The Energon Pub

[Wolfman Jake]

It would still be nice to get the Legends Insecticons done as a giftset with a unifying color scheme and maybe a bit of retooling to add Titan Master compatibility into Shrapnel and Bombshell. Generations Selects, perhaps?

[Sentinel_Primal]

I'll be honest, Leader class Insecticons would genuinely interest me Although, something I'd like to see revisited was the concept of RiD Chop Shop where he was almost a swarm that combined to form his robot mode. But we definitely need the Deluxe Insecticons at some point. Actually, I feel like we need more toy only characters to be revisited, rather than just cartoon characters. Mostly because so many late 80s-early 90s characters never got anything outside comics and haven't been revisited too often outside of cons or the occassional repaint

[blackeyedprime]

Multiple reasons against them being deluxes as well though besides already having decent representations of them and siege would open them to having hollowness of arms or legs, alts not resembling an earth or cybertronian thing, scale being wrong.
I think they will turn up in siege though and just saves me from buying them and no doubt diaclone colours for selects.


Old leader class size would fit but they would definitely not be radio controlled sighs, back when toys could be inventive rather than rehashes. Just like reflector being out of scale its all a matter of which toons/scenes they were in. Deluzes are very possible for them.

https://youtu.be/Caigb6spbZc

[ZeroWolf]

Thing is you're arguing articulation, but that's arguing legends versus Deluxe which isn't very fair considering price points. You may not agree with the scale but hasbro seems to be sticking with it, so I don't think they'll be Deluxes without major accessories to allow a legend sized bot mode. Personally I'd prefer a boxset via selects freeing up retail wave space for more deserving characters.

[Nemesis Primal]

Thing is you're arguing articulation, but that's arguing legends versus Deluxe which isn't very fair considering price points. You may not agree with the scale but hasbro seems to be sticking with it, so I don't think they'll be Deluxes without major accessories to allow a legend sized bot mode. Personally I'd prefer a boxset via selects freeing up retail wave space for more deserving characters.

I think you missed my points a bit on those two: I was arguing current articulation is better than articulation when the Insecticons last came out (I just got SS KSI Boss in the mail today, a repaint of a figure from around the same time, and he has exactly as much articulation as Chop Shop with the exception of one transformation joint) and they deserve an upgrade in that regard, and I was pointing out that Insecticons can really be released at any scale they want and it would still be justified because they canonically change size.

If you'd prefer a boxset of the Prime Wars bugs, more power to you, I'm not trying to say you're wrong for wanting that, but I think that's kinda unlikely at this point.

[ZeroWolf]

The size thing hasbro probably wouldn't use as they'd just as much look at that scale guide, then that's it. Either way, I'd rather new characters that haven't seen an update in years, like the turbomasters or the predators. Although Sky Quake did see an update of sorts in the Prime show

[D-Maximal_Primal]

I'm hoping we stay away from some bugs for a bit, I more want to finish out the targetmasters, powermasters, and late G1/G2 guys and get Beast Wars before we dive back into the insecticons

[D-Maximal_Primal]

I think this makes a pretty good Target exclusive team.

I also have to say, having Redwing in hand, I feel bad for badmouthing this mold so much. It's actually really emjoyable and fun. The tetrajet itself feels really solid in hand

[Jelze Bunnycat]

Articulation: The level of articulation we're getting on this WFC figures gives them around twice as many points of articulation as a Legends figure (using Ironhide vs Chop Shop as my comparison, I could be wrong depending on the figures), so that would be a welcome improvement.

Articulation shouldn't be measured in just points, but in range as well. The type of joint should also be considered. Siege has marked a switch from ball joints to more robust universal joints with multiple points of movements for Deluxe Class (with the former more ideal for smaller figures), so while the range is the same, the upscaling would make them sturdier in the long run.

Popularity: Clearly Hasbro is trying to seed popular/recognizable characters into WFC retail along with the Cogs and the Apefaces and such, and the Insecticons are some of the only G1 Cons left that we didn't get in Siege who are recognizable to a casual-ish audience.

Don't forget that Hasbro sometimes splits up members of certain groups across multiple lines. The Decepticon Targetmasters and the Seekers are more exception than rule. We may get one in the 2nd part, but the rest we'll have to wait on.

Accessories: Because of the Legends price point, none of the Insecticons got any accessories before, save the T30 release of Shrapnel. Making them at around Refraktor's size would allow for Bombshell, for example, to have his beetle-nose gun, his actual handheld weapon, and possibly if we're lucky, a blast effect compatible cerebro-shell (although they'd probably save that for an exclusive).

Oooo, me likes that idea! I wonder how they'd pull off Shrapnel's lightning attack though.

The Size Arguement: While the cartoon size chart puts them at Legends size (which I personally don't think should be right, but that's not the point), one also has to remember that the Insecticons were canonically shown to get bigger the more energy they were able to obtain/consume. That means built-in justification for selling bigger figures of them regardless of that scale, just say they're powered up to be more threatening, or that they had more easy access to Energon while on Cybertron on the winning side of the conflict.

Not to mention we've had a Deluxe-sized Insecticon before:

Transformers Fall of Cybertron Kickback Gallery

Remolds: Depending on the remolding they're willing to do, they could easily get both an Insecticon and a Deluxe Insecticon each from each of the molds, as multiple site users have argued before.

Poor Vemon doesn't have a smaller counterpart, unless one counts BW Cicadacon/BWII DJ. I wonder which would have gotten released if they were in the plans: the Deluxes, of the standards...

[emlit]

I’m totally down with deluxe Insecticons with WFC articulation.

Well, if the bugs are too polarizing, let’s see Cybertronian alt modes of the Battlechargers.

[william-james88]

some pretty cool stuff

[Burn]

Stuff

Hey new guy, check the signature guidelines please, you're a little on the large side.

[Stargrave]

some pretty cool stuff

That’s awesome! I love seeing that versatility between the lines!

[Wolfman Jake]

Just like reflector being out of scale its all a matter of which toons/scenes they were in.

Deluxe Class is actually the correct scale for Reflector, according to the original Sunbow scale guides and character artwork. He's consistently shown to be larger than any of the Autobot minicars, Soundwave's minions, and even the Insecticons. They're just about head to head with the standard Autobot cars, a la Sideswipe and Prowl, but still shorter than the "Voyager" sized Decepticons like Soundwave himself, Starscream and co., Shockwave, and, of course, Megatron.

[ZeroWolf]

I never even thought of mixing the Cyberverse armours up like that! 5mm holes for the win!

Wonder how the Ark armour on prime connects...

[blackeyedprime]

Just like reflector being out of scale its all a matter of which toons/scenes they were in.

Deluxe Class is actually the correct scale for Reflector, according to the original Sunbow scale guides and character artwork. He's consistently shown to be larger than any of the Autobot minicars, Soundwave's minions, and even the Insecticons. They're just about head to head with the standard Autobot cars, a la Sideswipe and Prowl, but still shorter than the "Voyager" sized Decepticons like Soundwave himself, Starscream and co., Shockwave, and, of course, Megatron.

Nope, but the deluxe pretty much fits in scale with MP starscream. Otherwise he aint being used to test out a spacebridge by a voyager sized figure (totally of his own free will). most pictures have his head just above starscreams waist.

[ZeroWolf]

The scale guide is the primary resource being used here and is pretty much the be all and end all as far as scale is concerned. So scenes like this are the outlier.

[blackeyedprime]

The scale guide is the primary resource being used here and is pretty much the be all and end all as far as scale is concerned. So scenes like this are the outlier.

As long as Siege Rumble comes with a box to stand on, out of camera shot, for cartoon accuracy it's all good the G1 Tom Cruise.

[SpikeyTigertron]

I love the Legends-scale classic Insecticons. I think they're perfect, I don't know how they could be improved as Deluxes. Of course, I'm happy with figures that scale to each other like the toys and don't value cartoon fidelity as much as others.

I desperately want a new Generations Drift and/or Deadlock. I keep looking at the secondary market for the original, but the new Flame Toys Furai release should hold me over until we get a new one.

I thought legends-ex (?) Deadlock was steadily availible... at least not nearly as rare as the Windblade et all.

[Stargrave]

The scale guide is the primary resource being used here and is pretty much the be all and end all as far as scale is concerned. So scenes like this are the outlier.

As long as Siege Rumble comes with a box to stand on, out of camera shot, for cartoon accuracy it's all good the G1 Tom Cruise.

[AcademyofDrX]

I love the Legends-scale classic Insecticons. I think they're perfect, I don't know how they could be improved as Deluxes. Of course, I'm happy with figures that scale to each other like the toys and don't value cartoon fidelity as much as others.

I desperately want a new Generations Drift and/or Deadlock. I keep looking at the secondary market for the original, but the new Flame Toys Furai release should hold me over until we get a new one.

I thought legends-ex (?) Deadlock was steadily availible... at least not nearly as rare as the Windblade et all.

At a casual glance, Legends-EX Deadlock is around $150. Generations Drift is $50. Both of those are awfully expensive for a Deluxe-class figure, though I've paid $50 for that class before.

I really enjoy the Furai models; otherwise I would probably buy Generations Drift.

[Sabrblade]

I thought legends-ex (?) Deadlock was steadily availible... at least not nearly as rare as the Windblade et all.

It was... when it first came out. Fun Pub had some at about $65, and those lasted all the way up until the TCC Club store had its going-out-of-business sale in 2017, during which all of the Deadlocks saw complete liquidation. By then, other places had either gotten rid of or were likewise selling off the last of their Deadlocks too. Now there's only eBay and other secondary markets to get Deadlock from at exorbitant prices.

[Sentinel_Primal]

My local Target actually had the Rainmakers on the shelf. So now I have the Rainmakers

[Microbot]

I hope we get more news about new bots and the new line out soon

[Stargrave]

I was saying over in the Twincast thread I’m throwing in my vote to call it
Siege II: Even Siege-ier.