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Re: Transformers Titans Return Product Reveals, News, Updates, Rumors, Leaks and more!

Postby King Kuuga » Wed Sep 21, 2016 1:40 am

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Stuartmaximus wrote:
Kurona wrote:
Stuartmaximus wrote:Meh! they're just heavy retools or repaints of existing molds

Triggerhappy......heavy retool of either Highbrow or Brainstorm

Breakaway.....obviously just a repaint of Chromedome(albeit probably with a new TM head! if it's not just the same one)

Sinnertwin......looks like a heavy retool of a Deluxe CW figure? hmmm...prob either Alpha Bravo or one of the other Arielbots or something :-?

Hot Rod......again! looks like a heavy retool of a CW figure.....my guess.....someone like the Ironhide/Trailbreaker mold

I honestly can't tell if you're joking or not, but only Breakaway is derived from any previous mold. The others are completely new.



Nah...c'mon! are you trying to tell me that Triggerhappy doesn't look like he's been retooled from Highbrow? or even Brainstorm?


There are some superficial resemblances between Triggerhappy and Highbrow and Brainstorm, but they end there.

Stuartmaximus wrote:with Twinferno.....you can tell by the molding of the torso it certainly looks like it's been retooled from someone like Alpha Bravo

Twinferno is clearly an entirely original mold. None of the aerialbots transform like that.

with Hot Rod it's around the arms & legs....deffo looks to me like the retooled arms & legs from the CW Ironhide/Trailbreaker mold.


Hot Rod doesn't resemble the Offroad/Ironhide/Trailbreaker mold at all, I don't know what you're seeing.

Stuartmaximus wrote:i dunno if anyone else noticed that, or maybe i'm going senile :roll:

I'm going to defer to Occam's Razor here: the simplest explanation is often the correct one.
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Postby Stuartmaximus » Wed Sep 21, 2016 1:48 am

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well make sure you don't cut yourself! >:oP
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Postby SW's SilverHammer » Wed Sep 21, 2016 1:53 am

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Kurona wrote:
Stuartmaximus wrote:Agh....forgettit! I'm sure it'll come out eventually that they're retools/repaints! or someone else may see it! + we haven't yet seen what the engineering of them are like(how they transform)

... well, if you aren't joking, then I suppose this means one of two things. Either that you really need to go back to bed and get a lot more sleep, or you must be congratulated for somehow achieving a higher sense of cynicism about Hasbro and mold re-use than Ironhidesh.

Seriously, go back and look at the toys you're comparing them to. They hold nothing in common aside from... I guess a few shapes in places, alt-modes and a bipedal body structure? At which point we might as well say CW Hook is a retool of Cybertron Mudflap.


The titan's return figures seem, so far to have very few tells as to the whether or not their retools of each other. So far going off of the few TR figures out, the most sure fire way of seeing what's a retool and what's not is by looking what hasn't been retooled. Chromedome, Blurr, Brainstorm, and Getaway are all retools/pretools of each other, the few notable similar parts are the central chest assembly, the gun, and the Headmaster. Highbrow and scourge share the same waist assembly and headmaster man that's about it. I think there's a certain point where the pretool is it's own figure; Blurr and chromedome, Scourge and Highbrow being the best example of how separate the pretools are.
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Postby Kurona » Wed Sep 21, 2016 2:01 am

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SW's SilverHammer wrote:
Kurona wrote:
Stuartmaximus wrote:Agh....forgettit! I'm sure it'll come out eventually that they're retools/repaints! or someone else may see it! + we haven't yet seen what the engineering of them are like(how they transform)

... well, if you aren't joking, then I suppose this means one of two things. Either that you really need to go back to bed and get a lot more sleep, or you must be congratulated for somehow achieving a higher sense of cynicism about Hasbro and mold re-use than Ironhidesh.

Seriously, go back and look at the toys you're comparing them to. They hold nothing in common aside from... I guess a few shapes in places, alt-modes and a bipedal body structure? At which point we might as well say CW Hook is a retool of Cybertron Mudflap.


The titan's return figures seem, so far to have very few tells as to the whether or not their retools of each other. So far going off of the few TR figures out, the most sure fire way of seeing what's a retool and what's not is by looking what hasn't been retooled. Chromedome, Blurr, Brainstorm, and Getaway are all retools/pretools of each other, the few notable similar parts are the central chest assembly, the gun, and the Headmaster. Highbrow and scourge share the same waist assembly and headmaster man that's about it. I think there's a certain point where the pretool is it's own figure; Blurr and chromedome, Scourge and Highbrow being the best example of how separate the pretools are.

The Blurr and Chromedome molds are completely separate. They only share certain parts and weapons - as you stated. That's not retooling, that's parts-sharing; a rather new phenomenon that is very far removed from the very nature and concept of retooling.
Scourge and Highbrow, arguably, are simply shared engineering rather than a retool.
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Re: Transformers Titans Return Product Reveals, News, Updates, Rumors, Leaks and more!

Postby SW's SilverHammer » Wed Sep 21, 2016 2:06 am

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Kurona wrote:
SW's SilverHammer wrote:
Kurona wrote:
Stuartmaximus wrote:Agh....forgettit! I'm sure it'll come out eventually that they're retools/repaints! or someone else may see it! + we haven't yet seen what the engineering of them are like(how they transform)

... well, if you aren't joking, then I suppose this means one of two things. Either that you really need to go back to bed and get a lot more sleep, or you must be congratulated for somehow achieving a higher sense of cynicism about Hasbro and mold re-use than Ironhidesh.

Seriously, go back and look at the toys you're comparing them to. They hold nothing in common aside from... I guess a few shapes in places, alt-modes and a bipedal body structure? At which point we might as well say CW Hook is a retool of Cybertron Mudflap.


The titan's return figures seem, so far to have very few tells as to the whether or not their retools of each other. So far going off of the few TR figures out, the most sure fire way of seeing what's a retool and what's not is by looking what hasn't been retooled. Chromedome, Blurr, Brainstorm, and Getaway are all retools/pretools of each other, the few notable similar parts are the central chest assembly, the gun, and the Headmaster. Highbrow and scourge share the same waist assembly and headmaster man that's about it. I think there's a certain point where the pretool is it's own figure; Blurr and chromedome, Scourge and Highbrow being the best example of how separate the pretools are.

The Blurr and Chromedome molds are completely separate. They only share certain parts and weapons - as you stated. That's not retooling, that's parts-sharing; a rather new phenomenon that is very far removed from the very nature and concept of retooling.
Scourge and Highbrow, arguably, are simply shared engineering rather than a retool.


Too be fair those parts are exactly the same, it not like an energon Starscream G2 smokescreen situation.
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Re: Transformers Titans Return Product Reveals, News, Updates, Rumors, Leaks and more!

Postby Kurona » Wed Sep 21, 2016 2:09 am

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SW's SilverHammer wrote:
Kurona wrote:
SW's SilverHammer wrote:
Kurona wrote:
Stuartmaximus wrote:Agh....forgettit! I'm sure it'll come out eventually that they're retools/repaints! or someone else may see it! + we haven't yet seen what the engineering of them are like(how they transform)

... well, if you aren't joking, then I suppose this means one of two things. Either that you really need to go back to bed and get a lot more sleep, or you must be congratulated for somehow achieving a higher sense of cynicism about Hasbro and mold re-use than Ironhidesh.

Seriously, go back and look at the toys you're comparing them to. They hold nothing in common aside from... I guess a few shapes in places, alt-modes and a bipedal body structure? At which point we might as well say CW Hook is a retool of Cybertron Mudflap.


The titan's return figures seem, so far to have very few tells as to the whether or not their retools of each other. So far going off of the few TR figures out, the most sure fire way of seeing what's a retool and what's not is by looking what hasn't been retooled. Chromedome, Blurr, Brainstorm, and Getaway are all retools/pretools of each other, the few notable similar parts are the central chest assembly, the gun, and the Headmaster. Highbrow and scourge share the same waist assembly and headmaster man that's about it. I think there's a certain point where the pretool is it's own figure; Blurr and chromedome, Scourge and Highbrow being the best example of how separate the pretools are.

The Blurr and Chromedome molds are completely separate. They only share certain parts and weapons - as you stated. That's not retooling, that's parts-sharing; a rather new phenomenon that is very far removed from the very nature and concept of retooling.
Scourge and Highbrow, arguably, are simply shared engineering rather than a retool.


Too be fair those parts are exactly the same, it not like an energon Starscream G2 smokescreen situation.

They are the same parts, of course; but again, they're not retools. It's parts-sharing, which also again is a rather new thing for Transformers. We've had a lot of discussions about it on this thread but the bottom line is that they can't be classified as retools just because they have certain parts, weapons and Titan Masters in common.
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Re: Transformers Titans Return Product Reveals, News, Updates, Rumors, Leaks and more!

Postby Stuartmaximus » Wed Sep 21, 2016 2:57 am

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Stuartmaximus wrote:with Twinferno.....you can tell by the molding of the torso it certainly looks like it's been retooled from someone like Alpha Bravo

Twinferno is clearly an entirely original mold. None of the aerialbots transform like that.


but neither does Fort Max! & he's a retoo...erm...parts sharing from Metroplex! & both of those figs don't transform in exactly the same way

speaking of Fort Max! when it was first announced...i didn't see people calling it PARTS SHARING! mostly the word that was used(at the time) was RETOOL but i guess whatever you prefer to call it, they all serve the same function >:oP

King Kuuga wrote:There are some superficial resemblances between Triggerhappy and Highbrow and Brainstorm


I'll take it ;)^ at least it's not a straight up no!
oh & btw...i love that superficial resemblances word ;) i guess it takes the sting out of using a word like retool.


mind you...there seems to be a few superficial resemblances used of late

Blurr/Brainstorm
Sentinel/Astrotrain
Blaster/Soundwave
Crashbash/Clobber
Terri-Bull/Skytread
Chromedome/Breakaway

& no doubt the one's upcoming


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Hm, pass on Twinferno (how does Inferno feel about that name?), he looks very dull for a monster.
Triggerhappy looks decent.
Breakaway not sure.
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Getaway's Powermaster partner in G1 was called Rev... but what makes this name change notable is that Throttle was the name of one of the two Decepticon Powermasters; Darkwind. I'm tempted to say it's a bit like how 'Nightstick' was thrown onto pretty much every single Targetmaster a few years back just because they couldn't go around scrambling for copyrighted names for Targetmaster partners, but this one is especially notable considering Getaway's... recent morally dubious antics.

Daburu is basically Japanese for double. Not sure where the randomly using Japanese words for guys now comes from - especially since Doublecross barely had a few cameos in Headmasters - but I like it!


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Re: Transformers Titans Return Product Reveals, News, Updates, Rumors, Leaks and more!

Postby Kurona » Wed Sep 21, 2016 5:59 am

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Kurona wrote:Also, bit of a note about the names - Blowpipe and Firedrive are obviously the same as G1 (Firedrive just being the oh-no-we-lost-the-copyright version of Firebolt), but Daburu and Throttle are new.

Getaway's Powermaster partner in G1 was called Rev... but what makes this name change notable is that Throttle was the name of one of the two Decepticon Powermasters; Darkwind. I'm tempted to say it's a bit like how 'Nightstick' was thrown onto pretty much every single Targetmaster a few years back just because they couldn't go around scrambling for copyrighted names for Targetmaster partners, but this one is especially notable considering Getaway's... recent morally dubious antics.

Daburu is basically Japanese for double. Not sure where the randomly using Japanese words for guys now comes from - especially since Doublecross barely had a few cameos in Headmasters - but I like it!


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You can probably tell from its sound, but this katakana word is taken from the English word “double.” It differs in that in Japanese, it’s used only as a verb, but its meaning is also derived from the English word. In Japanese, it has the meaning of “to compound” or “to duplicate” and has a negative tone.

Kind of like when you say someone has double billed you for a single item.

Huh, pretty interesting.
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Postby Evil Eye » Wed Sep 21, 2016 6:04 am

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Well personally I though Doublecross was the better name, but Twinferno works too.

But seriously. Daburu? Double in a thick Japanese accent? Is Hasbro even trying anymore? Also, I notice that Doublecross/Twinferno suffers from "AOE Dinobot Bicep Curling Arms Syndrome". That sucks.
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Postby Big Grim » Wed Sep 21, 2016 6:28 am

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Postby Kurona » Wed Sep 21, 2016 6:40 am

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Big Grim wrote:That Triggerhappy is bloody beautiful!

My favourite part is that it looks like his massive vehicle mode cannons can fold over his wrists in place of his hands in robot mode. I do miss him having a targetmaster, but who the hell needs that with this loadout?!
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Postby Noideaforaname » Wed Sep 21, 2016 6:51 am

HEADCANON: One head is Twinferno and the other head is Doublecross

Regardless, he's the very first full-bodied Headmaster that demands my attention. Here's hoping those apparent seams right below the shoulder pads means the dragon heads can rotate around.
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Triggerhappy's looking rather nice, too. Dunno if I quite *need* him, but I'll keep my eye on him, certainly.
His alt really makes me think of FoC Starscream...

Kurona wrote:My favourite part is that it looks like his massive vehicle mode cannons can fold over his wrists in place of his hands in robot mode. I do miss him having a targetmaster, but who the hell needs that with this loadout?!

Oh wow, didn't notice that! If he can do that and fold his arms up against his shoulders like Demolishor, he'll be a definite purchase for me.
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Postby Kurona » Wed Sep 21, 2016 7:11 am

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Postby bluecatcinema » Wed Sep 21, 2016 7:27 am

Gotta admit, "Twinferno" is a really catchy name.
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Postby RAR » Wed Sep 21, 2016 7:29 am

If there is a Speed and Strength Pack coming out sometime in the next few months - does that mean that the might do an Endurance and Fireblast pack too.

Also what do you good people think of the rumour of Hot Rod being remoulded into Cyclonus ?
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Postby steals_your_goats » Wed Sep 21, 2016 7:45 am

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This is the first wave of deluxes that I might just go full Hasbro. They all look really good. Personally I like Doublecross better than his new name, but it's still a good name.

And RAR i could definitely see two more box sets coming out. Combiner wars had 7 box sets of their own so I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility to have at least two more.

As for the retool discussion, obviously all these molds are retools! Just open your eyes people they share so many similarities. I mean you can't tell me that a two headed dragon has NOTHING in common with a racecar. You're all living in denial if you think otherwise. /s
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Oh, good catch! Me likey!
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RAR wrote:Also what do you good people think of the rumour of Hot Rod being remoulded into Cyclonus ?

It's not a rumour, just speculation based on some details on Hot Rod.

I don't think anything of it since we just got a Cyclonus in CW and his head design is flat-out incompatible with the Titan Master gimmick.
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Re: Transformers Titans Return Product Reveals, News, Updates, Rumors, Leaks and more!

Postby Stuartmaximus » Wed Sep 21, 2016 8:15 am

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steals_your_goats wrote:As for the retool discussion, obviously all these molds are retools! Just open your eyes people they share so many similarities. I mean you can't tell me that a two headed dragon has NOTHING in common with a racecar. You're all living in denial if you think otherwise. /s


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Re: Transformers Titans Return Product Reveals, News, Updates, Rumors, Leaks and more!

Postby RAR » Wed Sep 21, 2016 8:20 am

Ok then :

RAR wrote:Also what do you good people think of the SPECULATION of Hot Rod being remoulded into Cyclonus ?



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Anyway down to the Triggerhappy and remoulding debate - it's been pointed out by some that Missfire's details seem to be present on Triggerhappy's mould and indeed some of his Transformation too.

So It seems pretty likely that Triggerhappy is going to share some design elements with a future wave's Missfire. and I guess that may even be true of Slugslinger too.

Anyone seeing any Slugslinger pieces in him ? (aside from the leg Transformation and tail winglets that are also a feature or Missfire.

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Likewise some people have seen design elements of Fangry in Twinferno (Doublecross)

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I'm kind keen to see if Hasbro has it in their minds to turn Mindwipe into something other than an animal such as a space craft for example. I think that would be interesting to see them do that.
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