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[Hellscream9999]

It's obviously going to be a cyberverse toy. Just like the scraplet gimmick where teeth spin inside.

I agree, pretty sure this sounds like a cyberverse figure; might even be the next build-a-fig

[ScottyP]

On a different note, it looks like Titan class Scorponok will have the Marvel/Rebirth-styled head instead of the toy/Headmasters-styled head.

This pleases me. Never been a big fan of the toy head's look and Marvel Scorponok is what defined the character for me.

[william-james88]

Hm... I'm not sold on a non-transforming figure... If that's how the Quintessons are being handled, I'll gladly pass

Another anonymous source has stated that they do have an attack/cannon mode that requires some sort of reconfiguration. So there is a transformation aspect to it, but it's possible that the initial source either didn't know of that possibility or didn't think it was worth mentioning (or would count as transforming). We'll see.

If we do get a classic-styled, G1 Quintesson: would it transform to still count as a 'Transformers' and if so what would it even turn into? I admit I'm quite curious to see how the hell this could even function as I cannot see Hasbro releasing a non-transforming mainline figure if the leaks are true.

Firstly, see above for How Hasbro might be handling it.
Secondly, Hasbro has released entire lines/classes of non transforming Transformers in the past. And some of those sell for a fortune on e-bay. The Bludgeon skeleton Samurai on everyone's pedestal is a non transforming shell. Transformers is the brand name, not a necessary gimmick.

[TF-fan kev777]

Transformers is the brand name, not a necessary gimmick.

Agreed, Hasbro owns the brand and can put whatever type of toy within the retail lines that they want. However, for my collection, no thanks. If it doesn't transform then it doesn't get bought.

I believe that is the sentiment being expressed by most others who are questioning what a non-transforming toy is doing in the main line.

[william-james88]

We knew Scorponok was coming for a while and we saw the headmaster unit at NYCC 2019. However, Vector Sigma on Facebook gave the footage another look and checked to see what else they could gather from what was presented. They took one of Seibertron's screenshots showing the back of the larger headmaster (so Scorponok's titan head), reoriented it and coloured it to see which style they were going for. As it turns out, the visor we see means titan class Scorponok, who is a double headmaster this time like Fortress Maximus, will be sporting his head from "Rebirth". This is also the look he had in the Marvel UK comics. It's very different to the Japanese Head Masters cartoon which went for the more toy accurate look of separate eyes coming from the smaller head.

This of course makes sense since Hasbro's colours and designs as of late have been more inspired by the US cartoon rather than the toys.

You can see the original image from NYCC below (as well as our entire gallery here), followed by the digital coloured version and comparisons to the two cartoons.

[Sentinel_Primal]

Oh, it was a digibash type thing Should have been obvious because of how it was positioned and such... Guess I'm so hyped to see more images of the headmaster unit that I just hoped it was real

[LinaNui]

This is such good news! For me the visor looks much better than the Japanese version with eyes. I really can not wait to see more of him. Does anyone know when the next toy convention is that may have reveals about earthrise of studio series?

[william-james88]

Transformers is the brand name, not a necessary gimmick.

Agreed, Hasbro owns the brand and can put whatever type of toy within the retail lines that they want. However, for my collection, no thanks. If it doesn't transform then it doesn't get bought.

I believe that is the sentiment being expressed by most others who are questioning what a non-transforming toy is doing in the main line.

I get that, and I agree that I want my transformers figures to transform. But what about characters that never transformed? Like the Fallen in ROTF? I never understood why having a crap lazy shoehorned alt mode made things better. The entire defense people are saying over in the Studio Series thread for Shockwave's lump of sharp metal alt mode is that he doesn't transform in the movie anyway so the alt mode doesnt matter, what matters is his awesome looking bot mode. And we are seeing the reverse here, like no matter how great it is to finally get a quintessons figure for our collections, I am seeing "if it doesnt transform into anything, then it can go **** off" type comments by saying they wont support it. I especially don't get it for quintessons, characters that (in some fiction) created the idea of Transformers. Meanwhile, since 2011, fans have been spending lots of money on non transforming 3rd party quints.

[Sentinel_Primal]

Transformers is the brand name, not a necessary gimmick.

Agreed, Hasbro owns the brand and can put whatever type of toy within the retail lines that they want. However, for my collection, no thanks. If it doesn't transform then it doesn't get bought.

I believe that is the sentiment being expressed by most others who are questioning what a non-transforming toy is doing in the main line.

I get that, and I agree that I want my transformers figures to transform. But what about characters that never transformed? Like the Fallen in ROTF? I never understood why having a crap lazy shoehorned alt mode made things better. The entire defense people are saying over in the Studio Series thread for Shockwave's lump of sharp metal alt mode is that he doesn't transform in the movie anyway so the alt mode doesnt matter, what matters is his awesome looking bot mode. And we are seeing the reverse here, like no matter how great it is to finally get a quintessons figure for our collections, if it doesnt transform into anything, then it can go **** off. I especially don't get it for quintessons, characters that (in some fiction) created the idea of Transformers. Meanwhile, since 2011, fans have been spending lots of money on non transforming 3rd party quints.

Personally, I've never really cared for the idea of Quintessons creating the Transformers. And while they were cool in the movie, they didn't really stick out to me as "needs a toy". I guess part of what it boils down to for me is that I just don't really care for the Quintessons beyond temporary bad guys with awesome minions. But, if seeing them means new versions of the Sharkticons and Allicons, I am all for it

[TF-fan kev777]

Transformers is the brand name, not a necessary gimmick.

Agreed, Hasbro owns the brand and can put whatever type of toy within the retail lines that they want. However, for my collection, no thanks. If it doesn't transform then it doesn't get bought.

I believe that is the sentiment being expressed by most others who are questioning what a non-transforming toy is doing in the main line.

I get that, and I agree that I want my transformers figures to transform. But what about characters that never transformed? Like the Fallen in ROTF? I never understood why having a crap lazy shoehorned alt mode made things better. The entire defense people are saying over in the Studio Series thread for Shockwave's lump of sharp metal alt mode is that he doesn't transform in the movie anyway so the alt mode doesnt matter, what matters is his awesome looking bot mode. And we are seeing the reverse here, like no matter how great it is to finally get a quintessons figure for our collections, if it doesnt transform into anything, then it can go **** off. I especially don't get it for quintessons, characters that (in some fiction) created the idea of Transformers. Meanwhile, since 2011, fans have been spending lots of money on non transforming 3rd party quints.

I think we are looking at 2 different things though. For the movies, the Fallen and Shockwave were transformers which means they had some type of transformation to an alt mode, it just wasn't shown on screen. So it existed, but we just didn't know anything about it. By that measure, forcing some type of alt mode would be necessary to fit in with the toy line. A crappy alt mode can be forgiven there because the movie didn't bother including one.

With the quintessons, they are not transformers, so not having an alt mode makes sense, and would be cartoon accurate, which is what the WFC trilogy is going for. Again, I have no problem with this, is just isn't for me. So if they do include some non-transforming characters in the line, I'll be skipping them, and my wallet says thanks for the little break.

Now, if it does come out that they do have some type of transformation and look like fun toys, then maybe I get interested enough to make a decision once I see them in hand.

[william-james88]

I think we are looking at 2 different things though. For the movies, the Fallen and Shockwave were transformers which means they had some type of transformation to an alt mode, it just wasn't shown on screen. So it existed, but we just didn't know anything about it. By that measure, forcing some type of alt mode would be necessary to fit in with the toy line. A crappy alt mode can be forgiven there because the movie didn't bother including one.

With the quintessons, they are not transformers, so not having an alt mode makes sense, and would be cartoon accurate, which is what the WFC trilogy is going for. Again, I have no problem with this, is just isn't for me. So if they do include some non-transforming characters in the line, I'll be skipping them, and my wallet says thanks for the little break.

Now, if it does come out that they do have some type of transformation and look like fun toys, then maybe I get interested enough to make a decision once I see them in hand.

Kevin, I agree with absolutely everything you said. And I am in the same boat in terms of purchasing (my wallet needs a break too and I think I will finally do the whole "only 1 of each character rule"). I am myself not a huge fan of the quints, nor the idea that they created the Transformers.

[blackeyedprime]

Transformers is the brand name, not a necessary gimmick.

Agreed, Hasbro owns the brand and can put whatever type of toy within the retail lines that they want. However, for my collection, no thanks. If it doesn't transform then it doesn't get bought.

I believe that is the sentiment being expressed by most others who are questioning what a non-transforming toy is doing in the main line.

I get that, and I agree that I want my transformers figures to transform. But what about characters that never transformed? Like the Fallen in ROTF? I never understood why having a crap lazy shoehorned alt mode made things better. The entire defense people are saying over in the Studio Series thread for Shockwave's lump of sharp metal alt mode is that he doesn't transform in the movie anyway so the alt mode doesnt matter, what matters is his awesome looking bot mode. And we are seeing the reverse here, like no matter how great it is to finally get a quintessons figure for our collections, I am seeing "if it doesnt transform into anything, then it can go **** off" type comments by saying they wont support it. I especially don't get it for quintessons, characters that (in some fiction) created the idea of Transformers. Meanwhile, since 2011, fans have been spending lots of money on non transforming 3rd party quints.

Baynus Shockwave did transform in his first appearance tho -in the video game so it's not quite the same as the bionicle reject of the Fallen with his alt mode coughed up.

[gothsaurus]

Perfect take on the Scorponok head. Flawless choices IMHO.

For the Quints, I think ensuring there is some fun play gimmick (which could even be in accessories or ability to deconstruct or swap parts) is fine. I really don't WANT transforming Quints. They could be solid plastic for all I care — as build a figure or bonus figures with smaller minibot characters. A clicking, spinning option does appeal to me, though. Hope that's true.

Heck, they could be bonus figure in conjunction with a transforming playset like Ironworks. I'm sure Hasbro has a good plan.

[Ultra Markus]

I liked that head design better anyway
But I wonder if they would do the Japanese style
Later in a stand a lone figure for selects
That way you can just swap heads if you so choose

[AcademyofDrX]

IF Hasbro decided to release a Quintessons figure, especially in a Generations line, I would expect rotating faces at a minimum. But it seems highly coincidental to me that immediately after a "leak," suddenly multiple people come forward to say, wouldn't you know it, I've actually already seen that toy, I just didn't think to mention it until after someone else "confirmed" it.

I do seriously want an Allicon though. There are so many beast-formers, so it would be unusual to introduce those guys in a line that, to date, has been all about human vehicles.

[gothsaurus]

I've wondered why they didn't do extra heads for years! Making stand-alone unique headmasters for deluxe AND titan size bots would be a real game changer. So much play value there. Would encourage people to buy extra figures to troop build, too. (We only got a tiny bit taste of this with Takara's Sharkticon figure that came with Sweep head.)

Utilizing unique features like faceplates, beard, visors would go a long way to differentiate new characters (and none of those have been used on Titans).

Could also use smaller factions like Constructions, Junkions, Insecticons, Dinobots as a theme — for a "take-over" of the city. Imagine a Marvel-comic style Grimlock (or like the Sunbow meteor episode) that revolted against the leadership and took over Fort Max. (Heck, that sounds like a great season of shows to me. Various factions are trying to take over the cities, and turmoil ensues when any of them succeed and walk off with the city to do their own bidding.)

But I digress. I also kept waiting for store exclusive titan master head sets with nicely themed color sets — could be icy white and blue, all black (with charcoal gray detail) nemesis/stealth set, power-up magma red sets, junkion color sets...

So many missed opportunities.

[AllNewSuperRobot]

I do seriously want an Allicon though. There are so many beast-formers, so it would be unusual to introduce those guys in a line that, to date, has been all about human vehicles.

This 100%!

[Sentinel_Primal]

I liked that head design better anyway
But I wonder if they would do the Japanese style
Later in a stand a lone figure for selects
That way you can just swap heads if you so choose

That's actually a really good idea. It'd be the perfect way to get a bit more money out of a mold that otherwise might not get used, plus it'd be giving collectors more options. How much would it cost though? If it's the same size figure as Cerebros, I think it'd be closer to voyager price, and if they include electronics they might price it at $40

[william-james88]

IF Hasbro decided to release a Quintessons figure, especially in a Generations line, I would expect rotating faces at a minimum. But it seems highly coincidental to me that immediately after a "leak," suddenly multiple people come forward to say, wouldn't you know it, I've actually already seen that toy, I just didn't think to mention it until after someone else "confirmed" it.

I see it as the inverse of that. People cannot say anything about what they have seen but now that hasbro themselves have leaked it by mistake, they can share what they know. What I find interesting is the various interpretations.

[Sentinel_Primal]

I just had a thought. Is Scorponok going to be similar to the Horrorcons? Because on the G1 toy Scorponok's helmet formed the scorpion mode head, and since the new titan class figure doesn't have a helmet, will the figure have the middle stage headmaster serve as both robot, and scorpion mode heads?

[ScottyP]

IF Hasbro decided to release a Quintessons figure, especially in a Generations line, I would expect rotating faces at a minimum. But it seems highly coincidental to me that immediately after a "leak," suddenly multiple people come forward to say, wouldn't you know it, I've actually already seen that toy, I just didn't think to mention it until after someone else "confirmed" it.

I see it as the inverse of that. People cannot say anything about what they have seen but now that hasbro themselves have leaked it by mistake, they can share what they know. What I find interesting is the various interpretations.

Bingo.

Anyway it's a bold move to do these guys but I welcome it if it's getting done correctly. This means not just one stand-alone figure, folks around for Energon can tell you how this guy warmed shelves:

Transformers Energon Alpha Quintesson (Alpha Q) Gallery

Gotta have not just the Imperial Magistrix (or magistrate, whichever was intended) but the judge, bailiffs, executioner, guards, Alicons, Sharkticons and heck, throw in some variant paint jobs and call em Kledji, Sevax or Jolup (or Ryknia for James Roberts/Eugenesis fanboys like me) while they're at it. Do the scientists or Mara-Al-Utha. Basically, go for broke!

[Microbot]

I still think he Quintsenssor is a bad figure to do btw...It is really like this description I'll pass for sure

[ZeroWolf]

I'd rather they didn't to be fair, I'll be steering clear of the quints themselves as they hold no interest to me whatsoever, and I'd say are taking a place that could be used for something better.

Regardless I'd say that we'd get repaints from Selects or maybe Amazon exclusives.

[Wolfman Jake]

I'd rather they didn't to be fair, I'll be steering clear of the quints themselves as they hold no interest to me whatsoever, and I'd say are taking a place that could be used for something better.

I don't know if that argument makes as much sense anymore. Generations Selects is really a game changer. So is the rise of online exclusives from Amazon over the past few years. Even Hasbro Pulse is getting into that by directly selling Takara's exclusive retools and repaints to North America. We've got a LOT of outlets as collectors for desired Transformers figures that don't make it to brick and mortar store shelves. We can't really say that whatever figure or character gets picked for the mass retail branch of a line forces out some other desired character altogether. They could just be moved to online distribution. Adult collectors should have no issue getting what they want, whether it be in store or online, and Hasbro has been great about giving us MORE of what we want than ever before the past few years.

[ZeroWolf]

I'd rather they didn't to be fair, I'll be steering clear of the quints themselves as they hold no interest to me whatsoever, and I'd say are taking a place that could be used for something better.

I don't know if that argument makes as much sense anymore. Generations Selects is really a game changer. So is the rise of online exclusives from Amazon over the past few years. Even Hasbro Pulse is getting into that by directly selling Takara's exclusive retools and repaints to North America. We've got a LOT of outlets as collectors for desired Transformers figures that don't make it to brick and mortar store shelves. We can't really say that whatever figure or character gets picked for the mass retail branch of a line forces out some other desired character altogether. They could just be moved to online distribution. Adult collectors should have no issue getting what they want, whether it be in store or online, and Hasbro has been great about giving us MORE of what we want than ever before the past few years.

I can see what you're saying, though I'd much prefer the quints to be the exclusives as kids aren't going to care about them (unless timed with an appearance in the Cyberverse cartoon). They do seem more of a collector focused item.

On saying that I am prepared to eat my words when and if pictures surface. As always, that will be the ultimate decider. Things that I've been lukewarm on have become must buys for me when I see what they actually look like. If something looks fun to play with, it'll be fun to own.