The Energon Pub

[blackeyedprime]

Apeface is unlikely to be a TR throwback as he doesnt have the spring gimmick TR voyagers have to make their heads look bigger (Maybe a Potp throwback as it was a mixed bag of ideas/range) or if it was, it would have been a 'large' deluxe. Just as likely one of the figures that have gone backwards in Siege or jumped forward in sieges pricing of a smaller class as a higher priced figure.

[Nemesis Primal]

Deadput, you are a gentleman and a scholar, and I can't help but feel like we might be going in a circle of making the same points on how people see the figures now, so I at least am going to just agree to disagree and move on.

I am probably one of those that is on middle ground, where i just collect whichever looks cool in my taste, regardless if they are g1 or other characters. It just so happens that in a lot of case, a very g1 style is not cool in my taste, which is why i do not have a lot of interest in MP (my wallet are grateful for that). In the case of springer, T30 version is still my favorite. I bought and played with siege springer, but in the end i sold it as it felt "too g1" for me. Same case with siege megs. That being said tho, siege is still a wonderful toyline that satisfy me a lot. I dig optimus, ironhide and hound that while based on g1, also defiate enough to make them look different. I appreciate characters like jetfire that homage both his cartoon and toy look, or the weaponizer guys, that can become upgrade kit for other figures. They also bring on some of the few g1 design that i like, like skythread and impactor. I also appreciate how they mix a bit of non g1 character like galaxy optimus, hot shot, abd barricade, even if they are just repaints. So overall, while i am not on hardcore g1 team, siege is still a big win to me.

Yup, this right here is how it is for me as well. Regardless of preferences, it seems like pretty much everyone here agrees that Siege is just spectacular, which is awesome.

Now then, what's wrong with Apeface? Sure his jet mode is kinda blocky, but other than that I have no issues with him.

[aronjlove]

Now then, what's wrong with Apeface? Sure his jet mode is kinda blocky, but other than that I have no issues with him.

He is an awesome figure on his own but next to other Siege figures I notice the lack of wrist, waist, and ankle articulation I think is sort of a selling point on the Siege line. Apeface can't hold the same poses in group photos like Refraktor, the Seekers, or even Megatron.

[Sentinel_Primal]

Now then, what's wrong with Apeface? Sure his jet mode is kinda blocky, but other than that I have no issues with him.

He is an awesome figure on his own but next to other Siege figures I notice the lack of wrist, waist, and ankle articulation I think is sort of a selling point on the Siege line. Apeface can't hold the same poses in group photos like Refraktor, the Seekers, or even Megatron.

He has ankle articulation, and many of the Siege Decepticons don't have wrist swivels. Waist swivel is a bit more frustrating

[william-james88]

And now it broke, great. This toy can **** right off.

[Cobotron]

DAAAAANG!

[aronjlove]

And now it broke, great. This toy can **** right off.

Edit: That freaking sucks dude. I am so afraid of that happening to mine. I wish there was a way to reinforce the peg...

[TF-fan kev777]

That sucks, big time. It is asinine that they thought it was a good idea to use clear plastic for that piece.

[aronjlove]

That sucks, big time. It is asinine that they thought it was a good idea to use clear plastic for that piece.

Especially because the painted piece ends up being a different shade than the wings themselves.

[Sabrblade]

We were warned about that breakage, and now it has struck again.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

My Siege Flywheels enjoyed a good family day with his pap and Brother (kudos to those who get the reference in the 3rd pic). Mold is pretty good, I like both him and Slamdance. He's kind of a sleeper from the line to me

[Deadput]

The news about Apeface is like a bus crash, it's horrific but you just can't look away.

What a disaster but then again feels a little expected with Siege wave 5 being a shoehorn wave that only exists because Siege ended up being a very popular line, Apeface being a hold over or rushed design kinda fits.

Astrotrain was an Earthrise figure bumped up for Siege, Crosshairs was a "lazy" head swap recolor of Ironhide probably using an alternate head sculpt that might of not been used otherwise like other unused head swaps, Spinister is probably either a hold over from the Hall of Fame plans if he was to win or/and he was also originally part of Earthrise but bumped up to Siege, for the latter idea I only think that's a possibility because Wheeljack is part of the first wave of Earthrise and he would of been Spinsiter's match from the Hall of Fame stuff.

These are just theories of course besides Astrotrain being originally an Earthrise figure, I think that was confirmed by one of the Hasbro people at some point and the reason why I suggest that Spinister might of also been originally part of the line.

[Skritz]

I'll have to be careful with my Apeface. He's key to completing the TR Decepticon Headmasters (while waiting for Scorponok and Snapdragon). Its the shield peg that snaps, right? That's a shame but I can live with it if the figure manage to stay in one piece.

[william-james88]

The news about Apeface is like a bus crash, it's horrific but you just can't look away.

What a disaster but then again feels a little expected with Siege wave 5 being a shoehorn wave that only exists because Siege ended up being a very popular line, Apeface being a hold over or rushed design kinda fits.

Astrotrain was an Earthrise figure bumped up for Siege, Crosshairs was a "lazy" head swap recolor of Ironhide probably using an alternate head sculpt that might of not been used otherwise like other unused head swaps, Spinister is probably either a hold over from the Hall of Fame plans if he was to win or/and he was also originally part of Earthrise but bumped up to Siege, for the latter idea I only think that's a possibility because Wheeljack is part of the first wave of Earthrise and he would of been Spinsiter's match from the Hall of Fame stuff.

These are just theories of course besides Astrotrain being originally an Earthrise figure, I think that was confirmed by one of the Hasbro people at some point and the reason why I suggest that Spinister might of also been originally part of the line.

Hasbro only said that astrotrain would be rereleased in earthrise, AFAIK they did not confirm anything more than that regarding his origins and initially intended release.

[Jelze Bunnycat]

We were warned about that breakage, and now it has struck again.

If I may, I wonder what is more at fault here: the tailfin being clear plastic and more likely to break under excessive force, or the "white" superdense nylon it interacts with, providing too much of a grip on that piece with its flex.

[william-james88]

We were warned about that breakage, and now it has struck again.

If I may, I wonder what is more at fault here: the tailfin being clear plastic and more likely to break under excessive force, or the "white" superdense nylon it interacts with, providing too much of a grip on that piece with its flex.

It's a combination of both. Though are we sure it's superdense nylon?

[Jelze Bunnycat]

We were warned about that breakage, and now it has struck again.

If I may, I wonder what is more at fault here: the tailfin being clear plastic and more likely to break under excessive force, or the "white" superdense nylon it interacts with, providing too much of a grip on that piece with its flex.

It's a combination of both. Though are we sure it's superdense nylon?

We can wait for specifics of the Japanese release: they usually specify not only what's in the package, but what materials are used as well. Note that nylon or PA is the second most used next to the hard ABS.

[chuckdawg1999]

I honestly don’t understand the “ugh, G1 design” sentiment I keep seeing.

The only thing you need to understand is this:

Sabrina-Online #379: "You must be this geeky to ride the ride" courtesy of Sabrina-Online.com

I oughta just download and use it as a signature at this point.

To err is human, to complain is fanboy.

[AcademyofDrX]

Hasbro only said that astrotrain would be rereleased in earthrise, AFAIK they did not confirm anything more than that regarding his origins and initially intended release.

Wasn't the explanation for Astrotrain that they moved him up to fill the last, unplanned Siege wave? At any rate, it's obvious that he was designed for Earthrise, as the tender features the A.I.R. Lock system of that line, which no other Siege figure has--with the exception of Omega Supreme.

[Deadput]

Hasbro only said that astrotrain would be rereleased in earthrise, AFAIK they did not confirm anything more than that regarding his origins and initially intended release.

I'm pretty sure I read otherwise but can not remember the exact source (read it on Tfw2005), it wasn't an interview or something I think but just a general statement made at probably a convention or something.

But yeah like the other guy said even if it's not confirmed by words, it is absolutely confirmed just by looking at the figure itself, it's such a shoehorn that doesn't fit with the rest of Siege at all.

[william-james88]

Hasbro only said that astrotrain would be rereleased in earthrise, AFAIK they did not confirm anything more than that regarding his origins and initially intended release.

But yeah like the other guy said even if it's not confirmed by words, it is absolutely confirmed just by looking at the figure itself, it's such a shoehorn that doesn't fit with the rest of Siege at all.

How doesn't it fit exactly? It feels a lot like Shockwave to me. A voyager with extra accessories to add to the alt mode which can then be used in other modes. The whole trilogy was planned by the same people at the same time, and its all g1 based anyways. Whoever comes out first feels rather dubious then and the different yearly lines are just so that retailers know to stock new toys. Sideswipe and Flywheels could have come out in Earthrise just as much in Siege so the debate, if one is even worth our time, goes beyond simply Astrotrain.

A question for you guys, I see some people hating on Mirage, anyone know why? I thought he was pretty solid.

[SiegeFan]

Hasbro only said that astrotrain would be rereleased in earthrise, AFAIK they did not confirm anything more than that regarding his origins and initially intended release.

Wasn't the explanation for Astrotrain that they moved him up to fill the last, unplanned Siege wave? At any rate, it's obvious that he was designed for Earthrise, as the tender features the A.I.R. Lock system of that line, which no other Siege figure has--with the exception of Omega Supreme.

Oooh, that's interesting, cheers!

[Sentinel_Primal]

I stopped at a Meijer and they ended up having two Jetfire's for $50. I'm somewhat tempted but seeing as I don't really have a connection to G1 Jetfire, and he's a big figure, I'm not sure I'll get him

[Wolfman Jake]

A question for you guys, I see some people hating on Mirage, anyone know why? I thought he was pretty solid.

I think most of the Mirage detractors don't like the faux robot mode chest that just hangs out on the back of the vehicle mode, as well as the arms forming a huge engine block crammed under the spoiler. I'm with you, though, and I love this new Mirage. He's a fantastic representation of the original cartoon character model, has some clever stuff in his transformation, makes use of negative space in the mold to help the transformation and overall silhouette, and the clear blue plastic parts look really neat. Mirage is definitely one of my favorites from the Siege line.

[Skritz]

So what is this weird thing I hear that Apeface isn't made of plastic but some biodegradable stuff?