The Energon Pub

[Skritz]

At this point we're all going in circles babbling about Star Saber expecting him to show up. You know what they say about the 'definition of insanity', right?

[no-one]

...whether Astrotrain should be a Voyager or Leader scaled figure.

Does it even make a difference with Siege? The two size classes are the same for the base bot.

I'll toss this out again. If Astrotrain comes to Siege as a leader he will have armor because Hasbro likes to stick with size class gimmicks. His nekked alt mode will be a train of sorts and then it will partially transform and armor up to become a larger shuttle. We'll get some parts forming mass shifting.

But there are no size class gimmicks in Siege. If armor was mandated then Hasbro would advertise the hell out of it every chance they had like the evolution gimmick of PotP Leaders or the Triplechanger gimmick of TR Voyagers.

Emerje

Sure there is, it's just a little looser than before. Micromasters become weapons or armor and most combine and all the leaders so far have had voyager sized base robots that armor/weapon up. I'd be shocked if any new Siege leaders don't have an armor/weapon size changing gimmick.

That’s a gimmick that just doesn’t work for Astrotrain IMO.

I agree, I'm just basing my guess/speculation on their Prime Wars track record of forcing gimmicks on size classes. So far from what we've seen Siege is doing the same thing with the leader class.


Let me ask this question; before ToyFair and knowing how the current three known leader class figures work, would anyone have expected a fourth leader class figure to be any different?

Follow up; has Jetfire's size class announcement and a random voyager triple changer changed any of those expectations?

[Skritz]

I gotta say its really weird for Astrotrain to show up when he just got a toy in Titans Return. Yes, I know this is a GEEWUN pandering line but so far, Siege hasn't really stepped on any toes of the previous lines (unless its a 'mandatory character') unless it really felt the need to give a toy/cartoon accurate update. I'd argue Astrotrain doesn't seem such a pressing matter, unless people at Hasbro felt this line really badly needed a purple 'cybertronian' steam locomotive. Not only that but Leader class seems odd for a guy like Astrotrain in terms of popularity.

Anyone else suspect he's a pretool to someone else?

[Jelze Bunnycat]

I gotta say its really weird for Astrotrain to show up when he just got a toy in Titans Return. Yes, I know this is a GEEWUN pandering line but so far, Siege hasn't really stepped on any toes of the previous lines (unless its a 'mandatory character') unless it really felt the need to give a toy/cartoon accurate update. I'd argue Astrotrain doesn't seem such a pressing matter, unless people at Hasbro felt this line really badly needed a purple 'cybertronian' steam locomotive. Not only that but Leader class seems odd for a guy like Astrotrain in terms of popularity.

Anyone else suspect he's a pretool to someone else?

Anyone thinking this rumored Astrotrain may actually be Commander Class and not Leader?

[no-one]

Anyone thinking this rumored Astrotrain may actually be Commander Class and not Leader?

That would actually make more sense. A troop transport for each faction.

But will he still be a triple changer?

[Nathaniel Prime]

Anyone thinking this rumored Astrotrain may actually be Commander Class and not Leader?

That would actually make more sense. A troop transport for each faction.

But will he still be a triple changer?

If he is Commander Class, he'll be the size of a Voyager, with an insane 250 step transformation into each mode, comes with a c*** ton of accessories, and can mow your lawn.

For 80$, that seems worth it

[Skritz]

He's going to be a Jetfire repaint! What? It happened before.

[Deadput]

i am so excited!

but now i gotta find a new role for

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Just saw your post just now but how about Dropshot from Armada?

https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Dropshot_(Armada)

[mordhelm]

Does anyone know exactly how big Astrotrain is supposed to be in robot mode (at least according to the original Sunbow produced cartoon)? I've seen a lot of scale/size and style guides for G1 characters out there, but haven't found one that includes Astrotrain or Blitzwing along with their contemporary Decepticon comrades. I found a still of Astrotrain crowning Starscream from The Transformers: The Movie, so they look to be of about equal stature, but we all know G1 is never consistent with its scaling in the cartoon, so one scene isn't enough evidence to prove a case for whether Astrotrain should be a Voyager or Leader scaled figure.

This is the scale guide everyone uses. Its huge.

https://toyroom.files.wordpress.com/201 ... _scale.jpg

[william-james88]

I gotta say its really weird for Astrotrain to show up when he just got a toy in Titans Return. Yes, I know this is a GEEWUN pandering line but so far, Siege hasn't really stepped on any toes of the previous lines (unless its a 'mandatory character') unless it really felt the need to give a toy/cartoon accurate update. I'd argue Astrotrain doesn't seem such a pressing matter, unless people at Hasbro felt this line really badly needed a purple 'cybertronian' steam locomotive. Not only that but Leader class seems odd for a guy like Astrotrain in terms of popularity.

Anyone else suspect he's a pretool to someone else?

Anyone thinking this rumored Astrotrain may actually be Commander Class and not Leader?

He cant be since the preorders people can actually pay for right now have him pegged as both a leader and coming in a 2 leader case.

Here is my prediction, it will be a triple changer with g1 styled modes.

[mordhelm]

I gotta say its really weird for Astrotrain to show up when he just got a toy in Titans Return. Yes, I know this is a GEEWUN pandering line but so far, Siege hasn't really stepped on any toes of the previous lines (unless its a 'mandatory character') unless it really felt the need to give a toy/cartoon accurate update. I'd argue Astrotrain doesn't seem such a pressing matter, unless people at Hasbro felt this line really badly needed a purple 'cybertronian' steam locomotive. Not only that but Leader class seems odd for a guy like Astrotrain in terms of popularity.

Anyone else suspect he's a pretool to someone else?

Anyone thinking this rumored Astrotrain may actually be Commander Class and not Leader?

He cant be since the preorders people can actually pay for right now have him pegged as both a leader and coming in a 2 leader case.

Here is my prediction, it will be a triple changer with g1 styled modes.

That makes the most sense. It would be pretty cool to see how they do that as well. Since robot scale is so important in this line I am guessing he will be approx voyager sized in robot mode but thick (high parts count) and with accessories. I am thinking a cool idea would be tracks that are weaponizing parts or some such.

That said I am almost certain Astrotrain is not a Siege figure, although a December release date is a definite gray area for Leaders (usually listed as Jan for the new lines/waves).

Are we at a point were we should start a WFC pt2 thread or should it all stay here for now?

[william-james88]

I gotta say its really weird for Astrotrain to show up when he just got a toy in Titans Return. Yes, I know this is a GEEWUN pandering line but so far, Siege hasn't really stepped on any toes of the previous lines (unless its a 'mandatory character') unless it really felt the need to give a toy/cartoon accurate update. I'd argue Astrotrain doesn't seem such a pressing matter, unless people at Hasbro felt this line really badly needed a purple 'cybertronian' steam locomotive. Not only that but Leader class seems odd for a guy like Astrotrain in terms of popularity.

Anyone else suspect he's a pretool to someone else?

Anyone thinking this rumored Astrotrain may actually be Commander Class and not Leader?

He cant be since the preorders people can actually pay for right now have him pegged as both a leader and coming in a 2 leader case.

Here is my prediction, it will be a triple changer with g1 styled modes.

That makes the most sense. It would be pretty cool to see how they do that as well. Since robot scale is so important in this line I am guessing he will be approx voyager sized in robot mode but thick (high parts count) and with accessories. I am thinking a cool idea would be tracks that are weaponizing parts or some such.

That said I am almost certain Astrotrain is not a Siege figure, although a December release date is a definite gray area for Leaders (usually listed as Jan for the new lines/waves).

Are we at a point were we should start a WFC pt2 thread or should it all stay here for now?

We will start that thread when we have any info on it.

And Astrotrain is part of Siege, his wave mate is Ultra Magnus

[Dr. Caelus]

but now i gotta find a new role for

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"Autobot Stormbringer"

Honestly that figure is doubly redundant now and I have the Treadbolt recolor of the mold, but I can't bring myself to part with him. Kind of wish there were a kit to turn him into another character; Parma maybe.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

So we're looking at the following for the classes, right?

Battlemasters
Wave 1: Firedrive, Lionizer, Blowpipe
Wave 2: Pteraxadon, Aimless
Wave 3: Smashdown, Caliburst
Wave 4: ?????

Micromasters
Wave 1: Battle Patrol, Air Strike Patrol, Race Car Patrol
Wave 2: Soundwave Minions, Rescue Patrol
Wave 3: ?????
Wave 4: ?????

Deluxes
Wave 1: Sideswipe, Hound, Cog, Flywheels
Wave 2: Ironhide, Prowl, Sixgun, Chromia
Wave 3: Brunt, Red Alert, Reflector
Wave 4: Impactor, Mirage, Barricade

Leaders
Wave 1: Magnus and Shockwave
Wave 2: Galaxy Prime with Shockwave repack
Save 3: Astrotrain with Magnus repack

Voyagers
Wave 1: Prime and Megatron
Wave 2: Starscream and Soundwave
Wave 3: Thundercracker(?) and Springer
Wave 4: Thundercracker(?) and Apeface(?)
Wave 5: Apeface(?)

So we have some really wonky stuff going on here with waves, release dates, etc.

Also, I want an Astrotrain has has a steam locomotive alternate mode, please. That's all I really want.

[Jelze Bunnycat]

So we're looking at the following for the classes, right?

Battlemasters
Wave 1: Firedrive, Lionizer, Blowpipe
Wave 2: Pteraxadon, Aimless
Wave 3: Smashdown, Caliburst
Wave 4: ?????

Micromasters
Wave 1: Battle Patrol, Air Strike Patrol, Race Car Patrol
Wave 2: Soundwave Minions, Rescue Patrol
Wave 3: ?????
Wave 4: ?????

Deluxes
Wave 1: Sideswipe, Hound, Cog, Flywheels
Wave 2: Ironhide, Prowl, Sixgun, Chromia
Wave 3: Brunt, Red Alert, Reflector
Wave 4: Impactor, Mirage, Barricade

Leaders
Wave 1: Magnus and Shockwave
Wave 2: Galaxy Prime with Shockwave repack
Save 3: Astrotrain with Magnus repack

Voyagers
Wave 1: Prime and Megatron
Wave 2: Starscream and Soundwave
Wave 3: Thundercracker(?) and Springer
Wave 4: Thundercracker(?) and Apeface(?)
Wave 5: Apeface(?)

So we have some really wonky stuff going on here with waves, release dates, etc.

Also, I want an Astrotrain has has a steam locomotive alternate mode, please. That's all I really want.

Uhm... are figures like Apeface and Astrotrain confirmed in any way?

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Uhm... are figures like Apeface and Astrotrain confirmed in any way?

Nope, but I attempted to work them into this paradigm for the heck of it.

Also, picked up this guy last night. Holy cow is he amazing! This is a fun figure, and I'm glad I spent so much time considering him in stores before getting him, he's worth it!

[Wolfman Jake]

Does anyone know exactly how big Astrotrain is supposed to be in robot mode (at least according to the original Sunbow produced cartoon)? I've seen a lot of scale/size and style guides for G1 characters out there, but haven't found one that includes Astrotrain or Blitzwing along with their contemporary Decepticon comrades. I found a still of Astrotrain crowning Starscream from The Transformers: The Movie, so they look to be of about equal stature, but we all know G1 is never consistent with its scaling in the cartoon, so one scene isn't enough evidence to prove a case for whether Astrotrain should be a Voyager or Leader scaled figure.

This is the scale guide everyone uses. Its huge.

https://toyroom.files.wordpress.com/201 ... _scale.jpg

That's the one I use too. I didn't see before that Astrotrain and Blitzwing were right there at the end of the line of Season 2 Autobots.

Question answered, though! Astrotrain should be about the same size as Starscreem, Soundwave, Shockwave, and the like. Thanks!

[Hellscream9999]

I kind of really need a generations update of this in a bad way

[Wolfman Jake]

So we're looking at the following for the classes, right?
Voyagers
Wave 1: Prime and Megatron
Wave 2: Starscream and Soundwave
Wave 3: Thundercracker(?) and Springer
Wave 4: Thundercracker(?) and Apeface(?)
Wave 5: Apeface(?)

How did you come up with this projection for the Voyager waves? I would just assume Wave 4 is Apeface for now. Why repeat Thundercracker and then have have a fifth wave with Apeface again?

[Albatross250]

So we're looking at the following for the classes, right?
Voyagers
Wave 1: Prime and Megatron
Wave 2: Starscream and Soundwave
Wave 3: Thundercracker(?) and Springer
Wave 4: Thundercracker(?) and Apeface(?)
Wave 5: Apeface(?)

How did you come up with this projection for the Voyager waves? I would just assume Wave 4 is Apeface for now. Why repeat Thundercracker and then have have a fifth wave with Apeface again?

Seems interesting, an Apeface Reissue, like they did to Shockwave earlier.

[Albatross250]

I still see Shockwave looks like alot of Shockblast from Energon (Or Superlink Laserwave, Japanese version)., maybe some Additional upgrades will turn him into Shockblast.

His Sentinel Drone is based from this one, oddly enough

[matthewrex]

I have been checking Amazon daily (and retail stores frequently) for Magnus and Shockwave and finally hit them at Amazon. They both just got in today. Very happy with both of them!

Magnus is a chunky boy in super mode, especially his legs. I love the bulk though, he looks the part for sure. I think I might love his Voyager Bot mode more though, he looks absolutely stellar standing next to Optimus.

I love his trailer. Jazz fits right in.

Shockwave is great too, although it seems like his smaller nature is more apparent than Magnus'. I don't mind the Voyager+ aspect of both these leaders, but Shockwave just feels a bit more obvious. His "super" mode is a little strange, and doesn't actually make him feel like a bigger version of himself, it feels just a bit tacked on. His hoverboard is pretty neat, though (and I'm surprised it's not in the instructions).

Overall I think these are solid entries in the line, and it does feel like scale is important in this line, much like Studio Series. It doesn't feel like the different size classes are affecting scale too much (at least for someone like me who isn't super super hardcore).

[Carnivius_Prime]

This is the scale guide everyone uses. Its huge.

https://toyroom.files.wordpress.com/201 ... _scale.jpg

Didn't realise Arcee, Kup and Hot Rod were a head taller than the 1984 car autobots. Heck I didn't realise Ratchet and Ironhide were that much taller than they were. And headmaster partners are about same size as Bumblebee and the other mini-bots? Not like scale was ever consistent in G1 but yeah that's kinda weird. Interesting chart though. Thanks for the link.

[jaws]

Of course, Siege is backwards compatible with Prime Wars trilogy, it is the prequel. Duh!

[Skritz]

Does the Shockwave glider-thing have any well-placed ports to allow some stand so it can float next to Shockwave? Not that I have any stand, but it seem like it would be a pretty neat addition if it could float like some sort of airborne sentry drone.