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[ZeroWolf]

I'm glad I didn't shell out $90 for the Takara Legends Blurr. This one looks like it will meet my cartoon-accurate needs, and the TR one will stick around as a season 4 and toy-inspired version.

I know a lot of SS fans don't feel that G1 is a good fit, but personally I'm grateful that we can get figures that complement rather than replace Generations toys. All of the characters on this page have had figures within the last five years, and these are substantively different in engineering, deco, and overall aesthetic.

Actually these are still Generations toys as Studio Series itself was just the live action movie arm of Generations. Plus with these not being numbered, it really adds to the theory that these would have ended up in Kingdom had they not decided to bring Beast Wars into the fold.

In essence, this is Hasbro having their cake and eating it (more G1 and beasts at the same time)

[Master Farr 1]

did they jump out of the actual movie or something?

[blackeyedprime]

Grimlock proportions look off, his arms look way too long. Some of the other figures look like their legs are too short but hopefully better photos will straighten that out.

Not fussed about wheelie transforming with having the pilotable tr/tl versions so he's just an added bonus.

[o.supreme]

One of the things I liked about SS was the numbering system. If they all have 86,that is pretty messed up, and pretty much makes it pointless now.

[cruizerdave]

That Blurr may end up being the dark horse favorite of the bunch!

[Immortal Starscream]

seriously, even though it is hard to make out completely from the teeny blurry images, what I can make out has me absolutely STOKED.

[ZeroWolf]

One of the things I liked about SS was the numbering system. If they all have 86,that is pretty messed up, and pretty much makes it pointless now.

I bet the bay movie figures carry on the numbering system

[Evil Eye]

Hmmm. Grimlock looks alright but man did they go overboard with the Sunbow influence. I really would have preferred gold over yellow and gunmetal over flat grey. Also no sword? C'mon. Might just go for the Takara Volcanicus set.

Jazz looks pretty nice though.

[Overcracker]

Need to see clearer pics, but. definitely picking up Hot Rod.

Probably picking up Grimlock, and maybe picking up Blurr. Have to see how he compares to TR Blurr though.

The other 3 don't interest me in the least.

[AcademyofDrX]

Actually these are still Generations toys as Studio Series itself was just the live action movie arm of Generations. Plus with these not being numbered, it really adds to the theory that these would have ended up in Kingdom had they not decided to bring Beast Wars into the fold.

In essence, this is Hasbro having their cake and eating it (more G1 and beasts at the same time)

Fair point on the Generations label as being a category across product lines rather than a specific product line, but what I'm trying to get at is that over different product lines over the years, we get new versions of G1 that emphasize different features. Settings aside the Kingdom versus SS debate, either way SS Blurr and TR Blurr are both G1 Blurr in both modes in a way that I wouldn't consider the 2010 version, or most Classics / Universe figures more generally. There are different product refreshes that emphasize different features. While there hasn't been a whole lot of character overlap between Prime Wars and WfC generally, we're starting to get more with SS86, but it doesn't feel redundant to me. (The WfC overlap is even lower when you exclude the principal leads and retools like TR Sound wave. And I'm saying between Prime Wars and WfC, not within WfC where there's tons of overlap between Siege and ER.)

So yes, we get a wider range of characters between multiple Generations lines, but the line play patterns and aesthetic priorities also allow for very different figures of the same characters, which I find very appealing since I'm a G1 collector first.

[Wolfman Jake]

Maybe it is just the picture quality but Jazz and Grimlock look more like R.E.D. figures than Generations figures. I guess that is the point of Studio Series, make them look exactly like they did on screen, but something about those two seems off. Looking forward to an official reveal and better quality pics.

Grimlock proportions look off, his arms look way too long. Some of the other figures look like their legs are too short but hopefully better photos will straighten that out.

The picture has been stretched vertically, so that's why the proportions look odd. The arms and legs are too long and the figures look skinnier than they really are.

[aronjlove]

Maybe it is just the picture quality but Jazz and Grimlock look more like R.E.D. figures than Generations figures. I guess that is the point of Studio Series, make them look exactly like they did on screen, but something about those two seems off. Looking forward to an official reveal and better quality pics.

Grimlock proportions look off, his arms look way too long. Some of the other figures look like their legs are too short but hopefully better photos will straighten that out.

The picture has been stretched vertically, so that's why the proportions look odd. The arms and legs are too long and the figures look skinnier than they really are.

Ah, that explains it!

[TF-fan kev777]

One of the things I liked about SS was the numbering system. If they all have 86,that is pretty messed up, and pretty much makes it pointless now.

I bet the bay movie figures carry on the numbering system

Same here, in fact, this might be as close to proof as we get that these were not originally intended for the SS line. If that is the case, then the numbers may not be pointless after all, aside from 86 covering multiple figures, and go right back to the traditional numbering for the rest of the bayverse figures.

Now here is a crazy thought, what if number 86 is the end of the line, and we are just getting them before the actual end to line up with Haslab Unicron's arrival. Since 69 is the Devy set that means 70-85 would be the remaining bayverse figures in the line.

[Solrac333]

My MP-08 Grimlock stands as my "Leader" scale Grimlock in my Classics shelf.

[Sentinel_Primal]

I may pick up Hot Rod, Jazz, and Grimlock. Maybe Scourge just to go with Kingdom Galvatron and Cyclonus. Hot Rod and Jazz are probably the most likely of figures to pick up. Does Hot Rod come with a Matrix?

[Notimus Crime]

Does Hot Rod come with a Matrix?

Yep, even comes with an effect part to recreate him opening it

[Sowndwave76]

Someone beat me to the punch, but I noticed right away that image on the right is skewed...
I really could tell once I glanced at the logo on the boxes.

Anyway, I'm really excited about that Grimlock...
I still remember what a letdown the Classics version was back in '07.
Imo it's ridiculous how long it's taken to get good figures for these characters...
Arguably these are some of the most popular Autobot characters from G1.

Can't wait to get clearer images!

[o.supreme]

One of the things I liked about SS was the numbering system. If they all have 86,that is pretty messed up, and pretty much makes it pointless now.

I bet the bay movie figures carry on the numbering system

Same here, in fact, this might be as close to proof as we get that these were not originally intended for the SS line. If that is the case, then the numbers may not be pointless after all, aside from 86 covering multiple figures, and go right back to the traditional numbering for the rest of the bayverse figures.

Now here is a crazy thought, what if number 86 is the end of the line, and we are just getting them before the actual end to line up with Haslab Unicron's arrival. Since 69 is the Devy set that means 70-85 would be the remaining bayverse figures in the line.

I had the same thought. But, that means in 2021, there would be 16 slots available for bayverse toys (#70-85), which is about normal for a given year *maybe* a little sparse but including the 86 line, makes it full.

However, what about after that? I mean I don't even collect this line, but I respect the idea behind it. Combining all the TF characters that have appeared in the 6 live action films, I came up with well over 150 possible entries. Will it just end at 86?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/86_(term)



...and if in 2022, they just pick up the live action line with 87 and moving on, it just seems a little disjointed and lame, since you know the number system will always be off by however many 86 toys there are...

[ZeroWolf]

Actually these are still Generations toys as Studio Series itself was just the live action movie arm of Generations. Plus with these not being numbered, it really adds to the theory that these would have ended up in Kingdom had they not decided to bring Beast Wars into the fold.

In essence, this is Hasbro having their cake and eating it (more G1 and beasts at the same time)

Fair point on the Generations label as being a category across product lines rather than a specific product line, but what I'm trying to get at is that over different product lines over the years, we get new versions of G1 that emphasize different features. Settings aside the Kingdom versus SS debate, either way SS Blurr and TR Blurr are both G1 Blurr in both modes in a way that I wouldn't consider the 2010 version, or most Classics / Universe figures more generally. There are different product refreshes that emphasize different features. While there hasn't been a whole lot of character overlap between Prime Wars and WfC generally, we're starting to get more with SS86, but it doesn't feel redundant to me. (The WfC overlap is even lower when you exclude the principal leads and retools like TR Sound wave. And I'm saying between Prime Wars and WfC, not within WfC where there's tons of overlap between Siege and ER.)

So yes, we get a wider range of characters between multiple Generations lines, but the line play patterns and aesthetic priorities also allow for very different figures of the same characters, which I find very appealing since I'm a G1 collector first.

Thats fair

[EvasionModeBumblebee]

I’m glad that these won’t share numbering with the usual Studio Series, but I am worried that these and Devastator will be our only “reveals” on Friday.

[First-Aid]

I know it's a distant picture, but did they change the coloring on Kup just a little bit? Something looks different than the reveals we had previously...

[Tuned Agent]

Hmmm. Grimlock looks alright but man did they go overboard with the Sunbow influence. I really would have preferred gold over yellow and gunmetal over flat grey. Also no sword? C'mon. Might just go for the Takara Volcanicus set.

That's my primary concern about Grimlock as well. I'm waiting for better pictures to judge, but if they go too cartoony with his deco and sculpt he's going to lose a lot of his "intimidation factor", which is pretty important for the Dinobots.

Blurr looks solid, I'll be interested in seeing how it compares to the TR version.

Jazz also looks decent so far. I'm very curious to see how it compares to RTS Jazz, as RTS Jazz is already basically perfection.

[Sabrblade]

Hmmm. Grimlock looks alright but man did they go overboard with the Sunbow influence. I really would have preferred gold over yellow and gunmetal over flat grey. Also no sword? C'mon. Might just go for the Takara Volcanicus set.

That's my primary concern about Grimlock as well. I'm waiting for better pictures to judge, but if they go too cartoony with his deco and sculpt he's going to lose a lot of his "intimidation factor", which is pretty important for the Dinobots.

He lost his intimidation factor from the moment he first uttered the words "Me, Grimlock," in that goofy caveman voice.

[Tuned Agent]

Hmmm. Grimlock looks alright but man did they go overboard with the Sunbow influence. I really would have preferred gold over yellow and gunmetal over flat grey. Also no sword? C'mon. Might just go for the Takara Volcanicus set.

That's my primary concern about Grimlock as well. I'm waiting for better pictures to judge, but if they go too cartoony with his deco and sculpt he's going to lose a lot of his "intimidation factor", which is pretty important for the Dinobots.

He lost his intimidation factor from the moment he first uttered the words "Me, Grimlock," in that goofy caveman voice.

Fair point.

[just_aCloud]

In case this hasn't already been asked:

Are we more excited for a Kingdom Commander class Hot Rod, or SS86 Hot Rod?