The Energon Pub

Holy sh!t it's so HOLLOW

Those forearms, those thighs, those everything.

Ugh. Money saved I guess.

carytheone wrote:

Agamemnon wrote:

carytheone wrote:

william-james88 wrote:I am doing it wrong then.

Possibly, try wiggling it around a bit. You can kinda feel when it's right. Pretty snug acutally.

Okay, these quotes need to be taken out of context.

But, yeah, I'll add to this that once the gun is wedged in the palm of my UM, with that bottom ledge creating a friction fit in the hand, it's pretty solid. Now, over time, I can see this loosening up. So, maybe you slid in and out of the palm too many times?

Speaking of taking a quote out of context

That was a bit of a softball, wasn't it? #canplaythestraightman

On TR PW OP, I am bummed they are removing the Powermaster gimmick. I thought it was one of the defining features. I'll still likely get him.

And at this point, I'm not bothered by hollowness any more. Structural integrity and reduction of weight, especially in a leader figure, appeal to me.

Will Apex/Hi-Q (?) be a power battery or a "face" master? Either way instant buy!

Addendum: Will the Japanese branch of Lightfoot Industry initiate the Godbomber Project? Did Grand send in the blue prints already?

fenrir72 wrote:Will Apex/Hi-Q (?) be a power battery or a "face" master? Either way instant buy!

Addendum: Will the Japanese branch of Lightfoot Industry initiate the Godbomber Project? Did Grand send in the blue prints already?

Said in the news post: "This version of the character no longer has a "Powermaster" engine, but instead continues the trend of Titans Return by having a head that transforms. As with Galvatron and Blaster, a "helmet" fits over the standard sized head."

Agamemnon wrote:And at this point, I'm not bothered by hollowness any more. Structural integrity and reduction of weight, especially in a leader figure, appeal to me.

Me neither. I honestly only notice it when I hear other people talk about it.

That said, I do find it odd that they left the inside of the forearms open, since had they left the bottom open instead, it would've been covered with the panels.

Hellscream9999 wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:Will Apex/Hi-Q (?) be a power battery or a "face" master? Either way instant buy!

Addendum: Will the Japanese branch of Lightfoot Industry initiate the Godbomber Project? Did Grand send in the blue prints already?

Said in the news post: "This version of the character no longer has a "Powermaster" engine, but instead continues the trend of Titans Return by having a head that transforms. As with Galvatron and Blaster, a "helmet" fits over the standard sized head."

If you got the gist of my post, it's about the new background of ole Op. If you recall, original Powermaster Op concept actually would have come with "both" engine and headmaster gimmick. Then we got cost cutting and a useless head kibble. Roller/Buggy was supposed to be the head + the humanoid engine.

So is "Apex" Optimus or a separate entity with merged personalities. What happens to the "crest" that makes up the rest of the head? Is the story background on Op such that by merging with a "head" powers him up?

As for all the other complaints on being hollow, they propbably didn't own the original. Aside from the cab torso, almose everything in the Powermaster OP + Godbomber/ Apexbomber was "hollow"

fenrir72 wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

fenrir72 wrote:Will Apex/Hi-Q (?) be a power battery or a "face" master? Either way instant buy!

Addendum: Will the Japanese branch of Lightfoot Industry initiate the Godbomber Project? Did Grand send in the blue prints already?

Said in the news post: "This version of the character no longer has a "Powermaster" engine, but instead continues the trend of Titans Return by having a head that transforms. As with Galvatron and Blaster, a "helmet" fits over the standard sized head."

If you got the gist of my post, it's about the new background of ole Op. If you recall, original Powermaster Op concept actually would have come with "both" engine and headmaster gimmick. Then we got cost cutting and a useless head kibble. Roller/Buggy was supposed to be the head + the humanoid engine.

So is "Apex" Optimus or a separate entity with merged personalities. What happens to the "crest" that makes up the rest of the head? Is the story background on Op such that by merging with a "head" powers him up?

As for all the other complaints on being hollow, they propbably didn't own the original. Aside from the cab torso, almose everything in the Powermaster OP + Godbomber/ Apexbomber was "hollow"

I have no idea, guess you'll have to wait for the comics, or whatever, to catch up to the titan wars fiction.

As for the hollowness, I only noticed that um was stupidly light, but I feel that it is now the default complaint to go to for people who feel the compulsion to b!tch about new figures.

(and, no, I didn't get the gist of your post, I wasn't around for G1 and never 'looked into' the older figures before)

carytheone wrote: Much like Scotty I can shake UM and the main gun holds fine. Must be YMMV thing. I do find the turducken gavel gun is a little squirrely though. But it's been banished to the box of misfit accesorries anyway.

Shaking is fine, its when I bend his ratcheted elbows. Do your stay put when you do that?

Hm yeah the exposed hollowness does ruin the overall look somewhat. Anyone got tips on filling those in with a lightweight material? Kinda miss having the cab turn into a smaller Prime to interact with the base too. The robot as is does look decent apart from the already mentioned hollow parts.

Really don't like the Titan mini-figures much. Feel same way about Gen Brainstorm's lil buddy. The original headmasters just looked much better in general shape and appearance in their non-head mode. And this constant helmet thing going on with the larger figures just seems a bit of a cop-out. At least it looks a bit better than G1 Scorponok's awful attempt (the worst thing about an otherwise fun awesome at the time figure).

To Will and anyone interested in the base-building gimmick, I think I've discovered the interlocking method.

Note the strange door hinge clip on blasters base mode ramps:




are the same as the door hinge clips on pm/op's legs:




It would seem that you simply clip the panels together, and you now have a bigger base mode.

It would be cool of hasbro to release official pics of blaster combined with pm/op and maybe fort max, to really show off this gimmick in all it's glory.

Carnivius_Prime wrote:Hm yeah the exposed hollowness does ruin the overall look somewhat. Anyone got tips on filling those in with a lightweight material? Kinda miss having the cab turn into a smaller Prime to interact with the base too. The robot as is does look decent apart from the already mentioned hollow parts.

Really don't like the Titan mini-figures much. Feel same way about Gen Brainstorm's lil buddy. The original headmasters just looked much better in general shape and appearance in their non-head mode. And this constant helmet thing going on with the larger figures just seems a bit of a cop-out. At least it looks a bit better than G1 Scorponok's awful attempt (the worst thing about an otherwise fun awesome at the time figure).

They only do it, so that the bot modes all have proportionate heads across all class ranges while using a universal headmaster figure. I dislike simply because it seems to be the end of ball-jointed necks, which is inexcusable in my books

I would kill to see a Nemesis Prime made out of this guy, or, The Fallen with a new helmet to match his War Within headsculpt

Hellscream9999 wrote:They only do it, so that the bot modes all have proportionate heads across all class ranges while using a universal headmaster figure. I dislike simply because it seems to be the end of ball-jointed necks, which is inexcusable in my books

Same here. I was impressed that they managed that with Brainstorm by using the lil guy's own neck joint (even if they had to do a running change fix for it, my one's the later release so phew). Losing that joint seems like a step backwards.

Carnivius_Prime wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:They only do it, so that the bot modes all have proportionate heads across all class ranges while using a universal headmaster figure. I dislike simply because it seems to be the end of ball-jointed necks, which is inexcusable in my books

Same here. I was impressed that they managed that with Brainstorm by using the lil guy's own neck joint (even if they had to do a running change fix for it, my one's the later release so phew). Losing that joint seems like a step backwards.

Well, we don't know it's gone, only that:


-it was a qc nightmare

-they don't seem to have that movement in the cg or in-hand pics

-the helmets definitely don't allow for y-axis movement


At the very least, they seem to have an incorporated mushroom peg for a neck:

Carnivius_Prime wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:They only do it, so that the bot modes all have proportionate heads across all class ranges while using a universal headmaster figure. I dislike simply because it seems to be the end of ball-jointed necks, which is inexcusable in my books

Same here. I was impressed that they managed that with Brainstorm by using the lil guy's own neck joint (even if they had to do a running change fix for it, my one's the later release so phew). Losing that joint seems like a step backwards.

I think that they still have the ball jointed necks it's just some of the helmets restrict that movement.If I recall correctly Blaster still has a full range of movement in his head. Also, does it bother anyone else that his eyes are blue instead of red?

Railbomb wrote:

Carnivius_Prime wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:They only do it, so that the bot modes all have proportionate heads across all class ranges while using a universal headmaster figure. I dislike simply because it seems to be the end of ball-jointed necks, which is inexcusable in my books

Same here. I was impressed that they managed that with Brainstorm by using the lil guy's own neck joint (even if they had to do a running change fix for it, my one's the later release so phew). Losing that joint seems like a step backwards.

I think that they still have the ball jointed necks it's just some of the helmets restrict that movement.If I recall correctly Blaster still has a full range of movement in his head. Also, does it bother anyone else that his eyes are blue instead of red?

He has a head swivel, but as the helmet swings up froim behind on a hinge, he definitely won't be able to look up; and no, I give a d@mn about his eye color

Railbomb wrote:Also, does it bother anyone else that his eyes are blue instead of red?

Kinda. I always did like the red eyes of the PM Prime toy. Made a nice contrast and focal point amongst the already very blue helmet

this guy has me really excited. wonder if a mp is in the offing at all...

i really enjoyed combiner wars magnus and when speculation started about this guy I could see the potential and I reckon they delivered pretty well. I can live with the hollowness if it means they save money and can bring us more toys this size. My only pet peeve are the black guns. G1 PMOP or p-MOP had 2 kick ass rifles...

guess 3rd party accessory makers will be jumping up bring something to the market

Well, that Optimus does look interesting. Still not overly happy about it being a remold, but given how extensive it is, it can possibly be excused

Magnus was a great figure despite his hollowness, but Prime looks even better. He's so getting pre-ordered.

wooo... another Optimus... and it has a base mode...

/intentional lower case for emphasis.

william-james88 wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:I really hope this figure has the Powermaster component and the cab can transform. I hate when updates to figures take out the gimmicks that made them great.

So not a fan of Generations Thunderwing right?

I dont know, I think my Universe Onslaught is really awesome even though he isnt meant to combine with anyone.

What really bothered me about Thunderwing was the limited arm movement due to the shoulder lasers. Universe Onslaught didn't bother me much since at that time I figured we would NEVER see G1 style combiners.

I'm really disappointed with Prime. I broke the legs off my G1 Prime trying to get it into the back of box pose, so I didn't have an Optimus for a looong time so Powermaster Prime was my Prime. It wouldn't be as big an issue, if it wasn't for the fact that we haven't gotten a PM Prime, let alone a Leader Prime in the Generations line. Same thing with Blaster, if we had a decent G1 update already I wouldn't mind the Headmaster gimmick, and I LOVE Headmasters. FYI the chest piece isn't as retooled as you'd think, looking at UM there are some details that have been painted in. I'm taking a stand and NOT calling this figure Powermaster Prime, who's with me! They couldn't even tool some new guns? By the by, any reason the PM Prime pics aren't in this thread?

I wonder how the helmet flips out of the truck cab? It uses Ums' swivel assembly for the cab, so, not out the back of the cab, there are no hinges on the front or sides of the cab, so the pilot gimmick has been removed too, so there must be a lot of trickery goin' on with the cab roof

chuckdawg1999 wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

chuckdawg1999 wrote:I really hope this figure has the Powermaster component and the cab can transform. I hate when updates to figures take out the gimmicks that made them great.

So not a fan of Generations Thunderwing right?

I dont know, I think my Universe Onslaught is really awesome even though he isnt meant to combine with anyone.

What really bothered me about Thunderwing was the limited arm movement due to the shoulder lasers. Universe Onslaught didn't bother me much since at that time I figured we would NEVER see G1 style combiners.

I'm really disappointed with Prime. I broke the legs off my G1 Prime trying to get it into the back of box pose, so I didn't have an Optimus for a looong time so Powermaster Prime was my Prime. It wouldn't be as big an issue, if it wasn't for the fact that we haven't gotten a PM Prime, let alone a Leader Prime in the Generations line. Same thing with Blaster, if we had a decent G1 update already I wouldn't mind the Headmaster gimmick, and I LOVE Headmasters. FYI the chest piece isn't as retooled as you'd think, looking at UM there are some details that have been painted in. I'm taking a stand and NOT calling this figure Powermaster Prime, who's with me! They couldn't even tool some new guns? By the by, any reason the PM Prime pics aren't in this thread?

Well if you don't like headmasters on blaster, don't swap the heads. It still looks like blaster, quite painstakingly so, so I'm not sure what the problem is; if it the idea that they crammed in a gimmick, you should probably get over it, they've been doing that since armada and I don't see people complaining that G1 did the same thing 25+ years ago

And they did tool new guns, they're on his shoulders, besides, what's wrong with the beefy guns he has now, no one complained that cw did that for a year and a half

And the pics are just several pages back...

There is so much of that trailer folding up under the arms and around the legs. That is pretty good integration of the extra trailer parts