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News Credits: 438 · by **Sabrblade** » Thu Dec 29, 2011 1:04 pm

Also, this guy makes it sound like these three are very hard to find and watch online. Not so. One just has to know where to look. All three are readily available online.

by **gothsaurus** » Thu Dec 29, 2011 1:23 pm

Nice to hear they've tried to get Scramble City... sad there's a hitch on the other side of the pond. Alas.

by **drunyon73** » Thu Dec 29, 2011 8:51 pm

I have Scramble City and Zone on a Japanese release dvd that is region free NTSC with original japanese audio and english subtitles.

News Credits: 438 · by **Sabrblade** » Thu Dec 29, 2011 11:01 pm

drunyon73 wrote:I have Scramble City and Zone on a Japanese release dvd that is region free NTSC with original japanese audio and english subtitles.

It's probably this bootleg (or one like it) that has circulated the fandom over the years.

by **gothsaurus** » Fri Dec 30, 2011 10:30 am

How is this bootleg, by the way? Better than youtube?

News Credits: 438 · by **Sabrblade** » Fri Dec 30, 2011 11:29 am

gothsaurus wrote:How is this bootleg, by the way? Better than youtube?

As far as I can tell, all of the subtitled versions of Scramble City and Zone that are on YouTube seem to come from this bootleg. So, I'd estimate they're more or less the same.

The bootleg of Zone was included in the Metrodome boxed set of all three JG1 series, and it's of not-unwatchable quality.

The bootleg of Scramble City was included in the UK Metrodome Ultimate Edition of the G1 movie, and if the Zone bootleg was any indication, then I'd say it too is of okayish quality.

Neither perfect, nor uber terrible.

by **gothsaurus** » Fri Dec 30, 2011 12:14 pm

I appreciate the quick reply Sabrblade. You rock.

News Credits: 1 · by **RhA** » Tue Jan 03, 2012 3:57 pm

Sabrblade wrote:
griftimus prime wrote:horrible shows. masterforce is probably the worst of the 3
No one cares what you think.

I do. KILL HIM WITH FIRE.

by **dinogeist** » Tue Jan 03, 2012 10:56 pm

I love these japanse G-1 TF cartoon series.

my favorite is "headmasters" because it felt like the way hasbro's season 4 should of been. i liked that the first half of the headmasters episodes because it felt like hasbro's usa season 3.5. while the 2nd half felt like what hasbro's season 4 should have been.

my 2nd favorite is "masterforce", the animation company did a excellent job with the art work on the fight scenes. those still photo fight scenes looked like works of art. i liked the dark & mature theme of masterforce. the fight scenes & powerful transformers were pure awesome.

my least favorite was victory. because IMHO,This cartoon series looked like it was meant for toddlers. the stories were too contained. their was no strong ark/plot. the persona's were boring. i hated the toddler friendly intro's & outro's. most of the episodes seemed too generic,booring & awful.the writters did a horrible job with the individual TF persona's. the TF persona's felt like 1/2 of a 1-d persona. MOST OF ALL I DIDN'T CARE FOR ALL THE RECAP EPISODES,THEIR WERE TOO MANY. About the only high of this series is when godginrai died in battle & got rebuilt into victoryleo.

I'd rate the zone pilot episode as better than the entire victory cartoon series. because we got all those zombie decepticons.

i didn't care for the scramble city episode. it's overrated & not really a full episode. it feels like recycled scenes were pieced together in a sloppy amateur style way.

BTW,I don't need this shout Ultimate japanese TF collection. I bought the UK Metrodome Japanese G-1 TF collection off amazonuk.com years ago from a 80% off mas released clearance. I also got the complete UK Rid cartoon on mass release from amazonuk.com

by **gothsaurus** » Wed Jan 04, 2012 9:29 am

Hey TidalwaveX... great, concise reviews of all the series. Seriously, nice job cutting to the chase.

I agree with you across the board... Headmasters really felt more like a good season 4 than what we got here. Hearing from the writers at Botcon, they were forced to introduce like 80 new characters in the Rebirth (seriously!). It just flows awkwardly, full of name lists... and the Nebulans seem like a throw back to something you'd see in Flash Gordon. Robot Nebulans trump little green men any day. Anyway, that epic scene with Soundwave and Blaster alone would make Headmasters the best series of the three.

I warmed up to the end theme to Victory after a couple years of watching too much anime. The marching dinos still crack me up.

I think Scramble City appeals to me because it seems to fill the gap on earth where Autobot City just appears out of nowhere before the movie... and there are some appearances by little used characters and a bit of character development... not to mention the only instance I can think of where Gestalts switch limbs. (?) But given, also a lot of rehash.

I think I'm getting the new sets JUST to be able to play them on my PS3. I guess I'll be glad to support their USA release, even though I have the Metrodome boxes as well. Maybe if they're successful, we'll get Zone/Scramble. Here's hoping.

News Credits: 438 · by **Sabrblade** » Wed Jan 04, 2012 12:18 pm

gothsaurus wrote:not to mention the only instance I can think of where Gestalts switch limbs. (?)

Here's some more.

by **gothsaurus** » Wed Jan 04, 2012 12:30 pm

SQUEEEE.

News Credits: 438 · by **Sabrblade** » Wed Jan 04, 2012 12:46 pm

gothsaurus wrote:SQUEEEE.

The top pic is a "what if" scene that's all hypothetical.

The middle pic is of Destron Super Scramble and Cybertron Super Scramble.

The bottom pic is of Scramble 7.

Here's two more, but they're toy-only pics.

Abomenaticus

Comperian

by **gothsaurus** » Wed Jan 04, 2012 1:51 pm

well that saved my imagination a LOT of trouble!! Really fun to see those all together... and the what if brings a huge grin. Thanks a million.

News Credits: 438 · by **Sabrblade** » Wed Jan 04, 2012 2:04 pm

gothsaurus wrote:well that saved my imagination a LOT of trouble!! Really fun to see those all together... and the what if brings a huge grin. Thanks a million.

Scramble 7: The only seven-bot Scramble City-type combiner of G1.

And for dessert, have a Minibot Combiner:

by **gothsaurus** » Wed Jan 04, 2012 2:11 pm

So who was the 7th... and what was the attach point? Is that just counting a targetmaster Seacon or what?? :-?

So... many....limbs....

News Credits: 438 · by **Sabrblade** » Wed Jan 04, 2012 2:46 pm

gothsaurus wrote:So who was the 7th... and what was the attach point? Is that just counting a targetmaster Seacon or what?? So... many....limbs....

Turtler (Leader) (Torso)
Lobclaw (Gun in right hand)
Tentakil (Gun in left hand)
Blast Off (Right arm)
Brawl (Right foot)
Cutthroat (Left arm)
Dead End (Left foot)

by **gothsaurus** » Wed Jan 04, 2012 2:53 pm

Sweet. I'm totally gonna do that.

News Credits: 438 · by **Sabrblade** » Wed Jan 04, 2012 2:54 pm

gothsaurus wrote:Sweet. I'm totally gonna do that.

by **Fortress_Maximus** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 12:52 pm

Nice! Would love it if they had more extras for Fortress though. ANyone know if they do? Thanks!

by **Fortress_Maximus** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 1:05 pm

Also second the idea to put some more value for this hefty $100pricetag. Perhaps not a figure but reproduction artwork like the Rhino reproduction cels or an exclusive mail-in offer for a cel if you buy the entire set? Dunno. But the lack of extras really is a downer b/c the box artwork isn't anything to drool over. Really shows how Shout did the bare minimum to release these dvds.

News Credits: 438 · by **Sabrblade** » Wed Jan 11, 2012 1:34 pm

Fortress_Maximus wrote:Also second the idea to put some more value for this hefty $100pricetag. Perhaps not a figure but reproduction artwork like the Rhino reproduction cels or an exclusive mail-in offer for a cel if you buy the entire set? Dunno. But the lack of extras really is a downer b/c the box artwork isn't anything to drool over. Really shows how Shout did the bare minimum to release these dvds.

Not to mention their messing up the subtitles with their unnecessary Americanization overkill.

News Credits: 273 · by **Delicon** » Fri Jan 13, 2012 8:44 am

I picked up Headmasters and will probably stop there. While it's nice to see the story continue and more of that 80's style Transformers animation, I'm having a hard time getting into the subtitles. Of course, the prior English dubs of this are even worse, especially when they call the Autobot radio "Billy."

Watching this makes me realize just how much voice actors actually add to a cartoon.

News Credits: 438 · by **Sabrblade** » Fri Jan 13, 2012 9:12 am

Delicon wrote:I picked up Headmasters and will probably stop there. While it's nice to see the story continue and more of that 80's style Transformers animation, I'm having a hard time getting into the subtitles. Of course, the prior English dubs of this are even worse, especially when they call the Autobot radio "Billy."

Watching this makes me realize just how much voice actors actually add to a cartoon.

If you stop after The Headmasters, you'll miss out on the awesomeness that is Chojin Masterforce (arguably considered the best of the three) and the one after it, Victory (which has that classic Saturday morning episodic cartoon feel like G1 seasons 1-2).

by **gothsaurus** » Fri Jan 13, 2012 10:37 am

Yeah, watching those bad english dubs of headmasters really opens your eyes how much life the actors breathe into cartoons. BUT still, watching with subtitles you still get a lot of enjoyment out of the series. Just takes a little effort. Totally worth it to see the story continue. Still WAY better than Energon. :lol: