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kurthy wrote:Honestly, I hear lots of good things about this nitro and compared to the way they dropped the ball on a lot of TR voyagers, (cough, cough, galvatron, broadside, etc.) this is an improvement. Although I do want a leader version of thunderwing, too.

How did they drop the ball with those two?

The Galvatron mold in itself is great it only suffers with a crappy crown gimmick, and Broadside is good in robot and boat mode it's just got a crap jet mode.


I can think of worse figures then those two.

Deadput wrote:

kurthy wrote:Honestly, I hear lots of good things about this nitro and compared to the way they dropped the ball on a lot of TR voyagers, (cough, cough, galvatron, broadside, etc.) this is an improvement. Although I do want a leader version of thunderwing, too.

How did they drop the ball with those two?

The Galvatron mold in itself is great it only suffers with a crappy crown gimmick, and Broadside is good in robot and boat mode it's just got a crap jet mode.


I can think of worse figures then those two.

Galvatron should have skipped the horrendous third mode that creates problems with the other two modes. Broadside has a similar problem in that they only attempted a third mode. Both of those, they added one solid piece to make it a jet. Add in that conversion from carrier to robot is spread his legs, flip the back down, and stand him up. Not exactly the complexity I'd prefer in a Voyager.

kurthy wrote:

Deadput wrote:

kurthy wrote:Honestly, I hear lots of good things about this nitro and compared to the way they dropped the ball on a lot of TR voyagers, (cough, cough, galvatron, broadside, etc.) this is an improvement. Although I do want a leader version of thunderwing, too.

How did they drop the ball with those two?

The Galvatron mold in itself is great it only suffers with a crappy crown gimmick, and Broadside is good in robot and boat mode it's just got a crap jet mode.


I can think of worse figures then those two.

Galvatron should have skipped the horrendous third mode that creates problems with the other two modes. Broadside has a similar problem in that they only attempted a third mode. Both of those, they added one solid piece to make it a jet. Add in that conversion from carrier to robot is spread his legs, flip the back down, and stand him up. Not exactly the complexity I'd prefer in a Voyager.

Astrotrain is worse in that aspect: from robot to train, all he does is the splits

kurthy wrote:
Galvatron should have skipped the horrendous third mode that creates problems with the other two modes. Broadside has a similar problem in that they only attempted a third mode. Both of those, they added one solid piece to make it a jet. Add in that conversion from carrier to robot is spread his legs, flip the back down, and stand him up. Not exactly the complexity I'd prefer in a Voyager.

I don't agree with you with Galvatron, first of all I love that third jet mode second of all it doesn't really effect the other two modes besides having a tiny backpack in robot mode.

And if people still complain about backpacks at this point after all these years instead of just accepting that their going to be around...I don't know what to tell you.


Like another user said Astrotrain is worse then those two.

Deadput wrote:

kurthy wrote:
Galvatron should have skipped the horrendous third mode that creates problems with the other two modes. Broadside has a similar problem in that they only attempted a third mode. Both of those, they added one solid piece to make it a jet. Add in that conversion from carrier to robot is spread his legs, flip the back down, and stand him up. Not exactly the complexity I'd prefer in a Voyager.

I don't agree with you with Galvatron, first of all I love that third jet mode second of all it doesn't really effect the other two modes besides having a tiny backpack in robot mode.

And if people still complain about backpacks at this point after all these years instead of just accepting that their going to be around...I don't know what to tell you.


Like another user said Astrotrain is worse then those two.

You actually like that jet mode? Well, to each is his own. I don't like the unnecessary back pack it creates plus it makes the cannon mode ugly, too.

Astrotrain may not be the greatest, but he does have 2 very distinct alt modes that don't get in the way of each other (the Takara paint job goes a long way to helping this). The worst I can say about it is that they can't figure out whether is train is a diesel or electric.

kurthy wrote: The worst I can say about it is that they can't figure out whether is train is a diesel or electric.

Neither. Energon!

kurthy wrote:[
The worst I can say about it is that they can't figure out whether is train is a diesel or electric.

It's an Astrotrain dude it's in the name.

Regarding Astrotrain's third mode, it looks like it's designed more as an outright train than a singular locomotive. Kinda-sorta reminds me of the train on Macbeth in Star Fox 64. Although frankly it looks more like a battleship than anything that runs on rails.

kurthy wrote:

Deadput wrote:

kurthy wrote:
Galvatron should have skipped the horrendous third mode that creates problems with the other two modes. Broadside has a similar problem in that they only attempted a third mode. Both of those, they added one solid piece to make it a jet. Add in that conversion from carrier to robot is spread his legs, flip the back down, and stand him up. Not exactly the complexity I'd prefer in a Voyager.

I don't agree with you with Galvatron, first of all I love that third jet mode second of all it doesn't really effect the other two modes besides having a tiny backpack in robot mode.

And if people still complain about backpacks at this point after all these years instead of just accepting that their going to be around...I don't know what to tell you.


Like another user said Astrotrain is worse then those two.

You actually like that jet mode? Well, to each is his own. I don't like the unnecessary back pack it creates plus it makes the cannon mode ugly, too.

Astrotrain may not be the greatest, but he does have 2 very distinct alt modes that don't get in the way of each other (the Takara paint job goes a long way to helping this). The worst I can say about it is that they can't figure out whether is train is a diesel or electric.

What unnecessary backpack is this you're talking about, Kurthy? The only backpack he has is the backpack his original design always had that forms the rear support of his cannon mode. It was on the original toy, and it's on the animation design (where it's purple in robot mode probably because the animators were going by the color of the gunsight) from the G1 cartoon. It's just actually attached to his back instead of his waist this time.


The jet mode is a replacement for the original toy's third mode, which was a raygun.

Caelus wrote:

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:

Caelus wrote:Are you looking at Wolfwire or Twinferno for Fangry?

Uh, no. Wolfwire has nothing useful to offer because his wolf head is robotic in sculpt and his engineering doesn't really line up with Fangry's. I'm not sure what Twinferno would offer either other than the reptile detailing on the body; can his transformation engineering be adapted to Fangry?.
I specifically asked if anyone could think of a particular wolf toy that was a suitable head donor. Not a Transformer, just a toy wolf.

Fangry is pretty wolfish, so I thought you might be planning to simplify things by swapping out the head and tail of Wolfwire - I don't know how ambitious you are and that would be the easiest approach.

Similarly Twinferno in beast mode looks a lot like Fangry in beast mode, in terms of general build, so I thought you might be going with that.

I asked because in either case the base you use is pertinent to finding a head that will work for the customization.

No, no it really isn't. The base I use - if I even use a base - is not pertinent. What is pertinent is the size of the wolf toy the head comes from, and the angle said wolf's head is at. I guess I should have been more specific:
* The wolf's head needs to be big enough (a size range from TR Sixshot's wolf head to Cybertron Snarl's wolf head)
* The head needs to be pointed straight ahead, and preferably at an elevated position or angled down.

My plan is to build a Fangry/Wilder that transforms as close as possible to the original toy.

If you look at Astrotrain's details, like his windows and ladders, it seems his scale is well beyond any real world train. He reminds me more of the things you see associated with the Empire in Warhammer 40k - aesthetically he's early 20th century, but with a scifi twist and insanely oversized.

Astrotrain is aa full war train. He's massive in train mode!

I love the Voyagers a lot in this line. Megatron was an absolute knockout for me and I was very pleasantly surprised with Laser and Sentinel. I don't have broadside or galvy, but from what I've seen and heard I get the distinct impression that they're fine action figures with but a few faults -- and a bad jet mode which doesn't interfere with their other modes. I honestly feel that between TR and CW the Voyagers have been the best size class, but that's just me.

william-james88 wrote:A question to all those excited by that thunderwing/nitro combo:

What would the feedback be from fans if Hasbro had actually released a TR Thunderwing which had this bay-verse body? I highly highly doubt it would be met with anything positive.

Should I also point out that I've got some set to repaint cogman into nightbeat?

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:
What unnecessary backpack is this you're talking about, Kurthy? The only backpack he has is the backpack his original design always had that forms the rear support of his cannon mode. It was on the original toy, and it's on the animation design (where it's purple in robot mode probably because the animators were going by the color of the gunsight) from the G1 cartoon. It's just actually attached to his back instead of his waist this time.


The jet mode is a replacement for the original toy's third mode, which was a raygun.

So let me get this straight, I just want to make sure I understand correctly. Galvatron must have a backpack just because 30+ years ago his toy had a backpack.



By that logic, all Megatron toys should have a protrusion from the crotch area.

kurthy wrote:So let me get this straight, I just want to make sure I understand correctly. Galvatron must have a backpack just because 30+ years ago his toy had a backpack.

And his cartoon model



So yes. If hasbro is aiming to bring G1 elements into toys and make use of them, a backpack on galvatron would not be out of place in the least. You can still dislike it, but it does indeed have a place there.

To me some characters need a back pack on them otherwise they look scrawny or too much like humans one example that comes to mind is ROTf Long Haul who looks pathetically weak and skeletonish without the pack.

Unless it's done horrible like the AOE leader Prime I like the backpacks and how they remind me that they Transform into vehicles.

I thought people did not like it when the AOE transformers don't have "kibble" (Even though they actually do but that's not the discussion) so why are people against non intrusive back packs?

TLK Megs doesn't have much of a backpack

Deadput wrote:I thought people did not like it when the AOE transformers don't have "kibble" (Even though they actually do but that's not the discussion) so why are people against non intrusive back packs?

Because people are not homogeneous in their aesthetic preferences?

Anybody else irritated we never got that "leaked" Toraizer or the rest of the Autobot Master Warriors?

DestronMirage22 wrote:Anybody else irritated we never got that "leaked" Toraizer or the rest of the Autobot Master Warriors?

I for one am annoyed by this as well.

I love every figure in Tr and I wouldnt want them replaced but I think they should have finished the original Headmasters like Snapdragon.

From a completion perspective it is annoying that we didn't get full-size Horrorcons. But I can see why they didn't do them. Making the dual-function head gimmick play nice with TR's strict size limits would have been annoying (I suppose with Apeface you could kinda cheat with a flip-out gorilla muzzle though). Aside from that, cleaning up their robot modes while preserving the triple-changing and the basic character designs would be a pain in the rear. You want to talk bulky backpacks.. Theirs are pretty severe on the original toys. Apeface is also fairly cluttered beyond that thanks to the two different sets of limbs. They're also not exactly the most popular of characters plus they don't really lend themselves to being mold-mates with anyone except possibly each other.

On a lighter note, has anyone tried arming Cybertron Defense Hot Shot with the weapon mode of Shuffler?

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:From a completion perspective it is annoying that we didn't get full-size Horrorcons. But I can see why they didn't do them. Making the dual-function head gimmick play nice with TR's strict size limits would have been annoying (I suppose with Apeface you could kinda cheat with a flip-out gorilla muzzle though). Aside from that, cleaning up their robot modes while preserving the triple-changing and the basic character designs would be a pain in the rear. You want to talk bulky backpacks.. Theirs are pretty severe on the original toys. Apeface is also fairly cluttered beyond that thanks to the two different sets of limbs.

Exactly.

Even with "normal" triple changers, they had to try twice to get some good result. (look at the mess T30 blitzwing is).
They would be nice to have, but let's face it, several things were working only because the G1 were not poseable bricks.

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:On a lighter note, has anyone tried arming Cybertron Defense Hot Shot with the weapon mode of Shuffler?

Can do this if you want.

william-james88 wrote:A question to all those excited by that thunderwing/nitro combo:

What would the feedback be from fans if Hasbro had actually released a TR Thunderwing which had this bay-verse body? I highly highly doubt it would be met with anything positive.

I too doubt there would be many positive reviews, but that's not really what this is. This is a crossover of 2 very different lines that just so happen to have the necessary connector to make it happen, and it is a combination that really works only because of this fact.

Nitro Zeus is a great toy by itself, and Thunderwing is a great titan master by himself. Now the thing with both Thunderwing and Nitro Zeus is the lack of any vehicle accessory, so they can truly go anywhere. Rodimus is in the guns of my Hot Rod to pair them up, and Thunderwing just owns the Nitro Zeus mold. It's an Easter Egg, a little fun trick to do a G1/TLK crossover sort of thing, a pairing that some would truly appreciate and enjoy. They are great separate and they are just as great combined. they work because of how different yet how unique and somehow pairable they are.

On the triple changers discussion, Broadside is the worst voyager of the line. That jet mode is inexcusable. At least with Tidal Wave, you don't have to worry about the jet stuff. And I think Tidal Wave is the winner of the tooling. He is so much better, hands down. Up there for my favorite voyager of the whole line along with Laser Prime and Alpha Trion. I actually really like Astrotrain, even if the train mode is... unique. I haven't really liked Galvatron at all with how light, hollow, and sort of how crappily he was done. He is so close to being great (I still like both alt modes mostly) but he feels like he needed a little bit more to be a good voyager. He isn't terrible, but he needed some more love to be better

Looks like a lot of fun!

I only have the one Voyager (Sentinel Prime) but I dig him. The spaceship mode is pretty cool and I for one love the train mode. As mentioned, it looks like a giant rail battleship. It definitely works better for Sentinel than Astrotrain though, I still prefer the idea of Astrotrain being a proper old-timey loco.

Just a cool random thing I noticed, when my son was displaying some of our TR figures on his shelf, he transformed Sixshot into wolf mode and put pounce right next to him..they look like they should go together, like a father/Son duo .