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[Skritz]

Well, there have been times when writers retconned a genderless bio, especially if it is a non-show characters with little to no fiction, like Sonar. Another Beast Wars example is a show character, however, and that would be Airazor who also had a neutral bio so they took it as a chance to add a chick to the Maximals (as there was no female Maximal in the initial BW line). If Smashdown make no fiction appearances than the charater is utterly up in the air until a decision is reached.

[Nathaniel Prime]

Refraktor's code: REFLECTOR
Shockwave's code: TARN (as in the city he hails from, not the DJD guy)

Has that list been updated?

Is there a thread here on Siebs about this? I've been keeping track over at TFW and I have an up to date list I can share.

Missing any?

Don't think so for Wave 2 and beyond.

Of course we don't

Well this thread is about Siege so here is what I have (mostly copied from others):

Sideswipe - SUNSTREAKER
Cog - FORTRESSMAXIMUS
Hound - MACCADAMS
Skytread - DUOCON
Optimus Prime - IACON
Megatron - KAON
Ultra Magnus - FORGEOFSOLUS
Shockwave - TARN
Greenlight - LANCER
Chromia - SIIEXXXIITSFAT
Ironhide - TRITHYLLIUM
Sixgun - METROPLEX
Prowl - PRAXUS
Starscream - NULLRAY
Soundwave - LAMPPOST
Jetfire - SKYFIRE
Omega Supreme - CRYSTALCITY
Red Alert - RUNG
Refraktor - REFLECTOR
Brunt - TRYPTICON
Springer - TRIPLECHANGER
Galaxy Upgrade Optimus Prime - CONVOY

Besides, even if you knew the others the site won't accept them yet. I did get lucky and guessed Springer's code.

Thanks, these are really cool! According to the database, there are 8 codes remaining that can be acquired(22/30), the line has at least 8 more figures to be released/teased( we have 42/50), and that the line supposedly ends this December.

[Sabrblade]

Another Beast Wars example is a show character, however, and that would be Airazor who also had a neutral bio so they took it as a chance to add a chick to the Maximals (as there was no female Maximal in the initial BW line).

That's not quite how it happened. Before Airazor's toy came out, she was originally going to have a male toy bio. But Bob and Larry asked Hasbro if they could change her bio from male to female before its release since Bob and Larry wanted to add a strong female presence to the Maximals in the show and felt that the upcoming Airazor toy would do nicely. Thus, Hasbro complied and were able to change the pronouns in Airazor's bio from male to female since the request came early enough in the toy's development stages for the final bio to the changed before the toy's release.

[Nemesis Primal]

Thanks, these are really cool! According to the database, there are 8 codes remaining that can be acquired(22/30), the line has at least 8 more figures to be released/teased( we have 42/50), and that the line supposedly ends this December.

Your count's slightly off if I'm understanding you correctly, there are 11 figures/figure sets whose codes are currently locked: Thundercracker, Impactor, Mirage, Barricade, Spinister, Crosshairs, Apeface, Astrotrain, Alphastrike Counterforce, Phantomstrike Squadron, and Ratchet. In addition to that, S44-S47 have no codes but do exist, we just don't know who they are....unless they're the 30th Anniversary repaints, but we don't know what's going on with them.

[Nathaniel Prime]

Thanks, these are really cool! According to the database, there are 8 codes remaining that can be acquired(22/30), the line has at least 8 more figures to be released/teased( we have 42/50), and that the line supposedly ends this December.

Your count's slightly off if I'm understanding you correctly, there are 11 figures/figure sets whose codes are currently locked: Thundercracker, Impactor, Mirage, Barricade, Spinister, Crosshairs, Apeface, Astrotrain, Alphastrike Counterforce, Phantomstrike Squadron, and Ratchet. In addition to that, S44-S47 have no codes but do exist, we just don't know who they are....unless they're the 30th Anniversary repaints, but we don't know what's going on with them.

It actually goes up to S51 I believe.

I tried "Punish and Enslave" but it didn't work

Also worthy of noting (in my case anyway), is the lack of any size class smaller than deluxe on the database. No Battle or Micromasters?

[no-one]

Thanks, these are really cool! According to the database, there are 8 codes remaining that can be acquired(22/30), the line has at least 8 more figures to be released/teased( we have 42/50), and that the line supposedly ends this December.

Your count's slightly off if I'm understanding you correctly, there are 11 figures/figure sets whose codes are currently locked: Thundercracker, Impactor, Mirage, Barricade, Spinister, Crosshairs, Apeface, Astrotrain, Alphastrike Counterforce, Phantomstrike Squadron, and Ratchet. In addition to that, S44-S47 have no codes but do exist, we just don't know who they are....unless they're the 30th Anniversary repaints, but we don't know what's going on with them.

It actually goes up to S51 I believe.

I tried "Punish and Enslave" but it didn't work

Also worthy of noting (in my case anyway), is the lack of any size class smaller than deluxe on the database. No Battle or Micromasters?

The "teletraan1" site doesn't have spots for the BMs and MMs, but here is what's left and my guesses.

WFC-S34 (autobot) 7/19 - guessing Ratchet

Most likely unknown/unannounced BMs and/or MMs as these don't show up on the teletraan1 Cybertron map.

WFC-S44
WFC-S45
WFC-S46
WFC-S47

WFC-S48 (decepticon) 12/19 - guessing Spinister
WFC-S49 (autobot) 12/19 - guessing Crosshairs
WFC-S50 (decepticon) 12/19 - guessing Apeface
WFC-S51 (decepticon) 12/19 - guessing Astrotrain

The 35th anniversary figures are probably a different line, probably Selects.

Remember the teletraan1 won't accept codes for figures until they "unlock" (anything greyed out). Here are the dates of the pending figures according to the site the last time I checked.

WFC-S26 Alphastrike Counterforce (G2 SS & Slamdance) 7/19
WFC-S27 Phantomstrike Squadron (Skywarp) 7/19
WFC-S39 Thundercracker 10/19
WFC-S41 Barricade 10/19
WFC-S42 Impactor 10/19
WFC-S43 Mirage 10/19

Good news is that three should unlock this month.

[Rodimus Prime]

I just got Greenlight, Springer, Caliburst and Jetfire in a matter of 4 days. And I had a gift card for Amazon and I used it on Jetfire, so he cost me $50!

Hopefully there will be at least a blue repaint of Smashdown, but I think this figure would look good in a bunch of different colors.

[Nemesis Primal]

Thanks, these are really cool! According to the database, there are 8 codes remaining that can be acquired(22/30), the line has at least 8 more figures to be released/teased( we have 42/50), and that the line supposedly ends this December.

Your count's slightly off if I'm understanding you correctly, there are 11 figures/figure sets whose codes are currently locked: Thundercracker, Impactor, Mirage, Barricade, Spinister, Crosshairs, Apeface, Astrotrain, Alphastrike Counterforce, Phantomstrike Squadron, and Ratchet. In addition to that, S44-S47 have no codes but do exist, we just don't know who they are....unless they're the 30th Anniversary repaints, but we don't know what's going on with them.

It actually goes up to S51 I believe.

I tried "Punish and Enslave" but it didn't work

Also worthy of noting (in my case anyway), is the lack of any size class smaller than deluxe on the database. No Battle or Micromasters?

The "teletraan1" site doesn't have spots for the BMs and MMs, but here is what's left and my guesses.

WFC-S34 (autobot) 7/19 - guessing Ratchet

Most likely unknown/unannounced BMs and/or MMs as these don't show up on the teletraan1 Cybertron map.

WFC-S44
WFC-S45
WFC-S46
WFC-S47

WFC-S48 (decepticon) 12/19 - guessing Spinister
WFC-S49 (autobot) 12/19 - guessing Crosshairs
WFC-S50 (decepticon) 12/19 - guessing Apeface
WFC-S51 (decepticon) 12/19 - guessing Astrotrain

The 35th anniversary figures are probably a different line, probably Selects.

Remember the teletraan1 won't accept codes for figures until they "unlock" (anything greyed out). Here are the dates of the pending figures according to the site the last time I checked.

WFC-S26 Alphastrike Counterforce (G2 SS & Slamdance) 7/19
WFC-S27 Phantomstrike Squadron (Skywarp) 7/19
WFC-S39 Thundercracker 10/19
WFC-S41 Barricade 10/19
WFC-S42 Impactor 10/19
WFC-S43 Mirage 10/19

Good news is that three should unlock this month.

35th, I've been had.

I agree with everything you've got here about the dates and numbering and all that, a lot of it is what I've been saying for a while, but I'm hesitant to assume Bluestreak and them are Selects. From what we saw they didn't have Selects packaging, they just had differently decorated Siege boxes, and since the Selects packaging usually isn't all that great looking from the outside, I feel like they just wouldn't have shown any packaging if they were Selects figures, like when they displayed G2 Camo Megs.

There's also that rumored Micromaster Multipack or whatever it was called, that could play a factor, but only four Micromasters doesn't really sound like that good of a pack...

[Mindmaster]

Missed my chance on Reflector, but I did manage to snag Brunt. Guess I’ll hang onto my BBTS preorder on three Reflectors for a little longer...

[o.supreme]

WFC-S34 (autobot) 7/19 - guessing Ratchet

Most likely unknown/unannounced BMs and/or MMs as these don't show up on the teletraan1 Cybertron map.

WFC-S44
WFC-S45
WFC-S46
WFC-S47

I understand the logic behind assigning these numbers to BM's and MM's because that would round out the line more evenly, and the idea that 35th Anniversary figures *may* have different designations However.... IIRC what was shown at ToyFair were 4 figures for the 35th Anniversary Line -3 voyagers (Prime, Megs, and Soundblaster), and one deluxe Bluestreak -Could these be the 4 missing numbers?

[no-one]

Most likely unknown/unannounced BMs and/or MMs as these don't show up on the teletraan1 Cybertron map.

WFC-S44
WFC-S45
WFC-S46
WFC-S47

I understand the logic behind assigning these numbers to BM's and MM's because that would round out the line more evenly, and the idea that 35th Anniversary figures *may* have different designations However.... IIRC what was shown at ToyFair were 4 figures for the 35th Anniversary Line -3 voyagers (Prime, Megs, and Soundblaster), and one deluxe Bluestreak -Could these be the 4 missing numbers?

Could be, it's all pure speculation at this point. I also feel that there'd have been announcements of new BMs or MMs along with Astrotrain and crew.

So with the SDCC coming up, you may be on to something there. Now I'm hoping you're right I don't need any more little bots

[Stargrave]

I just got Greenlight, Springer, Caliburst and Jetfire in a matter of 4 days. And I had a gift card for Amazon and I used it on Jetfire, so he cost me $50!

Hopefully there will be at least a blue repaint of Smashdown, but I think this figure would look good in a bunch of different colors.

Yesss right on! Hey you’ve gotta share some pics or something let us know what you think of Jetfire I’m dyin’ for some Seibertronian reviews on this guy.

[TF-fan kev777]

I just got Greenlight, Springer, Caliburst and Jetfire in a matter of 4 days. And I had a gift card for Amazon and I used it on Jetfire, so he cost me $50!

Hopefully there will be at least a blue repaint of Smashdown, but I think this figure would look good in a bunch of different colors.

Yesss right on! Hey you’ve gotta share some pics or something let us know what you think of Jetfire I’m dyin’ for some Seibertronian reviews on this guy.

I'd love to help there, but I'm currently perched at my front door awaiting the Amazon truck. I've already warned the wife and kids that as soon as Amazon gets here, I'll be useless for the rest of the day.

EDIT: Squeeee!!!!! Just got here!

[Stargrave]

I just got Greenlight, Springer, Caliburst and Jetfire in a matter of 4 days. And I had a gift card for Amazon and I used it on Jetfire, so he cost me $50!

Hopefully there will be at least a blue repaint of Smashdown, but I think this figure would look good in a bunch of different colors.

Yesss right on! Hey you’ve gotta share some pics or something let us know what you think of Jetfire I’m dyin’ for some Seibertronian reviews on this guy.

I'd love to help there, but I'm currently perched at my front door awaiting the Amazon truck. I've already warned the wife and kids that as soon as Amazon gets here, I'll be useless for the rest of the day.

EDIT: Squeeee!!!!! Just got here!

Ahhh the old familiar heartwarming squeee of a TF fan who just scored cracking me up.

[AcademyofDrX]

Most likely unknown/unannounced BMs and/or MMs as these don't show up on the teletraan1 Cybertron map.

WFC-S44
WFC-S45
WFC-S46
WFC-S47

I understand the logic behind assigning these numbers to BM's and MM's because that would round out the line more evenly, and the idea that 35th Anniversary figures *may* have different designations However.... IIRC what was shown at ToyFair were 4 figures for the 35th Anniversary Line -3 voyagers (Prime, Megs, and Soundblaster), and one deluxe Bluestreak -Could these be the 4 missing numbers?

Could be, it's all pure speculation at this point. I also feel that there'd have been announcements of new BMs or MMs along with Astrotrain and crew.

So with the SDCC coming up, you may be on to something there. Now I'm hoping you're right I don't need any more little bots

I'm convinced - with zero evidence, I might add - that Battle Masters and Micromasters are over. SDCC should be for the next line, and whatever new gimmick we're going to get with that.

[Stargrave]

Most likely unknown/unannounced BMs and/or MMs as these don't show up on the teletraan1 Cybertron map.

WFC-S44
WFC-S45
WFC-S46
WFC-S47

I understand the logic behind assigning these numbers to BM's and MM's because that would round out the line more evenly, and the idea that 35th Anniversary figures *may* have different designations However.... IIRC what was shown at ToyFair were 4 figures for the 35th Anniversary Line -3 voyagers (Prime, Megs, and Soundblaster), and one deluxe Bluestreak -Could these be the 4 missing numbers?

Could be, it's all pure speculation at this point. I also feel that there'd have been announcements of new BMs or MMs along with Astrotrain and crew.

So with the SDCC coming up, you may be on to something there. Now I'm hoping you're right I don't need any more little bots

I'm convinced - with zero evidence, I might add - that Battle Masters and Micromasters are over. SDCC should be for the next line, and whatever new gimmick we're going to get with that.

If we’re to speculate and say that was the case I’d say the focus next would have to be the Autobot Targetmasters with some new beastie melee weapons.

[Stargrave]

With Apeface we can assume Snapdragon’s on the way but now I’m feeling that with branching Siege out into beast modes maybe we’ll see Horri-Bull Squeezeplay and Fangry with a lead up to Scorponok.

[o.supreme]

Again, just speculating... we know we will see the newly revealed *wave 5* of Siege at SDCC, and no doubt a few new surprises for the 2020 line, what it will be called, and it's gimmick(s). Based on the most recent fan poll however, considering that several of those characters had been released previously in the Legends Size class, I would not be surprise if we see Legends come back, but I think it's too early to say BM's and MM's are not going to be part of the next line.

[TF-fan kev777]

Again, just speculating... we know we will see the newly revealed *wave 5* of Siege at SDCC, and no doubt a few new surprises for the 2020 line, what it will be called, and it's gimmick(s). Based on the most recent fan poll however, considering that several of those characters had been released previously in the Legends Size class, I would not be surprise if we see Legends come back, but I think it's too early to say BM's and MM's are not going to be part of the next line.

I can actually see the micromasters sitting out the next line with Legends back in the mix and battle masters sticking around. This would be especially true if that rumored micromaster 10 pack ends up happening finishing off most of the teams.

[Stargrave]

That’s right I forgot about that set on it’s way! Ooo can’t wait to see that. And honestly I was open to the Micromasters but I dunno Legends...I miss ‘em. Even the Titan Master packs just felt like they offered more, and there’s so many characters you could do in Legends scale I mean it feels like half the Ark crew is MIA with no Legends class.

[no-one]

Again, just speculating... we know we will see the newly revealed *wave 5* of Siege at SDCC, and no doubt a few new surprises for the 2020 line, what it will be called, and it's gimmick(s). Based on the most recent fan poll however, considering that several of those characters had been released previously in the Legends Size class, I would not be surprise if we see Legends come back, but I think it's too early to say BM's and MM's are not going to be part of the next line.

I'm fairly certain legend class will be back and they'll also keep a $6 price point option in some form. The other obvious guess is that they'll make/remake more G1 characters. Apeface feels like a surprise to me, so now it seems very realistic they'll make some of the more obscure characters and keep their gimmicks intact. It's been nice to have just a few triplechangers and now a single headmaster.

I just hope they keep the gimmicks unobtrusive like Siege. One of primary gimmicks like weaponizers have been limited to just a few characters and all of them make sense. If we want to call the armor/weapon up feature of the leaders a gimmick, it's also been very logical as far as character choices. I have a hard time calling 5mm pegs a gimmick but will gladly accept it as the one and only gimmick outside of transforming robots.

[Cobotron]

I miss Legends class too. I just like that size for pocket fun on the run.
But all I really want is a new Cliffjumper in a mold unique to him.
Maybe a new Warpath, but I'm the only one around here who can live with the CW one.

What other minibots are left that haven't been done in the last 3 or 4 years? I'm drawing a blank ATM.

[Stargrave]

Again, just speculating... we know we will see the newly revealed *wave 5* of Siege at SDCC, and no doubt a few new surprises for the 2020 line, what it will be called, and it's gimmick(s). Based on the most recent fan poll however, considering that several of those characters had been released previously in the Legends Size class, I would not be surprise if we see Legends come back, but I think it's too early to say BM's and MM's are not going to be part of the next line.

I'm fairly certain legend class will be back and they'll also keep a $6 price point option in some form. The other obvious guess is that they'll make/remake more G1 characters. Apeface feels like a surprise to me, so now it seems very realistic they'll make some of the more obscure characters and keep their gimmicks intact. It's been nice to have just a few triplechangers and now a single headmaster.

I just hope they keep the gimmicks unobtrusive like Siege. One of primary gimmicks like weaponizers have been limited to just a few characters and all of them make sense. If we want to call the armor/weapon up feature of the leaders a gimmick, it's also been very logical as far as character choices. I have a hard time calling 5mm pegs a gimmick but will gladly accept it as the one and only gimmick outside of transforming robots.

What do you all think is Spasma a Titan Master or a Headmaster or is Apeface a Transtector? Where are they going with it I mean is it a new breed of Micromaster? Will he have the foot peg holes and be useable with older Titan Masters?

[sol magnus]

I miss Legends class too. I just like that size for pocket fun on the run.
But all I really want is a new Cliffjumper in a mold unique to him.
Maybe a new Warpath, but I'm the only one around here who can live with the CW one.

What other minibots are left that haven't been done in the last 3 or 4 years? I'm drawing a blank ATM.

Given that he's a big part of the story, I reluctantly think there should be a Bumblebee.

[no-one]

I miss Legends class too. I just like that size for pocket fun on the run.
But all I really want is a new Cliffjumper in a mold unique to him.
Maybe a new Warpath, but I'm the only one around here who can live with the CW one.

What other minibots are left that haven't been done in the last 3 or 4 years? I'm drawing a blank ATM.

YES, I could use a good Gen CliffJ that isn't a red Bee. I think the Minibots are pretty well covered. We could use some G1-y Pipes and Huffer is we're making a wishlist.

Yeah, you are literally the only one who can accept CW Warpath. The deluxe is nice, but we are way to for down the path to veer at this point.

What do you all think is Spasma a Titan Master or a Headmaster or is Apeface a Transtector? Where are they going with it I mean is it a new breed of Micromaster? Will he have the foot peg holes and be useable with older Titan Masters?

I'm pretty sure Spasma is going to be like the other Titanmasters. Hasbro tends to like backward compatibility. That can be a good and bad thing.