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rickdraco wrote:

Carnivius_Prime wrote:

fearmylaserface wrote:I'm just happy to get a brainstorm that will actually see wide release, unlike the voyager one. It'll be cool to actually pick up a brainstorm figure in stores with a headmaster gimmick that (hopefully) is fully functional this time around.

I live in the UK which doesn't always even get many of the figures, particularly late wave ones and I picked up Gen Brainstorm at Cambridge branch of Toys R Us a few months back and it was half price too. For me, any figure that appears in that Toys R Us in the past year that isn't RID or CW is surprising as all heck. The headmaster worked absolutely fine (the number on the back of the box confirms it was the later fixed version). I'd actually much prefer more of the original Headmasters in Voyager than shrinking them all to Deluxe. It's whats putting me off Hardhead. I'd much rather have him in Voyager so he can fit in my Voyager group of Autobots that include Springer, Sandstorm, Grimlock and others. Hardhead is probably gonna end up the size of my AoE Deluxe Bee and he really shouldn't. I like my Deluxes to be characters that are meant to be smaller than the norm (with Leader class for the ones the other way)

I'm also a Brit, but unfortunately I do not even have a Toys R Us that is even viable to get to. all my recent generations purchases have either had to be from Ebay or B&M Bargains I was able to get Roadbuster and Rhinox.

I'm in upstate New York, and I never even saw thrilling 30 brainstorm in stores lol. I've never wanted to order one online in case I ended up with the version that didn't have the fixed mechanism. Im just excited to actually find a brainstorm in stores lol, and them being deluxe class doesn't bother me since I organize my figures by toyline. I can see why it bothers people but the aesthetics of the Hardhead figure don't look anything like thrilling 30 brainstorm to me so I'm happy with a new brainstorm

Thank you, seibertron.Com for getting on Instagram, so that I don't have to!

Jeeze oh man, I go to work for a few hours and the whole place erupts while I'm gone! I can't keep holding you guys together

Now to business:

1) It looks like someone is borrowing Cary's idea for the travelling man pictures to post, and I look forward to the Fort Max reveal. I am very excited for him.

2) The Generations version is a great mold that I love and to me is the IDW Brainstorm that I know and love. This will make for a better jet mode, but for me this guy is just a bonus as a Brainstorm lover.

3) I try to be kind and I try to show others respect. When I see someone has made a fair point, I respect that and make note of it. I also read a lot and keep up with stuff so I can intelligently be included in conversation. Blurr and Clocker are similar looking for the same reason, but saying hasbro copied a 3rd party is completely wrong. that only works the other way around for KO's. I do not "Pat on the back" unless there is reason to, and I was trying to talk to you reasonably. That's all.

4) Characters not being original headmasters has grown on me some. Galvatron is still a glaring example as the cartoon and IDW versions hate headmasters with a passion. However, I do really like what they are doing with the concept and they have some very unique ideas (such as Megs/Galvs and Twincast/Blaster). And I have a feeling that we will get the rest of the regular headmasters down the line, or at least the big ones (headmaster juniors is another story, but with them all being Lost Lighters who knows).

5) I cannot wait for the fair this weekend and to see all that they have coming.

That is all. Have a good evening folks!

fearmylaserface wrote:

rickdraco wrote:

Carnivius_Prime wrote:

fearmylaserface wrote:I'm just happy to get a brainstorm that will actually see wide release, unlike the voyager one. It'll be cool to actually pick up a brainstorm figure in stores with a headmaster gimmick that (hopefully) is fully functional this time around.

I live in the UK which doesn't always even get many of the figures, particularly late wave ones and I picked up Gen Brainstorm at Cambridge branch of Toys R Us a few months back and it was half price too. For me, any figure that appears in that Toys R Us in the past year that isn't RID or CW is surprising as all heck. The headmaster worked absolutely fine (the number on the back of the box confirms it was the later fixed version). I'd actually much prefer more of the original Headmasters in Voyager than shrinking them all to Deluxe. It's whats putting me off Hardhead. I'd much rather have him in Voyager so he can fit in my Voyager group of Autobots that include Springer, Sandstorm, Grimlock and others. Hardhead is probably gonna end up the size of my AoE Deluxe Bee and he really shouldn't. I like my Deluxes to be characters that are meant to be smaller than the norm (with Leader class for the ones the other way)

I'm also a Brit, but unfortunately I do not even have a Toys R Us that is even viable to get to. all my recent generations purchases have either had to be from Ebay or B&M Bargains I was able to get Roadbuster and Rhinox.

I'm in upstate New York, and I never even saw thrilling 30 brainstorm in stores lol. I've never wanted to order one online in case I ended up with the version that didn't have the fixed mechanism. Im just excited to actually find a brainstorm in stores lol, and them being deluxe class doesn't bother me since I organize my figures by toyline. I can see why it bothers people but the aesthetics of the Hardhead figure don't look anything like thrilling 30 brainstorm to me so I'm happy with a new brainstorm

I'm glad for you, but to be fair, only some of the early ones had massive issue's, only thing you might've needed to do, was trim some plastic, or clear out some flashing.

william-james88 wrote:

Prowl4 wrote:
Grimlock still remained a beast to robot. The gathering is a tie in to sell toys and extend the story of beast wars but the essential thing is grimlock remained a carnivorous dinosaur to robot. Not a headmaster. That's actually a massive change.

I think the Transformers Brand has made it awfully clear that the only true G1 toys you would be getting are the actual Hasbro G1 toys. If you want moderized G1 and nothing but, then Takara has the Masterpiece line. Outside of G1 and Masterpiece, there are no rules. Where were you guys when Rodimus became a micromaster? Or when Optimus became a triple changer dragon? Or when Blurr was just a retool of Drift as a normal earth car? Thats as much a huge change sicne tha character was always about his fast sleek futuristic altmode. Like making G1 Megatron into a tank instead of a gun, that's an INSANELY HUGE change.

Did we ever actually get an Optimus Prime that was a White Freightliner cab part of the classics line? No. And we wont. Why arent we going cray over that?! The Generations toy are of the G1 characters, sure but that is a starting point, just inspiration, their point is never to actually give you G1 again, because G1 already exists.

To me, this line is the same as Animated, Prime, or the movie line. It's a new take on G1 characters adn thats what it's always been.

Stuartmaximus wrote:

Matrix_Holder wrote:I've had over clocking In my hand and I've seen the full pic of Titan returns blurr in hand and I tell you With 100% fact that they are not even remotely the same mold. Over clocking is also a voyager/ mp scale while tr blurr is a deluxe. They're completely different molds.

not Blur! it's TR Brainstorm

anyway...i've not to discuss that anymore!(site managers rules)

You complained the whole time that TR Blurr is a rip off of SXS Overclocking and now you say you actually meant TR Brainstorm? Where's the nuclear facepalm-smiley?

ZeroWolf wrote:

Lunatic Prime wrote:I can understand that a bit. I wondered when I first saw TR Optimus Prime and especially when I read that his Headmaster is Apex and not Orion Pax.

Why did you think orion pax? My thought was either hi-q or Ginai (which is a huge stretch admittedly but I like to be optimistic)

Who is Ginai?

But now that you say it, Apex looks like a non-human version of Hi-Q. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Hi-Q

And is Orion Pax not obvious enough as Megatron (Nucleon) being Galvatron's Headmaster?

Sabrblade wrote:

Lunatic Prime wrote:Who is Ginai?

He meant Ginrai.

Lunatic Prime wrote:And is Orion Pax not obvious enough as Megatron (Nucleon) being Galvatron's Headmaster?

Considering that the figure is based on Powermaster Optimus Prime, in a line where all the little partner figures of the 1987 Headmaster characters are meant to be the very same little partners of those 1987 Headmasters, who else would Powermaster Optimus Prime's little partner be than Hi-Q (even if that name isn't being used) himself?

I think I have to catch up with G1 now. I'm born in the late 80's, so sorry folks.

Lunatic Prime wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

Lunatic Prime wrote:I can understand that a bit. I wondered when I first saw TR Optimus Prime and especially when I read that his Headmaster is Apex and not Orion Pax.

Why did you think orion pax? My thought was either hi-q or Ginai (which is a huge stretch admittedly but I like to be optimistic)

Who is Ginai?

But now that you say it, Apex looks like a non-human version of Hi-Q. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Hi-Q

And is Orion Pax not obvious enough as Megatron (Nucleon) being Galvatron's Headmaster?

Ah I see your line of thinking now

Prowl4@ you are entitled to your opinion but not expect others to agree with it or that yours is the only one that's right. Hasbro may base designs off the comics and idw but that's as far as they go, we may not understand their thinking but Hasbro has been known to work in mysterious ways.

ZeroWolf wrote:

Lunatic Prime wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

Lunatic Prime wrote:I can understand that a bit. I wondered when I first saw TR Optimus Prime and especially when I read that his Headmaster is Apex and not Orion Pax.

Why did you think orion pax? My thought was either hi-q or Ginai (which is a huge stretch admittedly but I like to be optimistic)

Who is Ginai?

But now that you say it, Apex looks like a non-human version of Hi-Q. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Hi-Q

And is Orion Pax not obvious enough as Megatron (Nucleon) being Galvatron's Headmaster?

Ah I see your line of thinking now

Prowl4@ you are entitled to your opinion but not expect others to agree with it or that yours is the only one that's right. Hasbro may base designs off the comics and idw but that's as far as they go, we may not understand their thinking but Hasbro has been known to work in mysterious ways.

But something's still not clear to me. When Apex/Hi-Q is now OP's Headmaster, who is Optimus then actually in that story/universe? I don't think that he will appear in that form in the comics because it's the same like with CW Cyclonus: How can Cyclonus and Galvatronus be the same character? Yes, Takara answered that with their UW version, but I think it's just a pretext to make a new version/toy of him. I have nothing against that but I can't really imagine a background story for him that fits to G1 or IDW until it's not something like the story about IDW Ultra Magnus and Minimus Ambus.

Lunatic Prime wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

Lunatic Prime wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

Lunatic Prime wrote:I can understand that a bit. I wondered when I first saw TR Optimus Prime and especially when I read that his Headmaster is Apex and not Orion Pax.

Why did you think orion pax? My thought was either hi-q or Ginai (which is a huge stretch admittedly but I like to be optimistic)

Who is Ginai?

But now that you say it, Apex looks like a non-human version of Hi-Q. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Hi-Q

And is Orion Pax not obvious enough as Megatron (Nucleon) being Galvatron's Headmaster?

Ah I see your line of thinking now

Prowl4@ you are entitled to your opinion but not expect others to agree with it or that yours is the only one that's right. Hasbro may base designs off the comics and idw but that's as far as they go, we may not understand their thinking but Hasbro has been known to work in mysterious ways.

But something's still not clear to me. When Apex/Hi-Q is now OP's Headmaster, who is Optimus then actually in that story/universe? I don't think that he will appear in that form in the comics because it's the same like with CW Cyclonus: How can Cyclonus and Galvatronus be the same character? Yes, Takara answered that with their UW version, but I think it's just a pretext to make a new version/toy of him. I have nothing against that but I can't really imagine a background story for him that fits to G1 or IDW until it's not something like the story about IDW Ultra Magnus and Minimus Ambus.

I think this is where the cw show (if it happens) is going to come into play, instead of expecting everything getting shoehorned into the comics

Hellscream9999 wrote:

fearmylaserface wrote:

rickdraco wrote:

Carnivius_Prime wrote:

fearmylaserface wrote:I'm just happy to get a brainstorm that will actually see wide release, unlike the voyager one. It'll be cool to actually pick up a brainstorm figure in stores with a headmaster gimmick that (hopefully) is fully functional this time around.

I live in the UK which doesn't always even get many of the figures, particularly late wave ones and I picked up Gen Brainstorm at Cambridge branch of Toys R Us a few months back and it was half price too. For me, any figure that appears in that Toys R Us in the past year that isn't RID or CW is surprising as all heck. The headmaster worked absolutely fine (the number on the back of the box confirms it was the later fixed version). I'd actually much prefer more of the original Headmasters in Voyager than shrinking them all to Deluxe. It's whats putting me off Hardhead. I'd much rather have him in Voyager so he can fit in my Voyager group of Autobots that include Springer, Sandstorm, Grimlock and others. Hardhead is probably gonna end up the size of my AoE Deluxe Bee and he really shouldn't. I like my Deluxes to be characters that are meant to be smaller than the norm (with Leader class for the ones the other way)

I'm also a Brit, but unfortunately I do not even have a Toys R Us that is even viable to get to. all my recent generations purchases have either had to be from Ebay or B&M Bargains I was able to get Roadbuster and Rhinox.

I'm in upstate New York, and I never even saw thrilling 30 brainstorm in stores lol. I've never wanted to order one online in case I ended up with the version that didn't have the fixed mechanism. Im just excited to actually find a brainstorm in stores lol, and them being deluxe class doesn't bother me since I organize my figures by toyline. I can see why it bothers people but the aesthetics of the Hardhead figure don't look anything like thrilling 30 brainstorm to me so I'm happy with a new brainstorm

I'm glad for you, but to be fair, only some of the early ones had massive issue's, only thing you might've needed to do, was trim some plastic, or clear out some flashing.

Hmm, that's interesting, I had figured it was more widespread considering how much I saw people talking about it. Oh well! If I end up with both of them, I'm sure I'll enjoy them equally and I'll have a brainstorm for both the thrilling 30 and titans return shelves in my collection lol

fearmylaserface wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

fearmylaserface wrote:

fearmylaserface wrote:I'm just happy to get a brainstorm that will actually see wide release, unlike the voyager one. It'll be cool to actually pick up a brainstorm figure in stores with a headmaster gimmick that (hopefully) is fully functional this time around.

I'm in upstate New York, and I never even saw thrilling 30 brainstorm in stores lol. I've never wanted to order one online in case I ended up with the version that didn't have the fixed mechanism. Im just excited to actually find a brainstorm in stores lol, and them being deluxe class doesn't bother me since I organize my figures by toyline. I can see why it bothers people but the aesthetics of the Hardhead figure don't look anything like thrilling 30 brainstorm to me so I'm happy with a new brainstorm

I'm glad for you, but to be fair, only some of the early ones had massive issue's, only thing you might've needed to do, was trim some plastic, or clear out some flashing.

Hmm, that's interesting, I had figured it was more widespread considering how much I saw people talking about it. Oh well! If I end up with both of them, I'm sure I'll enjoy them equally and I'll have a brainstorm for both the thrilling 30 and titans return shelves in my collection lol

I got one of the pre-fix batch, and all I had to do was clear out the slot in the headmaster's head to let it clip into the headmaster clip, I say, if you ever get a chance, go for it

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Lunatic Prime wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

Lunatic Prime wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

Lunatic Prime wrote:I can understand that a bit. I wondered when I first saw TR Optimus Prime and especially when I read that his Headmaster is Apex and not Orion Pax.

Why did you think orion pax? My thought was either hi-q or Ginai (which is a huge stretch admittedly but I like to be optimistic)

Who is Ginai?

But now that you say it, Apex looks like a non-human version of Hi-Q. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Hi-Q

And is Orion Pax not obvious enough as Megatron (Nucleon) being Galvatron's Headmaster?

Ah I see your line of thinking now

Prowl4@ you are entitled to your opinion but not expect others to agree with it or that yours is the only one that's right. Hasbro may base designs off the comics and idw but that's as far as they go, we may not understand their thinking but Hasbro has been known to work in mysterious ways.

But something's still not clear to me. When Apex/Hi-Q is now OP's Headmaster, who is Optimus then actually in that story/universe? I don't think that he will appear in that form in the comics because it's the same like with CW Cyclonus: How can Cyclonus and Galvatronus be the same character? Yes, Takara answered that with their UW version, but I think it's just a pretext to make a new version/toy of him. I have nothing against that but I can't really imagine a background story for him that fits to G1 or IDW until it's not something like the story about IDW Ultra Magnus and Minimus Ambus.

I think this is where the cw show (if it happens) is going to come into play, instead of expecting everything getting shoehorned into the comics

I can see a second cartoon coming out about titan returns but I'm not sure about if IDW will cover it but I can see designs changed to match the toys, but them not being titan masters.

I can also see a plot where titan masters come from underground being led by a reborn sentinel prime but that's about it. Not that it's a bad thing. IDW have a lot on their hands with the current story arcs.

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Lunatic Prime wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

Lunatic Prime wrote:

ZeroWolf wrote:

Lunatic Prime wrote:I can understand that a bit. I wondered when I first saw TR Optimus Prime and especially when I read that his Headmaster is Apex and not Orion Pax.

Why did you think orion pax? My thought was either hi-q or Ginai (which is a huge stretch admittedly but I like to be optimistic)

Who is Ginai?

But now that you say it, Apex looks like a non-human version of Hi-Q. http://tfwiki.net/wiki/Hi-Q

And is Orion Pax not obvious enough as Megatron (Nucleon) being Galvatron's Headmaster?

Ah I see your line of thinking now

Prowl4@ you are entitled to your opinion but not expect others to agree with it or that yours is the only one that's right. Hasbro may base designs off the comics and idw but that's as far as they go, we may not understand their thinking but Hasbro has been known to work in mysterious ways.

But something's still not clear to me. When Apex/Hi-Q is now OP's Headmaster, who is Optimus then actually in that story/universe? I don't think that he will appear in that form in the comics because it's the same like with CW Cyclonus: How can Cyclonus and Galvatronus be the same character? Yes, Takara answered that with their UW version, but I think it's just a pretext to make a new version/toy of him. I have nothing against that but I can't really imagine a background story for him that fits to G1 or IDW until it's not something like the story about IDW Ultra Magnus and Minimus Ambus.

I think this is where the cw show (if it happens) is going to come into play, instead of expecting everything getting shoehorned into the comics

You heared sth. about a CW show?

Lunatic Prime wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Lunatic Prime wrote:But something's still not clear to me. When Apex/Hi-Q is now OP's Headmaster, who is Optimus then actually in that story/universe? I don't think that he will appear in that form in the comics because it's the same like with CW Cyclonus: How can Cyclonus and Galvatronus be the same character? Yes, Takara answered that with their UW version, but I think it's just a pretext to make a new version/toy of him. I have nothing against that but I can't really imagine a background story for him that fits to G1 or IDW until it's not something like the story about IDW Ultra Magnus and Minimus Ambus.

I think this is where the cw show (if it happens) is going to come into play, instead of expecting everything getting shoehorned into the comics

You heared sth. about a CW show?

I heared what?

http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/machinima-transformers-combiner-wars-animated-series-possible-writers-revealed/33920/

http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/nycc-2015-machinima-transformers-combiner-wars-details/34047/

http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/machinima-transformers-combiner-wars-final-script-complete/34656/

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Lunatic Prime wrote:

Hellscream9999 wrote:

Lunatic Prime wrote:But something's still not clear to me. When Apex/Hi-Q is now OP's Headmaster, who is Optimus then actually in that story/universe? I don't think that he will appear in that form in the comics because it's the same like with CW Cyclonus: How can Cyclonus and Galvatronus be the same character? Yes, Takara answered that with their UW version, but I think it's just a pretext to make a new version/toy of him. I have nothing against that but I can't really imagine a background story for him that fits to G1 or IDW until it's not something like the story about IDW Ultra Magnus and Minimus Ambus.

I think this is where the cw show (if it happens) is going to come into play, instead of expecting everything getting shoehorned into the comics

You heared sth. about a CW show?

I heared what?

http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/machinima-transformers-combiner-wars-animated-series-possible-writers-revealed/33920/

http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/nycc-2015-machinima-transformers-combiner-wars-details/34047/

http://www.seibertron.com/transformers/news/machinima-transformers-combiner-wars-final-script-complete/34656/

Totally forgot that

Prowl4 wrote:Leader megatron is heavily influenced between g1 and idw so that only strengthens my argument.

This is technically incorrect. Megatron as a tank first happened in G2, and again in Classics. It also happened in the movies, except he became an alien tank. Did I mention Armada? It isn't black-and-white between G1 and IDW. The only real references to G1 are the head and color. For IDW, it's his bio and the Autobot stickers he came with. Hell, he even has a BW-style Spark Chamber.

So, I'd say your argument just got a lot worse.

Prowl4 wrote:NOWHERE in the comics or previous media have galvatron, sentinel prime, blurr, scourge or astrotrain been headmasters.

So? Before BW, Megatron had never been a dinosaur.
Before Prime, Soundwave had never been a drone plane.
Before G2, Megs had never been a tank.
Before late-G1, Prime had never been a Powermaster.

And every one of these incarnations was excellent in a unique way in that they were special. They were new, and explored new ideas and territories for the character. They tested the fandom's loyalty to the characters themselves, not how they looked.

Seriously, learn to accept change and variety. They're called TRANSFORMERS for a reason.

Prowl4 wrote:I'd understand if there's many different versions of the characters to spawn variety but each character in this titan returns line hasn't really got much spotlight and therefore should not be a headmaster in a first or second outing.

Also not true.

Galvy and Astrotrain have had a HELL of a lot of spotlight in recent comics. (Literally so with Galvy.) Galvatron was also spotlighted in the original Marvel series and cartoon.

Blurr's had a lot of attention on him too, both recently and not-so-recently.

Powermaster Prime? I shouldn't even have to say it.

Blaster? Had his own story arc (actually, I think he had two) in the Marvel comics along with being a major character in general.

Sentinel Prime? Don't have enough information about him to really contradict his being a Headmaster. It's canon that they exist, in some extent, in the IDWverse.

Soundwave's a HUGE character in the series. Saying he gets no spotlighting is ridiculous.

Scourge's had a lot of attention in IDW recently, as have his Sweeps.

Mindwipe HAS been a little under-the-radar, but he's really just about it. Hardhead, Brainstorm, Alpha Trion, and Skullcruncher have all had named, focused appearances (even if just cameos) in IDW.

Prowl4 wrote:I'd question myself as a fan if I was happy to get a headmaster to characters that haven't gotten much spotlight and such a massive change.

Wow. This is just RUDE. So, basically, if I was happy to get an EXCELLENTLY engineered Headmaster figure of, say, Misfire (one of my favorite characters of all time), even if he was perfectly designed and a character I love, I should still question my devotion to the fandom?

Oy gevalt.

Prowl4 wrote:I'm entitled to my opinion.

I'm not saying you aren't, but at least refine your arguments a bit.
Thanks.

william-james88 wrote:Yesterday, the sneaky monkey known as Zmultiplier on weibo gave us the bottom half of what appeared to be Titans Return Brainstorm. The legs were very similar to Blurr's which had a lot of people wondering how you could turn Blurr, a cybertronian car, into Brainstorm, a cybertronian jet. Well, now this same weibo user has given us a full image, pinch yourselves, of Brainstorm's vehicle mode. Let us know if you think this retool works!

key words Heavy retool! if that's how they play the game then i guess i'm in

CombaticonsCombine? wrote:

Prowl4 wrote:NOWHERE in the comics or previous media have galvatron, sentinel prime, blurr, scourge or astrotrain been headmasters.

So? Before BW, Megatron had never been a dinosaur.

I don't want to nitpick but BW Megatron is not the original Megatron like the original is not Megatronus. They just took the name of their idol.

Lunatic Prime wrote:

CombaticonsCombine? wrote:

Prowl4 wrote:NOWHERE in the comics or previous media have galvatron, sentinel prime, blurr, scourge or astrotrain been headmasters.

So? Before BW, Megatron had never been a dinosaur.

I don't want to nitpick but BW Megatron is not the original Megatron like the original is not Megatronus. They just took the name of their idol.

You raise a good point, but BW Alligator Megs is the original.

So I mean...

Just so we can see exactly how much has been retooled between Blurr and brainstorm

SillySpringer wrote:it is quite possible that Gen Brainstorm's headmaster is compatible with the TR headmaster.

that is a fantastic idea! & one i could easily get behind, if it weren't for two possible things

1)i think the size of the TR Headmasters maybe bigger?

&

2)we don't yet know the mechanics used to connect the Headmasters to their vehicle bodies & if they even operate in the same way that the Generations Brainstorm does

but all in all a great idea



i'm impressed

Teasing us about Titan Class Fortress Maximus, eh Hasbro? I'm more pumped up than a tire with too much air.