up on Studio Series figures I missed last year. In the long term though, it would definitely be a big problem if we end up missing several key characters and yet had the 86 line crammed in.

On another note, I have this figure on my desk right now, and even though I've had it for a while. . . man, it's SO good.

[Sabrblade]

Just wondering this again but why do we keep going with Dino being movie verse mirage? There is nothing "mirage" about him. At least Movie verse hound was a green army vehicle, but here I see nothing either character related or alt mode related.

He was called Mirage in the DOTM video game. In the bonus features for DOTM they talk about how Dino was originally called Mirage and had the ability to turn invisible, but over time he lost a lot of the features that would have made him like Mirage, so the name was changed. Wheeljack/Que had the same situation.

Oh I see. yeah, the invisibility feature would have helped.
But since none of that came to pass, I am with D-Max on this one. This aint mirage, it's a fully new character called Dino.

At the time of production, Hasbro created the character to be named Mirage, and had him referred to that name in every piece of DOTM media contemporary to the movie except for the movie itself (e.g. - the comics, novels, video game, books, two toys, etc.). However, his name had to be changed for the movie because, at the time of the film's release, Mattel held exclusive toy rights to the Ferrari car and so Ferrari the company did not want their product placement bearing a Hasbro toy Trademark name in the film, so it was changed to "Dino" instead.

However, one of the props from very next movie, Age of Extinction, a playing card with Dino's picture that was in Attinger's possession (jump to page 97), is labeled with the name "Mirage" instead. With this in mind, one could say that "Mirage" is his original Cybertronian name and that he simply adopted the new nickname of "Dino" after scanning his Ferrari altmode.

[Sabrblade]

since T30, generations has not even been remotely plural.

It wasn't plurat before T30 either. 2010-2013 was nothing but G1 and "practically-G1" Aligned. 2014's T30 was always an exception rather than the norm because it was an anniversary year. Same with Universe in 2009. 2008 was again nothing but G1 updates while 2009 brought in updates from other series because it too was an anniversary year.

I get it. A lot of us wish every year of the Generations line was like the anniversary years, but the sad truth is that they're not.

[EvasionModeBumblebee]

At the time of production, Hasbro created the character to be named Mirage, and had him referred to that name in every piece of DOTM media contemporary to the movie except for the movie itself (e.g. - the comics, novels, video game, books, two toys, etc.). However, his name had to be changed for the movie because, at the time of the film's release, Mattel held exclusive toy rights to the Ferrari car and so Ferrari the company did not want their product placement bearing a Hasbro toy Trademark name in the film, so it was changed to "Dino" instead.

However, one of the props from very next movie, Age of Extinction, a playing card with Dino's picture that was in Attinger's possession (jump to page 97), is labeled with the name "Mirage" instead. With this in mind, one could say that "Mirage" is his original Cybertronian name and that he simply adopted the new nickname of "Dino" after scanning his Ferrari altmode.

I wonder how much the stuff at that auction sold for. I wish whoever bought the cards would share more pictures of them!

Also, Mohawk's grill? I don't remember seeing that when I first looked through the auction xD

[Sowndwave76]

or, ya know, just do the G1 Dinobots outside of SS and do them all together like that, and do the movie Dinobots in SS like it was intended.

I never said anything about the other G1 Dinobots getting released as SS line figures.
I don't care which line they're in.
But yeah, it's to the point where I don't think it's the end of the world if they end up in the SS line.

[bacem]

Watched emgo's review on grimlock just now, apparently the clear part on his chest isn't glued, but rather secured with a pair of screws from the back of the chest part. Undoing the screws enable you to take it off.

I actually kinda dig this look.

[aronjlove]

Watched emgo's review on grimlock just now, apparently the clear part on his chest isn't glued, but rather secured with a pair of screws from the back of the chest part. Undoing the screws enable you to take it off.

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I actually kinda dig this look.

Ha! Yeah, I can confirm. Now I wonder if they are the same size as the screws holding a face to a Titan Master as I have that bit set aside when I was buying faces of Shapeways.