The Energon Pub

That Bot wrote:

SpikeyTigertron wrote:Any word and how much paint Hasbro is gonna put on these compared to Takara?

The same amount or maybe a little more but applied differently, as usual. There's more discussion of the Takara versions in the Legends thread, since that's the banner Takara's releasing them under.

Takara's head-unit had a good chunk of paint on him, unless Botcon was just proto-types the heads looked pretty bland in robot mode (albeit they're so tiny it may not matter).

Is it confirmed they're smaller than the old power masters?

ZeroWolf wrote:

SpikeyTigertron wrote:

Been wanting to jump in on this....

For starters... is there ANY conformation of whether Fort Max's legs split like Metroplex's (repair bays?)

Also all these base modes have me really wanting micro-masters to return. Kind of kicking myself for not getting all the old movie-verse... what were they... minicons.... legends???? I kinda wish they would do a re-release of some of those rebranded as micromasters.

As for to ZOMG they're head/titan masters now... meh... it's a play feature use, don't use it.

As for Astrotrain, does anyone else get the feeling there is gonna be an Omega Supreme (Energon) repaint with a yellow Ark (autobot shuttle) I'd be down for that.

Also wondering if we'll get an Obsidian from Highbrow

Not sure on the energon omega supreme redeco for Sentinel/AstroTrain. The colour scheme that os had in energon is really iconic for its split style (and as a fan of the Brave anime franchise, it's symmetrical docking transformation) but it's not one that would work in the shuttle mode as the legs would have to be the same colour to pull off the ark homage, which in turn would invalidate the energon homage as os legs were completely different colours.

Animated Omega Supreme on the other hand...that could work. Only problem being that he's not in the right style.

Not to worry though 2018 will give us a proper sized Omega Supreme *


*- this is what I believe based off titan class release patterns and the recent fan poll.

Pfft, surely you mean Titan class Scorponok!

Scorpoknok is 2019 it keeps the alternate fraction release schedule going

Burn wrote:

D-Maximus_Primal wrote:I just can't wait to swap heads!

*insert joke here*

You legit just cracked me up with that one. Good job sir.

But seriously though, imagine the possibilities!!

Carnivius_Prime wrote:Heh, I'm the opposite. I don't care for MP, I find RID aesthetically cheap-looking and awful

Your missing out on some great innovative designs and Transformations. Check out Fracture when you have a chance, or Drift. Without joking, the better transformations are happening in the RID line than the CW line, although I know you dont care much for CW either so that might not be high praise.

Kurona wrote:

Noideaforaname wrote:I wouldn't call big ol' block heads with limbs hanging out of the back "easy to ignore".

Really?

You beat me to it Kurona! When I saw the initial post, I just though "well Takara is making this really easy to ignore for those that want to".

StarFireMk4 wrote:
He was named in the UK comics, and made an appearance there (a bit of a dying one..), but otherwise you're right.

Also, yay, first post away from TFW! (a bit off topic so I apologize)

Welcome to the conversation! I hope you have a good time here on Seibertron!

ZeroWolf wrote:I see we're back to this argument again. Changing characters into headmasters is only a big deal if you let it be one. For me, it's no bother folding these into my head canon. If you didn't like the look of them on basis of decos etc; then that's fair enough but to argue something as silly as this, it seems pointless.

Wolfman Jake wrote:I too was not keen on the traditionally "non-Headmaster" characters from G1 getting this new "Titammaster" gimmick for this line. I was going to pass on all such updateds, especially since we already have Classics versions of them, but DAMNIT, they look so GOOD (especially the Takara versions in most cases). That alone has softened me on the "Headmaster problem," but it made me realize that the whole issues really is just in the head, so to speak.

Awesome stuff follows, just go read the whole post

Great points from the wolf pack. And yeah, I dont get the fuss either. Since when do people expect perfect G1 renditions of these characters in the Generations Classics line? We never even got an actual Voyager Optimus Prime that looks exactly like his G1 self, so why would Blurr get something like that? He's already closer than ever compared to the previous one we got who's alt mode looked nothing like him (did anyone make a fuss then?). We already have a whole line dedicated to giving perfect interpretations of G1 toys, no need for 2. Especially when the generations line is sold to kids who just want to have fun. The classics was always about new takes on characters and concepts, no reason to change that now.

SpikeyTigertron wrote:
For starters... is there ANY conformation of whether Fort Max's legs split like Metroplex's (repair bays?)

Yes, there is, check out this pic:

ZeroWolf wrote:Scorpoknok is 2019 it keeps the alternate fraction release schedule going

It also lines up with the distribution of votes. When I tallied up the facebook votes for the titans, Trypticon got 54% of the vote, Omega got 24%, and Scorponok got 22%.

SpikeyTigertron wrote:

That Bot wrote:

SpikeyTigertron wrote:Any word and how much paint Hasbro is gonna put on these compared to Takara?

The same amount or maybe a little more but applied differently, as usual. There's more discussion of the Takara versions in the Legends thread, since that's the banner Takara's releasing them under.

Takara's head-unit had a good chunk of paint on him, unless Botcon was just proto-types the heads looked pretty bland in robot mode (albeit they're so tiny it may not matter).

Is it confirmed they're smaller than the old power masters?

I saw the Titan Masters in person at BotCon. I can confirm that they are definitely smaller than the old Powermasters.

What's with some people and writing entirely in pink and blue. It's hurting my eyes!

I adore pink and I agree

SillySpringer wrote:What's with some people and writing entirely in pink and blue. It's hurting my eyes!

Agree much.

SillySpringer wrote:What's with some people and writing entirely in pink and blue. It's hurting my eyes!

Step 1 - Open a text editing program (or "App" as you kids like to call them these days)
Step 2 - Copy coloured text (or colored for you yanks)
Step 3 - Paste coloured text into text editing program
Step 4 - Read
Step 5 - Get back on topic. There are no rules against font colours.

If people want to post in fancy colours then they should feel free to not the end of the world

Kurona wrote:

Noideaforaname wrote:I wouldn't call big ol' block heads with limbs hanging out of the back "easy to ignore".

Really?

*snip*


Because bad posing aside these look absolutely fine to me and I wouldn't have known they were Headmasters unless pointed out to me.

Counterpoint:


At best these look "not so bad" (I'll give you Blurr and Sentinel on that), but generally speaking I just don't see myself not seeing these things as Headmasters. Even the 'classic' Headmaster characters a rather wonky, but we forgive that because they've *always* been like that (even if we really only know them from MTMTE, but whatever).


This is "easy to ignore":

This isn't:

Noideaforaname wrote:

Kurona wrote:

Noideaforaname wrote:I wouldn't call big ol' block heads with limbs hanging out of the back "easy to ignore".

Really?

*snip*


Because bad posing aside these look absolutely fine to me and I wouldn't have known they were Headmasters unless pointed out to me.

Counterpoint:
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At best these look "not so bad" (I'll give you Blurr and Sentinel on that), but generally speaking I just don't see myself not seeing these things as Headmasters. Even the 'classic' Headmaster characters a rather wonky, but we forgive that because they've *always* been like that (even if we really only know them from MTMTE, but whatever).

I don't have a counter-argument, but rather a solution.

See this Titanmaster?


It has a screw in its chest. If you unscrew that, you can remove the arms and legs and slim down the head greatly.

Won't the head fall off? Plus that would leave a very thin head in its place.

ZeroWolf wrote:Won't the head fall off? Plus that would leave a very thin head in its place.

You can screw the chest back on.

I think it would still look rather odd. But c'est la vie. If people want to miss out on these fine looking figs (also available in fine looking takara deco) then it's their decision...More toys for the rest of us

ZeroWolf wrote:More toys for the rest of us

That, I don't argue with. Personally, I don't mind the legs and arms behind the face for everyone but Scourge.

Noideaforaname wrote:

Kurona wrote:

Noideaforaname wrote:I wouldn't call big ol' block heads with limbs hanging out of the back "easy to ignore".

Really?

*snip*


Because bad posing aside these look absolutely fine to me and I wouldn't have known they were Headmasters unless pointed out to me.

Counterpoint:

At best these look "not so bad" (I'll give you Blurr and Sentinel on that), but generally speaking I just don't see myself not seeing these things as Headmasters. Even the 'classic' Headmaster characters a rather wonky, but we forgive that because they've *always* been like that (even if we really only know them from MTMTE, but whatever).

Here is my counter:



And here is Takara's interpretation of the headmaster gimmick with Scourge:



By painting the headmaster's legs light blue, you get a nice contrast that defines his face and head better. I believe it was Zerowolf who pointed that out. Its also refernces the light blue found on the side of his head in the G1 cartoon.

So there is a way to make these work (for those who are bothered by it) and Takara has provided us with these options.

william-james88 wrote:

Noideaforaname wrote:

Kurona wrote:

Noideaforaname wrote:I wouldn't call big ol' block heads with limbs hanging out of the back "easy to ignore".

Really?

*snip*


Because bad posing aside these look absolutely fine to me and I wouldn't have known they were Headmasters unless pointed out to me.

Counterpoint:

At best these look "not so bad" (I'll give you Blurr and Sentinel on that), but generally speaking I just don't see myself not seeing these things as Headmasters. Even the 'classic' Headmaster characters a rather wonky, but we forgive that because they've *always* been like that (even if we really only know them from MTMTE, but whatever).

Here is my counter:



And here is Takara's interpretation of the headmaster gimmick with Scourge:



By painting the headmaster's legs light blue, you get a nice contrast that defines his face and head better. I believe it was Zerowolf who pointed that out. Its also refernces the light blue found on the side of his head in the G1 cartoon.

So there is a way to make these work (for those who are bothered by it) and Takara has provided us with these options.

Makes me wonder what Takara are gonna do with Astrotrain; because admittedly due to the dome shape his head is the one most severely hurt by the Headmaster gimmick and the only one that I don't really like the look of because all the Headmaster body junk is shown jutting out above his head.

william-james88 wrote:Here is my counter:



And here is Takara's interpretation of the headmaster gimmick with Scourge:



By painting the headmaster's legs light blue, you get a nice contrast that defines his face and head better. I believe it was Zerowolf who pointed that out. Its also refernces the light blue found on the side of his head in the G1 cartoon.

So there is a way to make these work (for those who are bothered by it) and Takara has provided us with these options.

That was me who pointed that out about Takara's Scourge and the G1 character model for the cartoon. You're getting your wolves mixed up again. You do have a lovely kitchen counter, though!

Kurona wrote:Makes me wonder what Takara are gonna do with Astrotrain; because admittedly due to the dome shape his head is the one most severely hurt by the Headmaster gimmick and the only one that I don't really like the look of because all the Headmaster body junk is shown jutting out above his head.

It is quite possible that Astrotrain will be skipped in favor of Sentinel Prime. It's not uncommon for TakaraTomy to skip retools or reassign them to a different line. Look at this list:

Legends Class
Gears
Windcharger
Huffer
Viper (released as Adventure Dogfight)
Warpath
Rodimus

Deluxe Class
All FoC Wreckers
Dreadwing
Goldfire (technically replaced by a mere redeco)
Crosscut
Jhiaxus
Nightbeat (released as Generations Goshooter)

Voyager Class
Doubledealer (released as Cloud Starscream)

Fortunately, I see him as the only figure nominated for skipping.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Kurona wrote:Makes me wonder what Takara are gonna do with Astrotrain; because admittedly due to the dome shape his head is the one most severely hurt by the Headmaster gimmick and the only one that I don't really like the look of because all the Headmaster body junk is shown jutting out above his head.

It is quite possible that Astrotrain will be skipped in favor of Sentinel Prime. It's not uncommon for TakaraTomy to skip retools or reassign them to a different line. Look at this list:

Legends Class
Gears
Windcharger
Huffer
Viper (released as Adventure Dogfight)
Warpath
Rodimus

Deluxe Class
All FoC Wreckers
Dreadwing
Goldfire (technically replaced by a mere redeco)
Crosscut
Jhiaxus
Nightbeat (released as Generations Goshooter)

Voyager Class
Doubledealer (released as Cloud Starscream)

Fortunately, I see him as the only figure nominated for skipping.

Thing is, since Takara's redecoes seem to be so cartoon-centered I kind of doubt they'd skip over someone so prominent as Astrotrain for Sentinel.

Kurona wrote:Thing is, since Takara's redecoes seem to be so cartoon-centered I kind of doubt they'd skip over someone so prominent as Astrotrain for Sentinel.

In that case, they could skip Sentinel just as easily: their vehicle modes are practically identical. I can see them choosing one for the main line, and release the other as an exclusive.

JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:

Kurona wrote:Thing is, since Takara's redecoes seem to be so cartoon-centered I kind of doubt they'd skip over someone so prominent as Astrotrain for Sentinel.

In that case, they could skip Sentinel just as easily: their vehicle modes are practically identical. I can see them choosing one for the main line, and release the other as an exclusive.

True true; I just hope they do Astrotrain to fix up his head. It won't kill it for me if they don't do him and I have to go for Hasbro's, but it'd always bug me a little I think.