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Stuartmaximus wrote:of course they open, they're just the same as Metroplex's legs

mind you....in saying that....i'm now wondering if you can now kinda pull off a sort of G1 city mode with him maybe by leaving part of that leg section open


btw i was mucking about with Metroplex....trying to sort of get the legs to form towers(Fortress Maximus style) & i came across something else interesting....

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now doesn't that sort of look like Scorponok

so maybe the Metroplex mold will once again be reused for Scorponok! it's just a thought

Hmm interesting. I'd probably just get Fort Max though.

ZeroWolf wrote:Oh I know but they at least try to get the overall look, they may keep the torso but I think it will be new legs.

Maybe the legs will split, and parts of them will become the tail, and the other halves of the legs would become the sides on the scorpion mode?

ZeroWolf wrote:While it's a credible theory there's some problems. First is that scorponok's tail wasn't formed from his legs, as it just folded away in bot mode.

your right, the original wasn't, but this one's does(well....feet) YES! i know, it's a PE fig & not a Hasbro one, but it proves that engineering allows for legs(or in this case....feet) to form a tail(even though it doesn't look much like a tail)




but i can still see.....like you said....the main body of Metroplex being used....albeit with heavy retool...for Scorponok

Stuartmaximus wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:While it's a credible theory there's some problems. First is that scorponok's tail wasn't formed from his legs, as it just folded away in bot mode.

your right, the original wasn't, but this one's does(well....feet)

Third party stuff never counts.

If Scorponok is made from Metroplex/Fort max I'll scream.

But not as much as if Trypticon is.

Honestly, the optimum situation if Scorpy is a retool is that he's made from Trypticon, somehow.

Just to put things in perspective. This is what Titans Return is calling a base mode for Fort Max:





When an actual city should look like this:





I find it kind of crazy how the G1 version actually has this new one beat in terms of transformation and playability. It's the only toy in titans return I can say that about since the rest have either improved transformations, extra playability or both.

G1 fort max also didn't have to do anything. The new one could look like that too if they gave up pretty much all articulation.

steals_your_goats wrote:G1 fort max also didn't have to do anything. The new one could look like that too if they gave up pretty much all articulation.

If it has so much articulation then why cant it even pull the same pose as G1. G1 can imitate this Titans Return alt mode but the new version can't imitate G1. Seems like the G1 can do a bit more

william-james88 wrote:

steals_your_goats wrote:G1 fort max also didn't have to do anything. The new one could look like that too if they gave up pretty much all articulation.

If it has so much articulation then why cant it even pull the same pose as G1. G1 can imitate this Titans Return alt mode but the new version can't imitate G1. Seems like the G1 can do a bit more

Who says it can't? Unless I'm mistaken no one has it in hand yet so we don't know what the mold can and can't do. And you can't use Metroplex as a defining factor since the hips are different and you can't pull off the same poses.

As far as anybody can tell, the only articulation the G1 has that the TR one doesn't is the sideways knees. Let's be rational here.

That Bot wrote:As far as anybody can tell, the only articulation the G1 has that the TR one doesn't is the sideways knees. Let's be rational here.

...as rational as Seibertronians can get at least.

Sideways knees are what allow the legs of G1 Fort Max to form the City Mode towers that TR Fort Max's City Mode seems to lack.

Sabrblade wrote:Sideways knees are what allow the legs of G1 Fort Max to form the City Mode towers that TR Fort Max's City Mode seems to lack.

Who knows. People fan-moded CW Ultra M into a base mode. Anything's possible.

Sabrblade wrote:Sideways knees are what allow the legs of G1 Fort Max to form the City Mode towers that TR Fort Max's City Mode seems to lack.

I recognize that, but to say that this makes the G1 mold somehow more articulated is a flat-out lie.

That Bot wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Sideways knees are what allow the legs of G1 Fort Max to form the City Mode towers that TR Fort Max's City Mode seems to lack.

I recognize that, but to say that this makes the G1 mold somehow more articulated is a flat-out lie.

I agree. The G1 didn't have individually articulated fingers did it?

That Bot wrote:As far as anybody can tell, the only articulation the G1 has that the TR one doesn't is the sideways knees. Let's be rational here.

And thats the one you need for the city/fortress mode

That Bot wrote:

Sabrblade wrote:Sideways knees are what allow the legs of G1 Fort Max to form the City Mode towers that TR Fort Max's City Mode seems to lack.

I recognize that, but to say that this makes the G1 mold somehow more articulated is a flat-out lie.

When did I or anyone say that the G1 had more articulation? I just meant to say that for a toy that has so much more articulation, its too bad that the TR version is lacking the articulation necessary to recreate the G1 mode. So saying that "G1 fort max also didn't have to do anything" is just as wrong.

TR Fort Max has more articulation than the G1 toy, but it doesnt have all the articulation of the G1 toy and far less of play value. Which is actually different from the other Titan Class toys which were all improved versions of their G1 toys with as much play value.

I just really want my Fort Max. I wish they had stuck with the treads on the back like that image from way back, but this will still be good

Fort max's lack of the ability to form even a vague approximation of the original city mode is partly down to the lack of the extra swivel you'd need in the knee to allow the knees to fold more - the same lack is detrimental lack in Metroplex's repair bay placement in his City mode too - so I hope a 3rd party makes both some new knees you don't even need to replace the whole part just a section of it is likely to work when attached to the existing remaining half part. all that is needed is the ability to rotate at the point they connect to the lower leg (where they currently just slide sideways).

The sad thing is that no additional pieces would have even been needed if they'd simply made the slider circular instead of square.

Another option might be to have a small extender that covers that square slider over gives him a tiny bit more height and adds the rotation that way.

I still think it's a shame that the legs didn't compact a bit more for a more refined rear section to the transport mode for Metroplex too.

Both toys have a pleasing robot mode but both toys also lack a lot of functionality in terms of play with Legion or Legends class toys compared to what they could have had - the original both still have the new toys beat in that regard (as does G1 Scorponok & G1 Trypticon too)

D-Maximus_Primal wrote:I just really want my Fort Max. I wish they had stuck with the treads on the back like that image from way back, but this will still be good

y'mean the Warden look

Stuartmaximus wrote:

D-Maximus_Primal wrote:I just really want my Fort Max. I wish they had stuck with the treads on the back like that image from way back, but this will still be good

y'mean the Warden look

Actually I think he means the idw look, you know the one warden is based on or did you think warden was its own take on fort max?

Stuartmaximus wrote:

D-Maximus_Primal wrote:I just really want my Fort Max. I wish they had stuck with the treads on the back like that image from way back, but this will still be good

y'mean the Warden look

Yeah the Warden look, the IDW Fort Max look. Despite the fact he will be a titan, he shall go with my Lost Lighters (gotta figure out some display issues with that though)

william-james88 wrote:Just to put things in perspective. This is what Titans Return is calling a base mode for Fort Max:

I'm...pretty sure it looks like you can just swing the hips down to the robot mode configuration, then swing the knees backwards 90 degrees to give the proper tower look, can't you? I know Metroplex has chunky knees, but can anyone check if the knees bend backwards?

RAcast wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Just to put things in perspective. This is what Titans Return is calling a base mode for Fort Max:

I'm...pretty sure it looks like you can just swing the hips down to the robot mode configuration, then swing the knees backwards 90 degrees to give the proper tower look, can't you? I know Metroplex has chunky knees, but can anyone check if the knees bend backwards?

They checked, it doesnt work.

william-james88 wrote:

RAcast wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Just to put things in perspective. This is what Titans Return is calling a base mode for Fort Max:

I'm...pretty sure it looks like you can just swing the hips down to the robot mode configuration, then swing the knees backwards 90 degrees to give the proper tower look, can't you? I know Metroplex has chunky knees, but can anyone check if the knees bend backwards?

They checked, it doesnt work.

Plus, didn't G1 FM have chambers for the upper legs to fold into? I don't see them on Gen. Metroplex, so I'm pretty sure TR FM doesn't have them either.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

RAcast wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Just to put things in perspective. This is what Titans Return is calling a base mode for Fort Max:

I'm...pretty sure it looks like you can just swing the hips down to the robot mode configuration, then swing the knees backwards 90 degrees to give the proper tower look, can't you? I know Metroplex has chunky knees, but can anyone check if the knees bend backwards?

They checked, it doesnt work.

Plus, didn't G1 FM have chambers for the upper legs to fold into? I don't see them on Gen. Metroplex, so I'm pretty sure TR FM doesn't have them either.

I would call them more "gaps", but yeah, you can see them. Whats impressive is that while you may think that makes his leg hollow, he actually ends up having actual chambers on the outside like a prison and a hideaway atop some stairs:


Transformers G1 1987 Fortress Maximus Gallery

But to me what makes Hasbro super cheap wth this release is how they couldnt bother to have ramps. Its not hard, look at the G1 toys, just fold them up. But no, lets have the cars just fall off when they reach the ledge of his arms and keep his hands visible.

william-james88 wrote:

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

william-james88 wrote:

RAcast wrote:

william-james88 wrote:Just to put things in perspective. This is what Titans Return is calling a base mode for Fort Max:

I'm...pretty sure it looks like you can just swing the hips down to the robot mode configuration, then swing the knees backwards 90 degrees to give the proper tower look, can't you? I know Metroplex has chunky knees, but can anyone check if the knees bend backwards?

They checked, it doesnt work.

Plus, didn't G1 FM have chambers for the upper legs to fold into? I don't see them on Gen. Metroplex, so I'm pretty sure TR FM doesn't have them either.

I would call them more "gaps", but yeah, you can see them. Whats impressive is that while you may think that makes his leg hollow, he actually ends up having actual chambers on the outside like a prison and a hideaway atop some stairs:


Transformers G1 1987 Fortress Maximus Gallery

But to me what makes Hasbro super cheap wth this release is how they couldnt bother to have ramps. Its not hard, look at the G1 toys, just fold them up. But no, lets have the cars just fall off when they reach the ledge of his arms and keep his hands visible.

I would say I hope the Takara one fixes it, but then I'd be too tempted to buy it. I can't spend 230 dollars on everything. I am kinda tempted to just get the old one, but then I wouldn't be very hip would I?

Edit: Now that I look at the new one, it looks like, rather than trying to make ramps like the old one, they were trying to make runways.