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News Credits: 340 · by **Stargrave** » Mon Sep 09, 2019 11:55 pm

Powertrain, Highjump, and Red Heat are lacking Autobrands. What the hell time to commit or get off the cyberpotty now come on troops.

News Credits: 340 · by **Stargrave** » Mon Sep 09, 2019 11:57 pm

Shockwave stands in solidarity as the only Siege figure to not have red on him. I’m telling you Siege is like 70% red.

by **Stormshot_Prime** » Tue Sep 10, 2019 12:04 am

Anyone else notice that bizarre double sided Headmaster? Or am I just seeing things?

by **ZeldaTheSwordsman** » Tue Sep 10, 2019 12:07 am

Stargrave wrote:Shockwave stands in solidarity as the only Siege figure to not have red on him. I’m telling you Siege is like 70% red.

What about Holo Mirage?

Stormshot_Prime wrote:Anyone else notice that bizarre double sided Headmaster? Or am I just seeing things?

You're not. But it's actually to be expected with Spasma!

Part of the Horrorcons' design schtick was that their Headmaster partners formed both the robot head and the beast head. However, the need to be interchangeable with other Titan Masters means that SIEGE Spasma can't fit the full gorilla muzzle on his back, so he only has the optic band and plugs in to complete the gorilla head (much like Revolver does for TR Six Shot's wolf head, only even more important). This also keeps the gorilla head from being undersized.

News Credits: 340 · by **Stargrave** » Tue Sep 10, 2019 12:56 am

Dude good call! I don’t have holo Mirage yet.

He’s the only redless force that can withstand Shockwave’s redless onslaught.

by **emlit** » Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:16 am

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:As for the chunky jet mode... Since they were going for resemblance to the G1 design, there was no helping it on account of the twonk who designed the original giving him oblong beast limbs. A larger wingspan would probably help the looks, but price point strictures are a thing.,,

As far as I'm concerned regarding Springer: SIEGE Rules, Thrilling 30 drools!

IDK, those alt modes for Thrilling 30 Springer are really great. And I even have a G1 Springer, so Siege gets nostalgia points.

My take on Apeface is why those blocky shoulders? All it needed was some angled intakes like the original. It’s sad for me, too, as Apeface’s spaceship design was one of my G1 favorites.

by **ZeldaTheSwordsman** » Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:30 am

I think T30 Springer's helicopter mode is a mess, and my copy is rather uncooperative when it comes to things lining up right in altmode.

Why those blocky gorilla shoulders on Apeface? To make room for the joints. And honestly, given where the original's intakes were and the way SIEGE Apeface's gorilla arms transform, your question should be "Why those blocky gorilla forearms?"

by **frogbat** » Tue Sep 10, 2019 6:37 am

still to receive my springer. Looking forward to him cos I definitely prefer the g1 sequel look over the thrilling 30s (I appreciate sandstorm more). Of this next batch, think I've ordered the lot except for the Micromaster which wasn't available but am looking forward to getting him too.

Apeface looks ok - not exceptional, but a good attempt. the plastic will probably look better in hand.

News Credits: 1350 · by **ZeroWolf** » Tue Sep 10, 2019 7:09 am

I much prefer the G1 reimagined look of T30 Springer, far more dynamic and fits the original theme of classics but of course different design teams have different visions and at least people have official options depending on their own tastes.

MyFigureCollection.net collection · by **Emerje** » Tue Sep 10, 2019 7:33 am

Siege Springer is a much more complex figure than he looks in photos. The conversion from car to helicopter isn't nearly as straightforward as it appears.

Emerje

by **emlit** » Tue Sep 10, 2019 7:48 am

ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Why those blocky gorilla shoulders on Apeface? To make room for the joints. And honestly, given where the original's intakes were and the way SIEGE Apeface's gorilla arms transform, your question should be "Why those blocky gorilla forearms?"

No, my question is still “Why those blocky shoulders?” The joints could still be easily accommodated after adding a slope reminiscent of the G1 model. That would help the winged toaster aesthetic immensely, IMO.

News Credits: 19 · by **blackeyedprime** » Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:38 am

Think I prefer the thrilling 30 Springer, Sieges copters a bit off and not sure about car mode. Robot mode, legs could have done with being longer so it looks less clunky. Yet to pick one up so I'll see if I still feel the same when I have him.

by **ZeldaTheSwordsman** » Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:55 am

emlit wrote:
ZeldaTheSwordsman wrote:Why those blocky gorilla shoulders on Apeface? To make room for the joints. And honestly, given where the original's intakes were and the way SIEGE Apeface's gorilla arms transform, your question should be "Why those blocky gorilla forearms?"

No, my question is still “Why those blocky shoulders?” The joints could still be easily accommodated after adding a slope reminiscent of the G1 model. That would help the winged toaster aesthetic immensely, IMO.

Take a proper look at SIEGE Apeface:

And now look at the original:

Notice the color difference of that spot? On SIEGE Apeface, that spot is made from the gorilla forearms, not the back of the upper arms. So it's the gorilla forearms that would need the slope.
Adding a slope onto the shoulder itself that projects past that point wouldn't work, because it would block the arm's outward movement.

News Credits: 340 · by **Stargrave** » Tue Sep 10, 2019 8:58 am

I love the smell of a Springer comparison in the morning...

I love living in a world where we have Springers to compare. :lol:

Honestly I feel like they both are so strong that it’s comparing apples to apples. That’s a super tough call for me. Like with the new Impactors- honestly if I could afford it I would get both because I like the different head designs. You know what I mean? 30 Springer is totally IDW to me whereas Siege is like old school movie Springer.

by **ZeldaTheSwordsman** » Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:03 am

T30 Springer's multipart windshield can go to hell.

News Credits: 11 · by **joevill** » Tue Sep 10, 2019 9:23 am

These both look pretty badass!

by **CircuitBreaker** » Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:03 am

Oh my god I finally understand Apeface's headmaster now. Using the back of the legs for the robot face is genius, I thought it was a panel hidden somewhere! :HEADHURTS:

I might buy him just for the ingenuity of that alone.

News Credits: 340 · by **Stargrave** » Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:18 am

Apeface’s rifle looks sooo rad.

I’m getting a 30 Blitzwing shoulder vibe from that ape mode shoulder arrangement but there’s always compromises with triple changers.

Overall, mmf, can not wait for this next wave.

by **gothsaurus** » Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:20 am

I always put the rifle in the fist in jet mode to cover up the hand. I'll definitely try that on the new one.

News Credits: 101 · by **-Kanrabat-** » Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:36 am

gothsaurus wrote:I always put the rifle in the fist in jet mode to cover up the hand. I'll definitely try that on the new one.

Me too. Did that since I was a child with my original.

by **gothsaurus** » Tue Sep 10, 2019 10:49 am

I've always meant to get a second gun to put in the other fist, but sheesh. They're $50 on ebay. >:oP

News Credits: 12 · by **Sentinel_Primal** » Tue Sep 10, 2019 11:07 am

On the subject of Springer, if I manage to find another one in store, I'll probably pick him up. I like the bot mode and car mode, but the copter mode is way too blocky. I know that it's G1 accurate, but if we're honest that's not always a compliment. T30 Springer is still my personal favorite design

On the subject of Apeface, I'm looking forward to giving him the TR weapon drone thing and turning him into a Targetmaster and Headmaster :lol:

May even give him the Apeface Titanmaster just for a different look sometimes. Can't wait to see what Hasbro manages to give us for Snapdragon :-D

News Credits: 19 · by **blackeyedprime** » Tue Sep 10, 2019 11:52 am

Doesnt look to be anything that pops up to make apefaces robot head look bigger like on the TR figures, not that its needed, but hoping figure size remains comparable.