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Yotsuyasan wrote:I just hope it is either a new mold or one heck of a remold of Ultra Magnus. My reasoning:
Most obviously, Optimus's trailer should not be a car carrier.
I think, even more then with Magnus where I could forgive loosing it, Optimus needs to retain having his cab transform separately into a smaller "core" robot.
I rather hope they somehow actually include the Powermaster gimmick, and "Powermaster" isn't just in his name. I suppose they could remold/repaint the little guy that came with Magnus into Hi-Q/Ginrai, but then Hi-Q/Ginrai would transform into a car rather than an engine.
So, could a remold of Magnus work? Possibly. I even saw a photo of Magnus fan-mode transformed into a half-way decent base mode that, in a version of the toy remolded to make such a mode intentional, could work pretty nicely. But it would have to be, as I said, one heck of a remold to really work.
(And, as a side note, I wonder if we'll ever get Godbomber/Apex Bomber? Probably not from Hasbro, but maybe Takara or a third party might pop one out to go with Optimus.)
BATTLEMASTER IIC wrote:I would really appreciate the irony if Powermaster Optimus Prime was a redeco or retool of the CW Ultra Magnus figure, instead of the other way around as it had been for years
bluecatcinema wrote:Yeah, a UM remold wouldn't work for me. Unless they did some heavy overhauling, HiQ would end up hidden inside the chest. It just wouldn't live up to the original style.
bluecatcinema wrote:Yeah, a UM remold wouldn't work for me. Unless they did some heavy overhauling, HiQ would end up hidden inside the chest. It just wouldn't live up to the original style.
RodimusRex wrote:bluecatcinema wrote:Yeah, a UM remold wouldn't work for me. Unless they did some heavy overhauling, HiQ would end up hidden inside the chest. It just wouldn't live up to the original style.
If they go with Magnus, it would probably be Apex Armor Powermaster Prime.
Incredibly quick and dirty mockup:
The shoulder extensions bug me. I agree about the car carrier aspect but if they were willing to put a bit more into it, maybe he could have Apex armor wings that shellform around the carrier to form a trailer. PM Prime's trailer was never pretty.
ZeroWolf wrote:To be completely fair, it is a prime after all plus Takara could have a say in it for obvious reasons
ZeroWolf wrote:To be completely fair, it is a prime after all plus Takara could have a say in it for obvious reasons
Emerje wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:To be completely fair, it is a prime after all plus Takara could have a say in it for obvious reasons
See, this is what I was thinking. Making Powermaster Optimus Prime out of Ultra Magnus is fine and all, but if there isn't at least a small regular Prime that fits inside the Japanese are going to angry. They're going to want both Ginrai and Super Ginrai in this, the later alone isn't enough. And don't even think of remolding Minimus Ambus into Ginrai.
Emerje
Railbomb wrote:RodimusRex wrote:bluecatcinema wrote:Yeah, a UM remold wouldn't work for me. Unless they did some heavy overhauling, HiQ would end up hidden inside the chest. It just wouldn't live up to the original style.
If they go with Magnus, it would probably be Apex Armor Powermaster Prime.
Incredibly quick and dirty mockup:
The shoulder extensions bug me. I agree about the car carrier aspect but if they were willing to put a bit more into it, maybe he could have Apex armor wings that shellform around the carrier to form a trailer. PM Prime's trailer was never pretty.
I'd imagine that Powermaster Prime would have a brand new trailer if he was remolded from Magnus. Plus, Powermaster Prime's toy didn't really need Hi-Q to combine with his trailer so if Hi-Q is a remold of Minimus Ambus that won't really bother me they'd just need to change the chest area on him.
Emerje wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:To be completely fair, it is a prime after all plus Takara could have a say in it for obvious reasons
See, this is what I was thinking. Making Powermaster Optimus Prime out of Ultra Magnus is fine and all, but if there isn't at least a small regular Prime that fits inside the Japanese are going to angry. They're going to want both Ginrai and Super Ginrai in this, the later alone isn't enough. And don't even think of remolding Minimus Ambus into Ginrai.
So did anyone else pull out their Magnus figure and play around with it to see if it could be done? The truck cab is about the size of a Deluxe which is fine with me if they were to make a simple Deluxe Optimus Prime that transforms like the original PM OP with minimum articulation (neck, shoulders, elbows, hips, knees, and ankles) it could be done pretty cheaply and easily.
The arms are the easiest thing to modify. They can make completely new arms, but leave the way they're brought together. Then instead of folding them back to make the top of the carrier slide the hands in (like the Japanese figure) and point them straight down to make the front of the trailer. The rest of the trailer could possibly be done through a series of folded panels to make a box which can double as ramps and whatnot in base mode. People have mentioned the UM chest panel being in the way, but it isn't an essential part of the transformation in either mode so it can be removed completely.
So yeah, it can be done, but is it really worth doing this way instead of starting over?
Emerje
Rodimus Prime wrote:You can't make me disappear. I am not feet.
OptimalOptimus2 wrote:I doubt Powermaster Optimus Prime is from the Ultra Magnus mold. It could be a possibility (with Minimus Ambus repainted into Hi-Q), yes, but it wouldn't make any sense for them to do that. I also doubt Hasbro is going to use the Godbomber design for Powermaster Optimus Prime. Hasbro rarely uses Takara's designs for their Transformers toys.
OptimalOptimus2 wrote:I doubt Powermaster Optimus Prime is from the Ultra Magnus mold. It could be a possibility (with Minimus Ambus repainted into Hi-Q), yes, but it wouldn't make any sense for them to do that. I also doubt Hasbro is going to use the Godbomber design for Powermaster Optimus Prime. Hasbro rarely uses Takara's designs for their Transformers toys.
Railbomb wrote:Emerje wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:To be completely fair, it is a prime after all plus Takara could have a say in it for obvious reasons
See, this is what I was thinking. Making Powermaster Optimus Prime out of Ultra Magnus is fine and all, but if there isn't at least a small regular Prime that fits inside the Japanese are going to angry. They're going to want both Ginrai and Super Ginrai in this, the later alone isn't enough. And don't even think of remolding Minimus Ambus into Ginrai.
Emerje
To be fair they did just release Ultra Magnus without a small prime cab AND Alpha Trion with fiction putting him inside Magnus. If they were making an MP Ginrai then they would be upset if the cab wasn't its own figure but this isn't a MP and cuts have to be taken somewhere.
OptimalOptimus2 wrote:I doubt Powermaster Optimus Prime is from the Ultra Magnus mold. It could be a possibility (with Minimus Ambus repainted into Hi-Q), yes, but it wouldn't make any sense for them to do that. I also doubt Hasbro is going to use the Godbomber design for Powermaster Optimus Prime. Hasbro rarely uses Takara's designs for their Transformers toys.
Emerje wrote:Railbomb wrote:Emerje wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:To be completely fair, it is a prime after all plus Takara could have a say in it for obvious reasons
See, this is what I was thinking. Making Powermaster Optimus Prime out of Ultra Magnus is fine and all, but if there isn't at least a small regular Prime that fits inside the Japanese are going to angry. They're going to want both Ginrai and Super Ginrai in this, the later alone isn't enough. And don't even think of remolding Minimus Ambus into Ginrai.
Emerje
To be fair they did just release Ultra Magnus without a small prime cab AND Alpha Trion with fiction putting him inside Magnus. If they were making an MP Ginrai then they would be upset if the cab wasn't its own figure but this isn't a MP and cuts have to be taken somewhere.
Sure, but that was just them shoehorning it to the nth degree. The alternatives were to either leave the little figure out completely or try to explain who Minimus Ambus is. The whole thing was made by Hasbro's design from the comics where there isn't a white Prime inside. Takara Tomy themselves made MP Magnus without a Prime body so that was clearly acceptable for the Legends figure. On the flip side they've never made a Transforming Super Ginrai that couldn't stand alone as regular Ginrai as well. It'd be a lot harder to explain why human Ginrai's Transtector goes directly to Super Ginrai without regular Transtector Ginrai in between.
Emerje
Railbomb wrote:Emerje wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:To be completely fair, it is a prime after all plus Takara could have a say in it for obvious reasons
See, this is what I was thinking. Making Powermaster Optimus Prime out of Ultra Magnus is fine and all, but if there isn't at least a small regular Prime that fits inside the Japanese are going to angry. They're going to want both Ginrai and Super Ginrai in this, the later alone isn't enough. And don't even think of remolding Minimus Ambus into Ginrai.
Emerje
To be fair they did just release Ultra Magnus without a small prime cab AND Alpha Trion with fiction putting him inside Magnus. If they were making an MP Ginrai then they would be upset if the cab wasn't its own figure but this isn't a MP and cuts have to be taken somewhere.
Railbomb wrote:Emerje wrote:Railbomb wrote:Emerje wrote:ZeroWolf wrote:To be completely fair, it is a prime after all plus Takara could have a say in it for obvious reasons
See, this is what I was thinking. Making Powermaster Optimus Prime out of Ultra Magnus is fine and all, but if there isn't at least a small regular Prime that fits inside the Japanese are going to angry. They're going to want both Ginrai and Super Ginrai in this, the later alone isn't enough. And don't even think of remolding Minimus Ambus into Ginrai.
Emerje
To be fair they did just release Ultra Magnus without a small prime cab AND Alpha Trion with fiction putting him inside Magnus. If they were making an MP Ginrai then they would be upset if the cab wasn't its own figure but this isn't a MP and cuts have to be taken somewhere.
Sure, but that was just them shoehorning it to the nth degree. The alternatives were to either leave the little figure out completely or try to explain who Minimus Ambus is. The whole thing was made by Hasbro's design from the comics where there isn't a white Prime inside. Takara Tomy themselves made MP Magnus without a Prime body so that was clearly acceptable for the Legends figure. On the flip side they've never made a Transforming Super Ginrai that couldn't stand alone as regular Ginrai as well. It'd be a lot harder to explain why human Ginrai's Transtector goes directly to Super Ginrai without regular Transtector Ginrai in between.
Emerje
Place it sometime after Super God Masterforce or Victory (sometime after the transector gets its own mind and the human Ginrai isn't needed) and have the human Ginrai placed in some situation where he has to fight the Decepticons again and he has a new transector made for him. bam. problem solved.
RodimusRex wrote:The smart thing would be for Hasbro to tell Takara of plans to do a minimally retooled version and then say, "But if you want to pay for more tooling, we'll split the cost with you and do it your way."
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