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[Galva Prime]

Definition of premier
1 : first in position, rank, or importance
2 : first in time : earliest

Definition of premiere
: premier
Origin and Etymology of premiere
alteration of 'premier'

(from websters online dictionary)

So what distinction are we trying to draw here if the word means "First" that is all I can really infer from it.

As has been previously implied there is nothing about these $20.00 deluxes that screams platinium or premium quality here. they seem to simply be out first.

I suppose someone could be using the word due to the movie connotation of film premieres

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But i'm still not sure if the first 4 or 6 deluxes will be boxed then they will change to carded toys - or if the whole line looks like this.

I'll tell you right now i'm not buying that repaint Bumblebee for £15.00 let alone for £20.00 I'm happy to buy a darker toned Slash or The dread or barry for £12.00 to £15.00 if I'm feeling the need to buy something in a few months.

But frankly It would be a better use of my money to spend that money on Takara movie toys. (especially Starscream and Ratchet) not to mention a lot is happening soon in 3rd party and premium-KO's that are a better bang for my buck.

But i'm fond of barry so I'll likely get him as soon as is reasonable.

I do wish they'd reissued dlx Soundwave though as he's a tricky fella to get in deluxe from - I can understand why they'd not do Dlx leadfoot due to expense of renewing the NASCAR licence - and he is supposed to be getting KO'd soon anyway in his unreleased sponsored deco to boot- so that is less of an issue.

There are quite a few meanings for premier, and I'm guessing the ones Hasbro are going with are 'top-tier', 'highest', 'second to none' and of course 'prime'. It means 'first' but in the sense of rank or status etc. rather than first chronologically. Premier and premiere did originate from the same word, but they've gained slightly different uses. Kind of how skirt and shirt came for the same Norse word. The hotel chain Premier Inn isn't claiming to be the first ever hotels, but rather the best; the Premier League is the the football league for the top tier clubs.

Obviously Hasbro is really exaggerating the quality here, but I suppose compared to the one steps these are the best.

premier
ˈprɛmɪə,ˈpriːmɪə/
adjective
adjective: premier
1.
first in importance, order, or position; leading.
"Germany's premier rock band"
synonyms: leading, foremost, chief, principal, head, top-ranking, top, top-tier, prime, primary, first, highest, second to none, pre-eminent, main, senior, outstanding, master; More
ranking;
informaltop-notch, crack
"one of Britain's premier chefs"
of earliest creation.
"he holds the premier barony in the UK—created in 1269"
noun
noun: premier; plural noun: premiers
1.
a prime minister or other head of government.
synonyms: head of government, prime minister, PM, president, chief minister, chancellor
"the Italian premier"
(in Australia and Canada) the chief minister of a government of a state or province.

I can't see they'd be boxing the first wave of deluxes but not the rest. I'm guessing they're doing that to further distinguish them from the simpler figures. The AOE deluxes and power battlers got very easily mixed up on the pegs.

[william-james88]

Obviously Hasbro is really exaggerating the quality here, but I suppose compared to the one steps these are the best.

Oh I get it now, its to distinguish from other more simple figures. That makes sense since it wasnt always obvious with AOE (like Strafe).

Thanks!

[RAR]

This depresses me.

[Emerje]

To those wondering about the Premier Editions, this is just the new name for Movie Generations, now that the Generations Prime Wars line will continue concurrently with the movie figures.

That can't be the actual reasoning since Generations Age of Extinction ran concurrently with Generations Thrilling 30 in 2014. More likely they're just trying to avoid any possible retailer confusion this time around since it was a bad idea already the last time.

Emerje

[RAR]

I have this horrible thought despite the sales figures showing the "Generations" line is pretty popular that they might throw all 3 other mainline under the bus for what seems to be a line of partial repaints.

The really tragic thing is they had a real chance to redeem themselves here with something like a new mould really good 1970's Bumblebee Deluxe.

I'm frankly kind of perplexed what they are going to put in the "Legends" class movie toy releases.

Squeeks certainly - but what else ?

Now if it was me I'd be using the excuse of the 10th Anniversary and making smaller toys of Wheelie, Brains, Igor, Frenzy, The Kitchen Crew, even Alice.

For example they never made a Bunny-bot toy or Frenzy as a Mobile phone.

If they just make the same characters as usual in a smaller size I really won't see the point of that.

It would be fine for a gimic subline for example the scout size RID toys with Minicons and armour if they made something like that only with Movie characters - I'd be up for that.

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Anyone got any ideas what they might do with the Legends class (movie) line? as I'm perplexed.

[Stuartmaximus]

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[DedicatedGhostArt]

It says "Autobots Stobotua", or just "Autobots Autobots" with one upside down.

[Emerje]

Anyone got any ideas what they might do with the Legends class (movie) line? as I'm perplexed.

I imagine they'll just pad it with small versions of the movie cast just like every Legends (and Cyberverse) line before it. This isn't going to be like the Scout class from the earlier movies, this is going to blend a lot of different sized characters into one line.

Emerje

[RAR]

Anyone got any ideas what they might do with the Legends class (movie) line? as I'm perplexed.

I imagine they'll just pad it with small versions of the movie cast just like every Legends (and Cyberverse) line before it. This isn't going to be like the Scout class from the earlier movies, this is going to blend a lot of different sized characters into one line.

Emerje

Yes that would make total sense for "Legion" class but for "Legends" not so much.

I'd rather have Legions in some case as the scale would make more sense - but Legion Dinobot would be nice - but then so would Legends.

If they did both sizes and treated the Legends class like Cyberverse Commander Class then I'm a happy pussycat (so to speak) .

I hope they play catch up with all the didn't do for AOE though with the Legions (if there is legions that are not just reissues/repaints)

[Emerje]

Anyone got any ideas what they might do with the Legends class (movie) line? as I'm perplexed.

I imagine they'll just pad it with small versions of the movie cast just like every Legends (and Cyberverse) line before it. This isn't going to be like the Scout class from the earlier movies, this is going to blend a lot of different sized characters into one line.

Emerje

Yes that would make total sense for "Legion" class but for "Legends" not so much.

Since when does scale ever make sense in Transformers. After all the first two post-Legion Legends were Optimus and Bumblebee at the very same size. I don't really see any reason for that to change now.

Emerje

[SkyWarpt]

Wondering if premier is more along the lines of Preview figs for 2007 flick or 1st editions for prime

[Jelze Bunnycat]

Anyone got any ideas what they might do with the Legends class (movie) line? as I'm perplexed.

I imagine they'll just pad it with small versions of the movie cast just like every Legends (and Cyberverse) line before it. This isn't going to be like the Scout class from the earlier movies, this is going to blend a lot of different sized characters into one line.

Emerje

Yes that would make total sense for "Legion" class but for "Legends" not so much.

Since when does scale ever make sense in Transformers. After all the first two post-Legion Legends were Optimus and Bumblebee at the very same size. I don't really see any reason for that to change now.

Emerje

It's going to be the whole "Legends" vs. "Legions" debate all over again, huh?

The worst part is while Legion/Pre-DotM Legends Class is clearly defined as having small versions of characters of its main line, Legends Class isn't as clear cut, because for the most part it has the smaller characters of any given line, with smaller versions of larger characters mixed in. Then again, when it comes to dedicated molds the latter has been sporadic:

- Optimus Prime
- Starscream
- Megatron
- Gnaw (come on, at their current size they're little ankle biters!)

I don't know if I should count the Insecticons, as they're stated to be the size of their Diaclone toys. And Bumblebee is just a weird case feeling at home in both Deluxe and Legends.

:-? Wondering if premier is more along the lines of Preview figs for 2007 flick or 1st editions for prime

Apples and oranges: the "Preview" figures for 2007 and RotF were normal figures in a special first wave, while Prime 1st Edition had Generation-style designs, which was rendered moot for all purposes with Prime Robots in Disguise.

As explained before, "Premier" (not "premiere" as in "first") is mostly likely the name for the Generations-styled toys. It being called out on the packaging makes it easier to identify them from simpler toys of similar size. I still remember the stockers getting confused between Gen. Deluxe Class and the similarly-sized Power Battlers during AoE.

[Kurona]

Anyone got any ideas what they might do with the Legends class (movie) line? as I'm perplexed.

I imagine they'll just pad it with small versions of the movie cast just like every Legends (and Cyberverse) line before it. This isn't going to be like the Scout class from the earlier movies, this is going to blend a lot of different sized characters into one line.

Emerje

Yes that would make total sense for "Legion" class but for "Legends" not so much.

Since when does scale ever make sense in Transformers. After all the first two post-Legion Legends were Optimus and Bumblebee at the very same size. I don't really see any reason for that to change now.

Emerje

It's going to be the whole "Legends" vs. "Legions" debate all over again, huh?

The worst part is while Legion/Pre-DotM Legends Class is clearly defined as having small versions of characters of its main line, Legends Class isn't as clear cut, because for the most part it has the smaller characters of any given line, with smaller versions of larger characters mixed in. Then again, when it comes to dedicated molds the latter has been sporadic:

- Optimus Prime
- Starscream
- Megatron
- Gnaw (come on, at their current size they're little ankle biters!)

I don't know if I should count the Insecticons, as they're stated to be the size of their Diaclone toys. And Bumblebee is just a weird case feeling at home in both Deluxe and Legends.

Also Shockwave; even though there's an obvious reason why he was that scale in the first place.

[Emerje]

Anyone got any ideas what they might do with the Legends class (movie) line? as I'm perplexed.

I imagine they'll just pad it with small versions of the movie cast just like every Legends (and Cyberverse) line before it. This isn't going to be like the Scout class from the earlier movies, this is going to blend a lot of different sized characters into one line.

Emerje

Yes that would make total sense for "Legion" class but for "Legends" not so much.

Since when does scale ever make sense in Transformers. After all the first two post-Legion Legends were Optimus and Bumblebee at the very same size. I don't really see any reason for that to change now.

Emerje

It's going to be the whole "Legends" vs. "Legions" debate all over again, huh?

The worst part is while Legion/Pre-DotM Legends Class is clearly defined as having small versions of characters of its main line, Legends Class isn't as clear cut, because for the most part it has the smaller characters of any given line, with smaller versions of larger characters mixed in. Then again, when it comes to dedicated molds the latter has been sporadic:

- Optimus Prime
- Starscream
- Megatron
- Gnaw (come on, at their current size they're little ankle biters!)

I don't know if I should count the Insecticons, as they're stated to be the size of their Diaclone toys. And Bumblebee is just a weird case feeling at home in both Deluxe and Legends.

Also Shockwave; even though there's an obvious reason why he was that scale in the first place.

Let's not forget Hot Rod as well, for the same reason as Shockwave. Interestingly he's the only one of the larger characters that is a repaint of one of the smaller characters (while there are a lot of examples of the opposite).

Emerje

[Kurona]

Anyone got any ideas what they might do with the Legends class (movie) line? as I'm perplexed.

I imagine they'll just pad it with small versions of the movie cast just like every Legends (and Cyberverse) line before it. This isn't going to be like the Scout class from the earlier movies, this is going to blend a lot of different sized characters into one line.

Emerje

Yes that would make total sense for "Legion" class but for "Legends" not so much.

Since when does scale ever make sense in Transformers. After all the first two post-Legion Legends were Optimus and Bumblebee at the very same size. I don't really see any reason for that to change now.

Emerje

It's going to be the whole "Legends" vs. "Legions" debate all over again, huh?

The worst part is while Legion/Pre-DotM Legends Class is clearly defined as having small versions of characters of its main line, Legends Class isn't as clear cut, because for the most part it has the smaller characters of any given line, with smaller versions of larger characters mixed in. Then again, when it comes to dedicated molds the latter has been sporadic:

- Optimus Prime
- Starscream
- Megatron
- Gnaw (come on, at their current size they're little ankle biters!)

I don't know if I should count the Insecticons, as they're stated to be the size of their Diaclone toys. And Bumblebee is just a weird case feeling at home in both Deluxe and Legends.

Also Shockwave; even though there's an obvious reason why he was that scale in the first place.

Let's not forget Hot Rod as well, for the same reason as Shockwave. Interestingly he's the only one of the larger characters that is a repaint of one of the smaller characters (while there are a lot of examples of the opposite).

Emerje

They did specify dedicated molds, so...

[DedicatedGhostArt]

Could it be possible that the Premier Editions do not count towards the main line? I guess we'll find out soon enough.

Well, it is premier edition. I'd assume that it would at least get a name change after the movie gets released.

[Jelze Bunnycat]

Could it be possible that the Premier Editions do not count towards the main line? I guess we'll find out soon enough.

Well, it is premier edition. I'd assume that it would at least get a name change after the movie gets released.

Not "Premiere" as in first. It's "Premier" as in "Elite". One letter makes all the difference.

[DedicatedGhostArt]

Could it be possible that the Premier Editions do not count towards the main line? I guess we'll find out soon enough.

Well, it is premier edition. I'd assume that it would at least get a name change after the movie gets released.

Not "Premiere" as in first. It's "Premier" as in "Elite". One letter makes all the difference.

Hmm, well, it seems to me that Hasbro wouldn't want to confuse us like that, but whatever. I kinda hope it's just a play on words.

It also is not just "premier movie line" or something like that, but rather "premier edition". The word "edition" also makes me think this is not for the whole line. But who knows.

[Va'al]

Could it be possible that the Premier Editions do not count towards the main line? I guess we'll find out soon enough.

Well, it is premier edition. I'd assume that it would at least get a name change after the movie gets released.

Not "Premiere" as in first. It's "Premier" as in "Elite". One letter makes all the difference.

Hmm, well, it seems to me that Hasbro wouldn't want to confuse us like that, but whatever. I kinda hope it's just a play on words.

It also is not just "premier movie line" or something like that, but rather "premier edition". The word "edition" also makes me think this is not for the whole line. But who knows.

There's nothing really confusing about that difference, unless you have no knowledge the two words existing, or of any other language. Which might be the case for a lot of people, I realise, typing this, so fair enough.

As for the latter point, the 'edition' monicker may indicate a 'limited run' yes. But we'll see in a couple of weeks, with Toy Fair coming up.

[Emerje]

They did specify dedicated molds, so...

And? I was only pointing him out as an oddity among the "larger" characters. Of all of them he's the only one that isn't a dedicated mold.

Emerje

[Overcracker]

Could it be possible that the Premier Editions do not count towards the main line? I guess we'll find out soon enough.

Well, it is premier edition. I'd assume that it would at least get a name change after the movie gets released.

Not "Premiere" as in first. It's "Premier" as in "Elite". One letter makes all the difference.

Hmm, well, it seems to me that Hasbro wouldn't want to confuse us like that, but whatever. I kinda hope it's just a play on words.

It also is not just "premier movie line" or something like that, but rather "premier edition". The word "edition" also makes me think this is not for the whole line. But who knows.

I would wager its going to be similar to what they did with the Premium Edition figures for the 2007 Movie Line. Where certain main line figures got "premium" paint jobs.

2007 Barricade (regular)


2007 Barricade (Premium Edition)


2007 Ironhide (regular)


2007 Ironhide (Premium Edition)

[RAR]

Oh poor Barry what did the bad man do to you !!!

[Kurona]

So basically... wait for the Recon version?

[Emerje]

It also is not just "premier movie line" or something like that, but rather "premier edition". The word "edition" also makes me think this is not for the whole line. But who knows.

I would wager its going to be similar to what they did with the Premium Edition figures for the 2007 Movie Line. Where certain main line figures got "premium" paint jobs.

Problem is, could you really picture these figures with less paint? If this is the premium version then how do they drop from there?

Emerje

[Overcracker]

It also is not just "premier movie line" or something like that, but rather "premier edition". The word "edition" also makes me think this is not for the whole line. But who knows.

I would wager its going to be similar to what they did with the Premium Edition figures for the 2007 Movie Line. Where certain main line figures got "premium" paint jobs.

Problem is, could you really picture these figures with less paint? If this is the premium version then how do they drop from there?

Emerje

There's always grey plastic....