The Energon Pub

[william-james88]

I'm here for Siege Prime. I had the Classics figure but the vehicle update meant I couldn't see it as G1. The Siege vehicle mode isn't pure either, but the bot accuracy makes up for that. And maybe I'm in the minority but I'm not worried about the weathering.

I'm perfectly happy with CW Magnus so I'm going to pass on that. $50 is a lot for an incremental change on a figure that's only 3 years old. RiD was after my time, though, so I don't have the nostalgia angle.

We're not expecting Legends class in Siege, right? Might have to wait until next year for a good Cliffjumper?

No legends class planned for seige, instead its the micromaster 2 packs.

I jus wanted to comment on what you wrote in bold. I disagree about it being an incremental change, it is instead a totally different interpretation of the transformation, fiction and homage. CW Magnus is more comparable to the MP in the sense that its about converting from one mode the next and the cab beign integrated into the transformation rather than transforming into a bot itself. Sure CW magnus has that extra IDW bit of a tiny white guy but thats more of a bonus and not integral to the transformation from car carrier to bot.

This Magnus here is a completely new take in the generations line, something we have not seen in Magnus in 20 years where the cab does become its own white prime with the trailer becoming armour for it. And since I buy ots to experience their transformations and the little tricks from designers, this is a sure buy for me.

[Cyberpath]

I'll get Optimus Prime, of course. Will just have to paint the crotch myself. And if the wear-effects can be removed, and easily, all the better.

Kind of tempted to finally get an Ultra Magnus with a "White Convoy" inside; never had or wanted one before, but it's cool (and surprising) that it's a totally different mold than Prime.

However, it looks a little cheap that the windshields and grill are the same piece of bare translucent plastic. Don't you think? A big blue T on his torso.

Still thinking about Cog and Sideswipe.. btw, Hasbro has been really cheap with guns lately.. (The Constructicons, Autobot Headmasters, Brawl..) and now Sideswipe, that has to alternate a single weapon as his shoulder cannon and hand-gun.

[Cobotron]

I think it looks Blue-T-ful.

[ZeroWolf]

I actually like the blue on inner Magnus chest. It ties the deco together.

[Skritz]

It's not perfect but it does make him stand out from Optimus a bit more.

[Cyberpath]

I think it looks Blue-T-ful.

I might do it myself, with some silver paint or a chrome pen, whichever works better.

It's not perfect but it does make him stand out from Optimus a bit more.

I think the molds are different enough that a little silver paint on the grill and some definition on the windshield frames wouldn't hurt.

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[Burn]

Good ol reliable HLJ. Just threw everything on order, then if they manage to turn up locally I'll cancel them otherwise I'll be importing.

Sad part is, even with freight from Japan, they still work out roughly the same price as if I were to buy them locally.

[Emerje]

Optimus also has a clear blue grill in truck mode, I guess that's their idea of Cybertronian.

Just noticed something from the recent photos. At first I thought he had an unsightly hollow space on the back of his legs, and on a figure line that we were told would feel a little more premium.



Then I noticed on the inside of his legs he has gray panels that are supposed to swing around and cover that space.



Now why haven't we seen the hover mode Warden told us about yet?

I was also trying to figure out why white Magnus had so many hinges in his chest when they didn't seem to be used in bot or truck mode. Turns out they're used flatten his torso a slight big more and probably sink the grill in to make room for the armor without it making his chest stick out more. You can see inside the chest windows that the top half the smaller torso is pulled in and tilted slightly to make room. They're really going above and beyond trying to make good looking figures.



He also has a rotating crotch to give Ultra Magnus his belt. There's a feature.



Emerje

[ZeroWolf]

Good eye there Emerje I spotted the back of Primes legs but not thd panel to hide them. We really shouldn't be surprised at mistransformations now should we .

[Autobot N]

Y'know, despite not caring much for Siege Prime at first, every picture I see of him makes me want him even more.

[Bounti76]

I wonder why TT's Punch-Counterpunch comes with Solus Prime, when Hasbro's comes with Prima. Solus came with Repugnus.

[Skritz]

a rotating crotch

...those are words I never expected to read.

[CircuitBreaker]

I have to say, as much as I'm bummed that there's a new magnus with the evolution gimmick after I already have CW Magnus+PE White Prime, but this toy's look and colours make him a more than worthwhile replacement. CW Magnus was just TOO IDW and as much as I liked the toy I really was never completely happy with the look. I'll just have to paint him as Diaclone Magnus one day to honour my 1 character, one toy rule.

That being said, I want prime just to scale with magnus, and sideswipe looks like a mini masterpiece! Hoping his brother Sunstreaker is in the pipeline. Hasbro really put some effort into this wave and hopefully that will continue on through the line.

[Wolfman Jake]

What's up with the weathering specifically on the thighs of some of these figures in Siege? What kind of combat gets your thighs dirty but your shins pristine? Sideswipe has much more believable wear with it being mostly on his shins.

Also, from where on earth do Hasbro and Takara Tomy get the gray shin paint apps for Optimus Prime? They're not from the original toy or the original cartoon, but they're a staple of almost every "G1" Optimus Prime update for over 12 years now. Even MP-10 sports the gray shin vents.

[Skritz]

What's up with the weathering specifically on the thighs of some of these figures in Siege? What kind of combat gets your thighs dirty but your shins pristine? Sideswipe has much more believable wear with it being mostly on his shins.

Also, from where on earth do Hasbro and Takara Tomy get the gray shin paint apps for Optimus Prime? They're not from the original toy or the original cartoon, but they're a staple of almost every "G1" Optimus Prime update for over 12 years now. Even MP-10 sports the gray shin vents.

My guess is that vent, in general, aren't exactly known to be painted.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

I must be in the minority in that I really like the battle damaged deco. It really helps set the decos apart, and I think it looks good.

Prime keeps convincing me I really don't need him, those new shots make him seem even less appealing

Still on board with the battlemasters and micromasters. I will buy all of them. I love the little dudes, and they take up a lot less space.

Deluxes are still killing it. I'm pretty happy with Sideswipe, seeing as how it took so long for me to finally get my 2nd favorite bot in generations form. Cog keeps looking even better!

Magnus has actually started to warm to me, and it's hard because I have my perfect Magnus in CW, but this one is so different and trying for something so much separated from my CW Magnus.

[Wolfman Jake]

See, I like G1, I grew up on the G1 toon, but that doesn't mean I want the same characters and designs being rehashed every few years.
When Classics first started, it was about updating the old designs, not just in articulation, but also style. And IMO classics Prime is still the go to figure to fit this ideology.
If I wanted a new 'G1' Prime, I'd go for an MP figure, not this new Siege figure.

The Classics 2006 mold of Optimus Prime was pretty good for its time, but it hasn't aged as well compared to the majority of the rest of the Classics/Universe 2008/Generations line. It's undersized for a voyager class toy, so it doesn't scale as well as it should with other characters in the series. The truck kibble hanging off the arms is pretty atrocious, especially if you want to put the figure in any kind of a dynamic pose. Even though there are many options for the mold out there: Classics, Henkei, AoE Evolution, Cloud, Platinum Edition, etc., there's always something a little off with any deco, and you're going to have to mix and match parts to get a really good, cohesive, accurate looking Optimus Prime.

[Wolfman Jake]

My guess is that vent, in general, aren't exactly known to be painted.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. The vents on the shins aren't supposed to be painted, from what I can see of the original toy and cartoon, but they almost always are, particularly by Hasbro, but even by Takara too. It's a weird "accepted" detail that kind of came out of nowhere and is based on nothing from the original source material.

[bacem]

Yeah, i am still icky about the battle damage deco. Yeah, they are easy to remove, but first i want to be sure they are paint on a plastic, not paint on top of another paint, otherwise i might risk taking off the paint that makes the figure looks good.

[fenrir72]

My guess is that vent, in general, aren't exactly known to be painted.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. The vents on the shins aren't supposed to be painted, from what I can see of the original toy and cartoon, but they almost always are, particularly by Hasbro, but even by Takara too. It's a weird "accepted" detail that kind of came out of nowhere and is based on nothing from the original source material.

Creative preference of the designers? Starscream too never had those breast turbines (Studio Ox I believe started the trend) yet here we have them.

[william-james88]

I wonder why TT's Punch-Counterpunch comes with Solus Prime, when Hasbro's comes with Prima. Solus came with Blast Off.

Megatronus came with blast off.
But yeah, Prima comes with Punch, i will make the edit later

[Skritz]

My guess is that vent, in general, aren't exactly known to be painted.

I'm not sure what you're trying to say here. The vents on the shins aren't supposed to be painted, from what I can see of the original toy and cartoon, but they almost always are, particularly by Hasbro, but even by Takara too. It's a weird "accepted" detail that kind of came out of nowhere and is based on nothing from the original source material.

If those are meant to be vents you see on a truck it would make sense for them to be unpainted grey. Which, in turn, translate to painted parts on a figure.

[Sabrblade]

Also, from where on earth do Hasbro and Takara Tomy get the gray shin paint apps for Optimus Prime? They're not from the original toy or the original cartoon, but they're a staple of almost every "G1" Optimus Prime update for over 12 years now. Even MP-10 sports the gray shin vents.

MP-1 seems to be the originator of the gray vents, with lots of artists and designers just following in suit from MP-1's example with the vents being gray.

[CircuitBreaker]

I wanna say the thigh paint is reminiscent of grease lubing up thier mechanical parts for transformation, and prime’s leg transformation is known for his thighs collapsing into his lower leg. Warring robots have no time to clean off excess fluids and replace paint chipped from constant transformation.

As for the shins, it’s a vent, so I guess just to break up the swathe of blue?

[Sentinel_Primal]

Random thought: What if Magnus has a Matrix chamber? I know it's very unlikely to happen given they severed all ties to Prime Wars, but I think it'd be a nice touch to have a non-MP Magnus be able to carry the Matrix like in the movie. Plus, he looks to be the right size for it. Oh well, a guy can dream