Is that an IDW reference or are you referring to the Universe (2003) storyline?ZeroWolf wrote:I'd still love for unicron to be given his own army in the fiction (one that wasn't just Beast Wars characters with added spikes)
ZeroWolf wrote:I reckon the next commander class will be a con, but who? Plus I doubt you'll ever get that commander class Magnus, it'd throw his robot mode completely out of scale. Rodimus however, I can see him in part three. Would be a good thing to go along with Unicron. Ditto for Galvaltron, Cyclonus etc. All depends on where the story goes really L, but I'd be suprised if plans weren't altered when they learned unicron had been funded.
I'd still love for unicron to be given his own army in the fiction (one that wasn't just Beast Wars characters with added spikes) and a new Sideways to lead them
A Commander Class Overlord would be good to see, yes. It'd make him scale properly fiction-wise with Legends God Ginrai, and allow for a better base mode than the Titans Return version has. I mean, the base mode on that one isn't horrible or anything, but it does utterly pale in comparison to the G1 toy's.LeAwesome1 wrote:Commander class could be a good way to get a new Overlord too, but I don't know if they would
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
I suppose that's a fair point. Of course, we'd then be talking like 3 or 4 years to get them all if Hasbro does them. Unless maybe Victory Saber was done as a Titan.Sabrblade wrote:The thing is, Overlord, Star Saber, Victory Leo, and Deathsaurus are all more or less Combiner-sized in Masterforce and Victory, so they would all have to be Commander class toys to get them that size.
Shadowman wrote:This is Sabrblade we're talking about. His ability to store trivial information about TV shows is downright superhuman.
Caelus wrote:My wife pointed out something interesting about the prehistoric Predacons. I said that everyone was complaining because transforming for them mostly consisted of them just standing up-right. She essentially said, 'So? That's what our ancestors did.'
Fans would like a Commander-class Overlord too. TR/Legends Overlord is too small next to Legends Ginrai, and only does so much. Kids would be intrigued by a Commander-class Overlord too, both from the size and from the base mode. Because a Commander-class Overlord would be able to have a base mode more along the lines of this:Sentinel_Primal wrote:I doubt Overlord's going to be a Commander, based on the fact that his TR figure is still on sale for $30 in a lot of places. Deathsaurus is a maybe because fans would like it, and kids would see him turning into a dragon and be intrigued.
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:I'm making an educated guess based on things that have happened before, AoE and TLK seeming to have lower investment in their toylines than the first three movies, the fact that toys take time to develop and the movie kinda set an inflexible deadline for having product on the shelves, and the fact that Bumblebee is a staple character that they couldn't not have a toy of in stores when the movie came out.Tuned Agent wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Okay, first off, there's a qualifier on the TLK Bumblebee thing: The proper version obviously wasn't ready in time for the movie's release, but they couldn't very well not have a Bumblebee on the shelves when it came out. Would have been smarter to reuse the DotM mold rather than the AoE mold though.Tuned Agent wrote:From a collector's perspective, I view Siege and Earthrise as two parts of the same (very G1 cartoon-centric) whole. I prefer Siege, but that's simply because Siege had more figures that interested me than ER does. But since G1 cartoon-centric isn't really my thing, many of the figures just don't interest me like they do for much of the rest of the fandom.
From a more cynical perspective, however, I can't help but get the feeling that much of Siege was little more than what Hasbro did with Bumblebee in TLK's toyline, only to a much larger scale. Release a "lesser" version first, then release a "better" version later after everyone has bought the first one.
I didn't realize Hasbro had put out a statement about that. Or are you just guessing? And if you are, why is your interpretation any more accurate than mine?
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Also, Hasbro isn't Electronic Arts.
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:1. For the umpteenth bloody time, Smokescreen is the only confirmed ER Datsun so far. And Smokescreen's SIEGE version was A. extra-off compared to Prowl and Bluestreak and B. not as accessible.Tuned Agent wrote:But Siege and ER molds for Optimus, Megatron, and the datsuns... don't. They're pretty much the same, the ER molds are just that much more G1-accurate in both modes.
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:2a. Optimus tries to be different with the giant roof lights that no Earth truck I've ever seen has, and the see-through grille, and I think it works.
2b. There's only so much you can do with G1 Optimus while sticking to the cartoon robot mode.
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:3. You're counting MEGATRON in the "That much more G1-accurate"?
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:No, he couldn't have. Because they had just done a G1 cartoon Optimus Prime with trailer at the Leader-class price point in Power of the Primes. Did you completely overlook that? Thanks to PotP, the Warden-obligatory Leader Optimus in SIEGE had to be something different. But they still wanted a more G1 Optimus in there (As far as Generations goes, Optimus is the new Bumblebee).Tuned Agent wrote:And yes, ER Prime got a trailer, but I'm talking about the base figure. And the trailer doesn't necessarily give a reason for Siege Prime's existence. Siege Prime easily could have gotten the trailer treatment had he been leader class,
Also IMO it's less "the trailer justifies SIEGE Prime's existence" and more "The trailer justifies Earthrise Prime's existence".
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:But then they wouldn't have had a G1 Optimus at the Voyager price point in SIEGE.Tuned Agent wrote:and they easily could have just released a version of ER Prime without the trailer.
Except it's not exactly the same. The Coneheads all had appearances on Sky Lynx's boxart and Thrust is outright named in a listing. There have been no such hints of the other Datsuns. That's why in another post I said there hasn't been so much as a whisper of them.Tuned Agent wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:1. For the umpteenth bloody time, Smokescreen is the only confirmed ER Datsun so far. And Smokescreen's SIEGE version was A. extra-off compared to Prowl and Bluestreak and B. not as accessible.Tuned Agent wrote:But Siege and ER molds for Optimus, Megatron, and the datsuns... don't. They're pretty much the same, the ER molds are just that much more G1-accurate in both modes.
Yes, technically Smokescreen is the only one confirmed yet. But if we're honest with ourselves, there's a better chance of a new Animated Prowl being made and it being redecoed into Bluestreak and Smokescreen than the other two datsun bros not being made from the ER mold. The same thing can be said for the seekers, Starscream is the only specific one that has been confirmed.
Because they were shackled by the cartoon robot modes. Optimus' robot mode is too boxy and too simple to be able to do too much else with his truck mode; there's not a lot to him that could have been repurposed like they did with the Seekers' ducts and wings.Tuned Agent wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:2a. Optimus tries to be different with the giant roof lights that no Earth truck I've ever seen has, and the see-through grille, and I think it works.
2b. There's only so much you can do with G1 Optimus while sticking to the cartoon robot mode.
That's my point though. If Hasbro had truly intended Siege Optimus to represent a "different" look/design for the character, even if just for the alt mode, they easily could have done more to make him different that a few aesthetic changes to his G1 truck mode. They did it with the Siege seekers, why couldn't they have done it with others?
1. IMO battle damage doesn't count. 2. The shins are still tank bits rather than Bakelite-grip Walther handle, so not really. They're slightly more accurate at the front, but it's not enough to make a real difference. 3. The pelvis differences are trivial. 4. SIEGE Megatron's headsculpt is equally G1-accurate. Megatron's head in the cartoon is a bloody mess, because it's actually based on a misinterpretation of his toy's head as seen in the packaging art (the same thing that turned Hound's rifle into a small pistol); this results in a lot of inconsistency in how it's drawn. Whether the outer helmet's cheeks are angled in and by how much perpetually fluctuates from episode to episode and shot to shot (even in the damn movie!), same for whether it's drawn with the toy-accurate ridges on the back (which the SIEGE head has), the exact shape of it constantly changes... So there's a fair bit of wiggle room as far as the accuracy of Megs' stupid noggin. I personally favor the SIEGE head more, since it has that extra touch of toy detail.Tuned Agent wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:3. You're counting MEGATRON in the "That much more G1-accurate"?
He doesn't have battle damage splatter and his shins, pelvis and headsculpt are all more G1 accurate, so yes, by definition he is "that much more G1-accurate".
Whuh? ER Optimus is G1 cartoon Earth Mode Optimus, both cab and trailer. That gives him decidedly more in common with the PotP Evolution figure than SIEGE Starscream - who is a Tetrajet - has with PotP Starscream (an Earth jet). Or did you mean to say ER Starscream?Tuned Agent wrote:ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:No, he couldn't have. Because they had just done a G1 cartoon Optimus Prime with trailer at the Leader-class price point in Power of the Primes. Did you completely overlook that? Thanks to PotP, the Warden-obligatory Leader Optimus in SIEGE had to be something different. But they still wanted a more G1 Optimus in there (As far as Generations goes, Optimus is the new Bumblebee).Tuned Agent wrote:And yes, ER Prime got a trailer, but I'm talking about the base figure. And the trailer doesn't necessarily give a reason for Siege Prime's existence. Siege Prime easily could have gotten the trailer treatment had he been leader class,
Also IMO it's less "the trailer justifies SIEGE Prime's existence" and more "The trailer justifies Earthrise Prime's existence".
No, I didn't overlook that, it's just not relevant anymore. ER Optimus is no less different from PotP Optimus than Siege Starscream is from PotP Starscream
How does my point that they couldn't have done another Leader cab-and-trailer G1 cartoon Optimus immediately after PotP, that the Optimus toys in SIEGE had to be different from the immediately-preceding Optimus, not make sense?Tuned Agent wrote:Your point would have made sense a couple years ago, but not now.
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Fans would like a Commander-class Overlord too. TR/Legends Overlord is too small next to Legends Ginrai, and only does so much. Kids would be intrigued by a Commander-class Overlord too, both from the size and from the base mode. Because a Commander-class Overlord would be able to have a base mode more along the lines of this:Sentinel_Primal wrote:I doubt Overlord's going to be a Commander, based on the fact that his TR figure is still on sale for $30 in a lot of places. Deathsaurus is a maybe because fans would like it, and kids would see him turning into a dragon and be intrigued.
Frankly, I think turning Sky Lynx's "toothed sauropod" robot mode (the separate components of which are just as much space shuttle and shuttle crawler as they are bird and lynx, if not moreso) into Deathsaurus' bipedal psychotic mutant chicken mode, is more of a stretch. Here's why Overlord makes more sense to me:Rodimus Prime wrote:Deathsaurus would be a better candidate for a Sky Lynx retool, I think. They'd have to fuse the bird and the lynx together, but it can be done. Turning a bird and a lynx into a jet and a tank? It would be a stretch. Not impossible, but a stretch.
He looks good, but his Gigatank component pales next to the original and Legends God Ginrai can just sit on himRodimus Prime wrote:FWIW, I like the leader Overlord we got, he looks good on a shelf, even if he's somewhat simple. I wish we would have gotten a proper Giga and Mega with him, though.
ZeroWolf wrote:I really hope we don't have yet another sky Lynx retooled into a deathsarus...
I agree with your assessment on how we could get Overlord from Sky Lynx. Those were my thoughts as well. And a commander class Overlord would go better with TR PM Prime. TR Overlord scales well with the original PM Prime without Godbomber.ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Frankly, I think turning Sky Lynx's "toothed sauropod" robot mode (the separate components of which are just as much space shuttle and shuttle crawler as they are bird and lynx, if not moreso) into Deathsaurus' bipedal psychotic mutant chicken mode, is more of a stretch. Here's why Overlord makes more sense to me:Rodimus Prime wrote:Deathsaurus would be a better candidate for a Sky Lynx retool, I think. They'd have to fuse the bird and the lynx together, but it can be done. Turning a bird and a lynx into a jet and a tank? It would be a stretch. Not impossible, but a stretch.
* Overlord is made of two separate components, a flying vehicle and a tracked ground vehicle, just like Sky Lynx. Granted, his combined robot mode is a humanoid rather than a toothy saurian. But still.
* Having the SR-71-esque Megajet as an alternate tooling of the shuttle bird wouldn't be that huge a stretch. The Gigatank as the alternate tooling of the carrier-crawler would be more work, but it could be done. It'd basically be like how TR Overlord and Sky Shadow are mold-mates, but with the lower half being the more divergent.
* As others have pointed out, the base mode (which is something Deathy didn't have and would probably be harder to give) is kinda-sorta similar to Overlord's as it is.
* Sky Lynx's robot modes are just as much vehicle as they are animal (and Overlord's robot mode is likewise made up of vehicle bits). But Deathsaurus' beast mode? Is purely a robotic beast, just like the Dinobots' beast modes.
* Sky Lynx's unfurled wings don't really match Deathsaurus' wings.
TLDR: Turning a flying vehicle and a tracked vehicle that combine into a winged sauropod robot with evident vehicle bits, into a semi-similar flying vehicle and different tracked vehicle that combine into a humanoid robot with evident vehicle bits, seems less of a stretch than turning that same shuttle-crawler sauropod into a bipedal chicken-dino kaiju with no vehicle bits and completely different wings and also has a humanoid robot mode it directly transforms to.He looks good, but his Gigatank component pales next to the original and Legends God Ginrai can just sit on himRodimus Prime wrote:FWIW, I like the leader Overlord we got, he looks good on a shelf, even if he's somewhat simple. I wish we would have gotten a proper Giga and Mega with him, though.
I don't find PotP Grimlock underwhelming at all. He's magnificently G1-accurate in robot and dino modes. I can see people finding the torso mode lacking (although I don't), but the robot and dino modes are delightfully articulated - and aside from the minor changes for the combined mode, replicate the G1 figure's detailing pretty much greeble-for-greeble. The transformation is also very close; the most notable differences are his tail forming the back of his robot mode lower legs (both to economize on mass and make the robot mode a bit neater) and the robot torso splitting in half for its upward migration.Rodimus Prime wrote:Honestly, I was hoping Grimlock and Hot Rod/Rodimus were going to get a break in this line, but the figures we got in PoTP for both characters were underwhelming, so maybe it wouldn't hurt to get them in WFC. A leader Grimlock, voyagers for Snarl and Sludge, and deluxe for Slag and Swoop. But the 4 other Dinos got treated well in PoTP, so I doubt we'll get figures for them. Having said that, I would like WFC to focus on characters that have never gotten proper figures, or haven't gotten any since the 80s. (Firecons!!!)
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