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Stargrave wrote:Also what’s the problem with partsforming? I think it’s rad. Weaponizers, Omega Supreme, Galaxy Upgrade Prime, heck Cybertron Prime, anything that ever combined or armored up, partsforming. I don’t get the grrr over partsforming. Always been around, used by many a beloved character, you all know it deep down you feel the love you feel the love for parts and their forming.
Wolfman Jake wrote: Or, on "new" characters like the completely reimagined Cog and Brunt, who never had G1 robot modes to begin with.
Jeddostotle7 wrote:Wolfman Jake wrote: Or, on "new" characters like the completely reimagined Cog and Brunt, who never had G1 robot modes to begin with.
...Huh?
Well, I was talking about partsforming in general. I would also like to add the fact that partsforming does mean that it puts TFs at greater risk of losing bits of themselves, so there's that.Wolfman Jake wrote:Stargrave wrote:Also what’s the problem with partsforming? I think it’s rad. Weaponizers, Omega Supreme, Galaxy Upgrade Prime, heck Cybertron Prime, anything that ever combined or armored up, partsforming. I don’t get the grrr over partsforming. Always been around, used by many a beloved character, you all know it deep down you feel the love you feel the love for parts and their forming.
Partsforming is a bit of an art. It can easily be done very wrong, a la our first impressions of Earthrise Arcee. Earthrise Cliffumper's partsforming is borderline, but won me over in the end for two reasons. 1) He can use the back of his vehicle mode as a credible shield. 2) The removable part still stores neatly on his back for a complete look. Arcee's "hoverboard" looks like the back half of a car, period. Hanging off her back, it'll look even clunkier than Soundbarrier, who is probably one of the worst Transformer toys in this century. Characters who "armor up" are fine for partsforming, because the base robot is still a fully functional transforming toy on its own, and the "armor" bits combine to form an accessory for the vehicle or something else, like a weapon or battle station. Earthrise Arcee isn't being "armored up" by the back half of her alt mode under her feet or hanging off her already kibbled back.
It's also easier to embrace partsforming on legacy characters, like Ultra Magnus, where that was his original schtick in G1. Or, on "new" characters like the completely reimagined Brunt, who never had G1 robot mode to begin with. Arcee is not an established partsformer, and unlike Cliffjumper, her use of partsforming is VERY underwhelming, to put it mildly.
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:Ultimate challenge: Make that feminine looking transformable transformer, who is not a shellformer in any shape or form, a standard deluxe or voyager release. Come on, designers, you can do it!
Would Energon Arcee count? Movie 1 Arcee also has some slight feminine features, Prime Arcee is also there... Ok, let's extend that challenge by excluding motorcycles.
-Kanrabat- wrote:JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:-Kanrabat- wrote:Ultimate challenge: Make that feminine looking transformable transformer, who is not a shellformer in any shape or form, a standard deluxe or voyager release. Come on, designers, you can do it!
Would Energon Arcee count? Movie 1 Arcee also has some slight feminine features, Prime Arcee is also there... Ok, let's extend that challenge by excluding motorcycles.
Why in the nine hells did I forgot about the bike girls?
Energon Arcee is just perfect while Prime Arcee cheat a bit with her gaz tank wings but I can forgive her.
All the rest suffer the syndrome of the action figure hiding under a shell. All Windlades hide under her jet mode and RID Strongarm is a guy with a head-swap.
The real challenge would be to make a car or a truck change into a "hot" fembot without shellformer cheats. Because even the guys are guilty of this. Mostly movie bots but still.
william-james88 wrote:If ever Sabrblade decides to go on vacation, I am glad to know we can rely on you.
Hellscream9999 wrote:rid arcee count?
-Kanrabat- wrote:An updated version of Thunderblast with a shell that could compact better would be really appreciated.
But eh, G1 for now...
Tekka wrote:What she doesn't realize is that Springer actually loves Rodimus.
The thing is, Takara likely didn't do an Encore Grand Max because the Encore Fort Max sat around in vast unsold quantities at online stores for many years. Some places even still have the figure for sale to this day.Rodimus Prime wrote:So do you think that Takara's reluctance to reissue Grand Max back then is still present, despite the potential demand for a properly sized Black Zarak? Besides a new head and deco, how else is Black Zarak different from Scorponok?Sabrblade wrote:Nope, and there's a funny story about that.Rodimus Prime wrote:Didn't Grand Maximus get an Encore figure after Fort Max did?
Back when Takara pulled out the G1 Fortress Maximus mold for its Encore release, they found the Grand Maximus Pretender shell along with the main toy mold, and eHOBBY wanted Fun Pub to do a full blown reissue of Grand Maximus. But, that kind of a toy release wouldn't have been realistically marketable for Fun Pub (even if it might have ended up being cheaper than what the original G1 release went for at the time on the secondary market), but they did, at least, end up using the Pretender shell in the Figure Subscription Service for Double Pretender Megatron.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Wolfman Jake wrote:Jeddostotle7 wrote:Wolfman Jake wrote: Or, on "new" characters like the completely reimagined Cog and Brunt, who never had G1 robot modes to begin with.
...Huh?
Oops! Had my wires crossed on that one. Might have been thinking of Metroplex's Slammer instead.
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Well, I was talking about partsforming in general. I would also like to add the fact that partsforming does mean that it puts TFs at greater risk of losing bits of themselves, so there's that.Wolfman Jake wrote:Stargrave wrote:Also what’s the problem with partsforming? I think it’s rad. Weaponizers, Omega Supreme, Galaxy Upgrade Prime, heck Cybertron Prime, anything that ever combined or armored up, partsforming. I don’t get the grrr over partsforming. Always been around, used by many a beloved character, you all know it deep down you feel the love you feel the love for parts and their forming.
Partsforming is a bit of an art. It can easily be done very wrong, a la our first impressions of Earthrise Arcee. Earthrise Cliffumper's partsforming is borderline, but won me over in the end for two reasons. 1) He can use the back of his vehicle mode as a credible shield. 2) The removable part still stores neatly on his back for a complete look. Arcee's "hoverboard" looks like the back half of a car, period. Hanging off her back, it'll look even clunkier than Soundbarrier, who is probably one of the worst Transformer toys in this century. Characters who "armor up" are fine for partsforming, because the base robot is still a fully functional transforming toy on its own, and the "armor" bits combine to form an accessory for the vehicle or something else, like a weapon or battle station. Earthrise Arcee isn't being "armored up" by the back half of her alt mode under her feet or hanging off her already kibbled back.
It's also easier to embrace partsforming on legacy characters, like Ultra Magnus, where that was his original schtick in G1. Or, on "new" characters like the completely reimagined Brunt, who never had G1 robot mode to begin with. Arcee is not an established partsformer, and unlike Cliffjumper, her use of partsforming is VERY underwhelming, to put it mildly.
Mind you, with regards to characters who partsformed originally, sometimes trying to cut down on the partsforming can actually make things worse. Legends Godbomber suffers a bit from trying too hard to reduce partsforming. And then there's Combiner Wars Silverbolt, who suffers from having to have the combiner kibble built in.
Looking at Arcee, I'm fairly confident that the detachable car aft will be able to fold up into the rest of her backpack rather than dangle behind her legs. Not the greatest, but still better than it could be. I also think there's a chance it will make a better-looking hoverboard when turned upside-down.
I don't know that making her a shellformer for the sake of a pelvis swivel was the best design call, but she at least looks nice and has fully 5mm-compatible hands (and there's the C.O.M.B.A.T. potential). I still plan to get her. She won't supplant T30 Arcee, of course, but she's got enough going for her to make a fun complement.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
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