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[SpikeyTigertron]

I'll be damned...

[Lunatic Prime]

Besides, why would the current design team headed by people who don't care for Beast Wars design a headsculpt with Beast Wars influences?

Is that design team responsible for all toylines or just Generations?

As far as the "why would they pull from other sources in a 'movie' line" who's to say they didn't originally? I personally never understood why/where they pull the original concept for the "monsters = decepticons" from. Plus insectoids lead to easy comparisons with the insect based Beast Wars figures.

I guess they wanted them to look as evil as possible and insectoid designs always look evil and alien. And it's to better distinguish Autobots from Decepticons. They did the same thing with the Arms Microns and R.i.D. lines. Only difference there is that the whole robot modes are different instead of just the heads.

[Lunatic Prime]

I'm also not sure why Has/Tak felt the need to "reinvent the wheel" with Lockdown either.

They didn't, studio series lockdown uses the exact same transformation as the last night cog man.

oh?! I didn't know that. was it confirmed if his face shield folds down (or has a separate headmaster)?

I don't think he has the Titan/Headmaster gimmick.

[SpikeyTigertron]

I guess they wanted them to look as evil as possible and insectoid designs always look evil and alien. And it's to better distinguish Autobots from Decepticons. They did the same thing with the Arms Microns and R.i.D. lines. Only difference there is that the whole robot modes are different instead of just the heads.

good point. I am a bit disappointed that they had a shot (maybe still do?) to give us the Shockwave we deserved. I think in general I was surprised how "slimey" the deceptions were in the movies. From the larval protoforms through the little nano-critters.

I'm also surprised that we didn't get sideswipe or (*sigh*) the twins. Think they'll add more to the roster, or have we "seen it all"?

[SpikeyTigertron]

this might sound crazy, and maybe it's just the clear cockpit/canopy.... but does Leader Blackout share designs/parts with Reveal the shield lugnut?!

[Lunatic Prime]

I'm also surprised that we didn't get sideswipe or (*sigh*) the twins. Think they'll add more to the roster, or have we "seen it all"?

I gues we haven't "seen it all". We haven't even seen two full waves. There are still missing two Deluxes and the Leader(s) from wave 02.

this might sound crazy, and maybe it's just the clear cockpit/canopy.... but does Leader Blackout share designs/parts with Reveal the shield lugnut?!

I don't think so. The cockpit doesn't split and move apart. Just the middle part "disappears.

[william-james88]

Besides, why would the current design team headed by people who don't care for Beast Wars design a headsculpt with Beast Wars influences?

Is that design team responsible for all toylines or just Generations?

They handle Generations and the Movie line.

[Deadput]

Lockdown isn't a retool of anyone this is like the stupid g2 Smokescreen to Energon Starscream or Dotm Roadbuster to Aoe Lockdown.

Just similar engineering

[Va'al]

Thundercracker post updated with more images from Diatron!

https://www.seibertron.com/transformers ... ted/40866/

[Short Circuit]

Has anyone seen where Thundercracker is popping up? I've only ever seen one e-bay listing and my local TRU couldn't even find him in the system yet, let alone any other studio series figures. Really hoping this isn't another hot-rod and cogman hunt....

[Sabrblade]

Besides, why would the current design team headed by people who don't care for Beast Wars design a headsculpt with Beast Wars influences?

Is that design team responsible for all toylines or just Generations?

All of the main Transformers toylines. Generations, movie lines, cartoon lines, etc.

[TFmonkeybiz]

Better snap this guy up quick, he's gonna be super rare (and expensive) if Toys R' Us does croak it.

[Lunatic Prime]

Besides, why would the current design team headed by people who don't care for Beast Wars design a headsculpt with Beast Wars influences?

Is that design team responsible for all toylines or just Generations?

They handle Generations and the Movie line.

All of the main Transformers toylines. Generations, movie lines, cartoon lines, etc.

So who's right now?

[Sabrblade]

Besides, why would the current design team headed by people who don't care for Beast Wars design a headsculpt with Beast Wars influences?

Is that design team responsible for all toylines or just Generations?

They handle Generations and the Movie line.

All of the main Transformers toylines. Generations, movie lines, cartoon lines, etc.

So who's right now?

...Will and I both said the same thing.

[Jelze Bunnycat]

Besides, why would the current design team headed by people who don't care for Beast Wars design a headsculpt with Beast Wars influences?

Is that design team responsible for all toylines or just Generations?

They handle Generations and the Movie line.

All of the main Transformers toylines. Generations, movie lines, cartoon lines, etc.

So who's right now?

...Will and I both said the same thing.

I think a better question is which team designs which class of toys? The Generations-style and Warrior Class, the One-Step, the "Big Toy", etc.

[Lunatic Prime]

Besides, why would the current design team headed by people who don't care for Beast Wars design a headsculpt with Beast Wars influences?

Is that design team responsible for all toylines or just Generations?

They handle Generations and the Movie line.

All of the main Transformers toylines. Generations, movie lines, cartoon lines, etc.

So who's right now?

...Will and I both said the same thing.

No, you added the cartoon line and etc.. I colored that on purpose. Because to me it's interesting to know for which lines they are responsible.

[Sabrblade]

Besides, why would the current design team headed by people who don't care for Beast Wars design a headsculpt with Beast Wars influences?

Is that design team responsible for all toylines or just Generations?

They handle Generations and the Movie line.

All of the main Transformers toylines. Generations, movie lines, cartoon lines, etc.

So who's right now?

...Will and I both said the same thing.

No, you added the cartoon line and etc.. I colored that on purpose. Because to me it's interesting to know for which lines they are responsible.

John Warden and his team head the whole Transformers brand. That's the team I was originally referring to.

[Lunatic Prime]

Besides, why would the current design team headed by people who don't care for Beast Wars design a headsculpt with Beast Wars influences?

Is that design team responsible for all toylines or just Generations?

They handle Generations and the Movie line.

All of the main Transformers toylines. Generations, movie lines, cartoon lines, etc.

So who's right now?

...Will and I both said the same thing.

No, you added the cartoon line and etc.. I colored that on purpose. Because to me it's interesting to know for which lines they are responsible.

John Warden and his team head the whole Transformers brand. That's the team I was originally referring to.

Thanks, that's what I wanted to know.
But it's really a pity that they don't give BEAST WARS any love. I wonder why the R.I.D. line got so many beast modes then.

[Skritz]

gods thats hideious.

what a difference a head makes !

Indeed. What Nitro Zeus 'fix' of the bayformer jet esthetic with better proportions and a more solid, coherent design is completely ruined by that ugly bug monster face, whereas Nitro Zeus at least had that Movie Shockwave thing going on, which while still alien, doesn't look as hideous or monstrous.

[ToaLeePrime]

I wonder if we can expect to see a Skywarp in the future? I certainly hope so, it'd be nice to see a team of seekers whom aren't just repaints of each other.

[Jelze Bunnycat]

I wonder if we can expect to see a Skywarp in the future? I certainly hope so, it'd be nice to see a team of seekers whom aren't just repaints of each other.

Here's to hoping. All we need is a third Voyager Class jet mold...

[Rated X]

gods thats hideious.

what a difference a head makes !

its a pity titans returns never did a starscream head. then you could swap it out.

Buy Takara Legends Octane. He comes with a free "ghost" Starscream head. Its tinted very dark so its barely ghost.

[william-james88]

Besides, why would the current design team headed by people who don't care for Beast Wars design a headsculpt with Beast Wars influences?

Is that design team responsible for all toylines or just Generations?

They handle Generations and the Movie line.

All of the main Transformers toylines. Generations, movie lines, cartoon lines, etc.

So who's right now?

...Will and I both said the same thing.

No, you added the cartoon line and etc.. I colored that on purpose. Because to me it's interesting to know for which lines they are responsible.

John Warden and his team head the whole Transformers brand. That's the team I was originally referring to.

Thanks, that's what I wanted to know.
But it's really a pity that they don't give BEAST WARS any love. I wonder why the R.I.D. line got so many beast modes then.

I thought John Warden did not partake in designing the RID cartoon toys. He often seemed out of the loop when the subject came up.

[Overcracker]

I still don't understand why they are wasting a Studio Series slot with this crappy (sorry, my opinion) repaint of a crappy (again, just my humble opinion) TLK figure?

I thought the point of this line was to be all new molds?

But the wave 1 deluxes aren't even all new moulds, and the voyager star scream is just an upscale.

I'm not convinced the Jazz mold is new, unless it's "re-engineered" using the base figure.

Sorry, had to address. The new Jazz is a completely new mold. He has nothing from the original movie Jazz outside of transforming into a Pontiac Solstice.

Original Jazz



New Jazz



Legs are different, chest is different, arms are different. Yes he transforms in a similar fashion, because they need to follow the general transformation of the onscreen model, and they transform from the same vehicle mode to a very similar looking robot mode. But the car parts even end up in different places.

[Emerje]

But it's really a pity that they don't give BEAST WARS any love. I wonder why the R.I.D. line got so many beast modes then.

Probably because the toys are based on the cartoon and the toon staff seems to really like animals. Executive producer Jeff Klein had animals in Rescue Bots as well. Writer/story editor Steven Melching wrote some Beast Machines episodes and Transformers Prime: Beast Hunters Predacons Rising. And script coordinator/writer’s assistant Mairghread Scott is well known as a Beast Wars fan. So it's no real surprise that they were able to cram so many animal based characters into RID, but very few of them have animal alt modes, just animal themed bot modes.

I still don't understand why they are wasting a Studio Series slot with this crappy (sorry, my opinion) repaint of a crappy (again, just my humble opinion) TLK figure?

I thought the point of this line was to be all new molds?

But the wave 1 deluxes aren't even all new moulds, and the voyager star scream is just an upscale.

Pretty sure the whole idea is to make the most screen accurate versions of each character, bot likeness and scale. It just so happens some require new molds, but it isn't a requirement. Seeing as how Thundercracker didn't actually appear in any of the movies I agree that he's out of place in this line.

And I'm with Ironhidensh. I only bought Nitro because of all the hype, but was incredibly underwhelmed by it.

All I'm seeing is just a stylized version Movie Starscream's already-insectoid/beaked head.

Same, I'm not seeing Inferno at all in this head sculpt, just an extra buggy version of Starscream's.

Emerje