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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Skritz » Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:29 pm

I'm well aware of how good and beloved T30 Springer is, I'm just pointing out that people seem to be missing 'the point' on Siege Springer: this is cartoon/comics/toy Springer, while T30 Springer was IDW Wrecker series Springer. Siege Springer was never even intended to 'improve' upon that design anyway.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby gothsaurus » Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:37 pm

Well spoken, Skritz. As a fan that's been on board since G1, there's a HUGE difference to me between something looking like the G1 toys and cartoon characters I grew up with... and the (often awesome) modern IDW comic interpretations. Often they are like different characters entirely in design... and personality.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Skritz » Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:44 pm

gothsaurus wrote:Well spoken, Skritz. As a fan that's been on board since G1, there's a HUGE difference to me between something looking like the G1 toys and cartoon characters I grew up with... and the (often awesome) modern IDW comic interpretations. Often they are like different characters entirely in design... and personality.


That's because they are. IDW diverged so much from the core Generation 1 stuff that I personally hold it to be its own universe and continuity entirely (because it is!). However I don't run the Transformers wiki, so for now the IDW version of these characters remain a sub-incarnation of their original G1 selves. Which itself, confusingly, can be several incarnations. :HEADHURTS:

At this point we should probably just drop calling them the G1 version and call them the Sunbow/Marvel/IDW incarnations and treat them as distinct.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby gothsaurus » Mon Feb 18, 2019 3:52 pm

I like the notion of separating out Sunbow G1 and IDW G1. It is very frustrating for blokes like me who have been in it for the long haul.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby o.supreme » Mon Feb 18, 2019 4:16 pm

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Well the separation has actually been around for a lot longer. There has always been divergent paths from the original series, as to whether fans interpreted a toy to be based on the personality of the Original animated series, or the Marvel Comic. Dreamwave's own original series universe, and IDW's only added to the *splintering* of things.

It's often why when fans complain that there is *too much* homaging to the original series, I understand, but do not sympathize, because unless something purposefully homages the original animated series (my preferred continuity), then the *overuse* complaint is lost on me.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Skritz » Mon Feb 18, 2019 4:24 pm

For what it's worth, I hold a clear distinction between 'G1 inspired' and 'G1 derived/remaking'. The former include the likes of Armada, Cyberverse and the Aligned continuity while the latter is Dreamwave, IDW and the Machinima shows. Hope this distinction is clear and make sense. The first draws inspiration from but never intend to remake the original story and characters while the latter tries to be a remake/sequel/whatever which might eventually diverge drastically.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby gothsaurus » Mon Feb 18, 2019 4:54 pm

Some really good points by the both of you. It all makes me really grateful to see Siege coming. There is a consistency we haven't seen in a long time. Seems like so many of the classics bots would homage the cartoon (Hound), be a fresh modern version (Mirage, Sandstorm), or homage IDW (Magnus, Springer). I've loved all those toys, but they don't necessarily all match on a shelf. I think a lot of us have been left wanting a spot-on G1 version of a lot of characters. Glad we are finally getting some to fill those spots.

And on the thought of the comics, it's cool to see some of those rare characters get nods. There was some amazing characterization (and art) through the years. I have a real fondness for that stuff, especially thinking of the Geoff Senior and UK comics. Bring on the Impactor!
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Skritz » Mon Feb 18, 2019 5:15 pm

Personally as long as it's CHUG-ey enough I'm good. My collection is still growing since I started off during Titans Return after a long absence from toy collecting.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby gothsaurus » Mon Feb 18, 2019 5:26 pm

Well, welcome back, Skritz!
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Skritz » Mon Feb 18, 2019 5:31 pm

gothsaurus wrote:Well, welcome back, Skritz!


My wallet really wish I hadn't done that. :HEADHURTS:
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby -Kanrabat- » Mon Feb 18, 2019 5:59 pm

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carytheone wrote:I actually prefer Sandstorm for that mold. I'm going to wait until we get some better pics and a review before I decide if I want to "upgrade" or not.


Me too and that's why I sold my T30 Springer.
I may be tempted by the Siege Springer, but only on clearance.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Wireless_Phantom » Mon Feb 18, 2019 6:26 pm

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-Kanrabat- wrote:
carytheone wrote:I actually prefer Sandstorm for that mold. I'm going to wait until we get some better pics and a review before I decide if I want to "upgrade" or not.


Me too and that's why I sold my T30 Springer.
I may be tempted by the Siege Springer, but only on clearance.


Personally I've justified buying Springer by placing my Thrilling 30 Springer on my Wreckers/anyone else who doesn't really fit on my other Generations shelves shelf.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby RodimusConvoy13 » Mon Feb 18, 2019 6:29 pm

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-Kanrabat- wrote:
carytheone wrote:I actually prefer Sandstorm for that mold. I'm going to wait until we get some better pics and a review before I decide if I want to "upgrade" or not.


Me too and that's why I sold my T30 Springer.
I may be tempted by the Siege Springer, but only on clearance.


Personally I've justified buying Springer by placing my Thrilling 30 Springer on my Wreckers/anyone else who doesn't really fit on my other Generations shelves shelf.


You know, you don’t have to justify why you want/will buy Siege Springer. If you like it you like it. Why should it matter you already have another Springer? It’s no one’s business but your own.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Skritz » Mon Feb 18, 2019 6:31 pm

Personally I'll just get Siege Springer because its going to be easier than hunting down one of the most beloved figure of T30, one which the fanbase absolutely adore and that no one would sell unless they need the cash or to make room. :lol:

T30 Sandstorm I might hunt down someday just because I still really want that mold and these two looking completely different would be quite neat visually. Unless we get a WFC trilogy Sandstorm somehow.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Flashwave » Mon Feb 18, 2019 6:48 pm

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I'm getti g Siege Springer because it looks like fun. That, and I am hoping the head stays on better when you transform it. (I never can get my T30 Springer's noggin out of the way of the chest nosecone, not sure whT I am doung wrong there, but the clearence is nil.

As to which one is taking the primary spot on my shelf, time will tell. I dont like how (accurately) small the cockpit is on Siege Springer, but I do like the vehicle modes. The car mode moreso than the T30, even though the latter is actually more car like. I suspect Siege Springer will look better with TR Broadside, Top Spin, and Twin Twist, but lesser so with T30 Sandstorm, Generatiins Whirl, and Roadbuster. But even if he doesnt overtake the Wreckers spot, I'm doubting I will be dissappointed in Siege, and I may play with him more if he's NOT in with a lsrge grouo like that.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby D-Maximal_Primal » Mon Feb 18, 2019 7:09 pm

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OK, to catch up on the reveals:

I love the axe weapon with Red Alert, that is awesome.

Impactor and Mirage didn't really look any better in person, which is disappointing Impactor wise.

Springer, eh, he looks his part, but I will gladly stick with my T30 one.

Thundercracker looks good. He'll be the only retail voyager of the line I get, and one of 2 voyagers I'll get total along with G2 Megatron.

Leader Prime looks really good! Super excited to have him in the line! He'll look really nice with my other bots.

Jetfire is still eh, and a pass, like Springer. Thrilling 30 well and truly won both for me.

Omega looks great! Much more impressive than Predaking was
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby steals_your_goats » Mon Feb 18, 2019 7:45 pm

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I must be the only person who prefers siege Springer. T30 is too lanky and neither alt mode really looks that good. The stupid shape of The chest piece really ruins both modes. The car looks fine I guess but none of the panels really line up that well, and the helicopter has always looked weak to me. Sandstorm wears the mold do much better. I already sold my Springer in anticipation of this one.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby D-Maximal_Primal » Mon Feb 18, 2019 7:48 pm

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steals_your_goats wrote:I must be the only person who prefers siege Springer. T30 is too lanky and neither alt mode really looks that good. The stupid shape of The chest piece really ruins both modes. The car looks fine I guess but none of the panels really line up that well, and the helicopter has always looked weak to me. Sandstorm wears the mold do much better. I already sold my Springer in anticipation of this one.

To me, the most well known Springer (Nick Roche's Springer) uses that design, the posing is there, and his alt modes have some actual transformation between them. He looks really good and he looks like a jock, which is how I picture Springer. He is one of the best figures we have ever gotten.

Also forgot to mention Smashdown. That is a really sweet looking Battlemaster!
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby steals_your_goats » Mon Feb 18, 2019 7:57 pm

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D-Maximal_Primal wrote:
steals_your_goats wrote:I must be the only person who prefers siege Springer. T30 is too lanky and neither alt mode really looks that good. The stupid shape of The chest piece really ruins both modes. The car looks fine I guess but none of the panels really line up that well, and the helicopter has always looked weak to me. Sandstorm wears the mold do much better. I already sold my Springer in anticipation of this one.

To me, the most well known Springer (Nick Roche's Springer) uses that design, the posing is there, and his alt modes have some actual transformation between them. He looks really good and he looks like a jock, which is how I picture Springer. He is one of the best figures we have ever gotten.

Also forgot to mention Smashdown. That is a really sweet looking Battlemaster!

To me Springer is a warrior not a jock so he should be bulky not lanky. There really isn't that much transformation between alt modes in the T30 one. You move the shoulders, crumple the arms and straighten the legs then you're done. It's no different than this new one. As for poseability, the siege one has all the articulation the old one has plus waist and ankles. T30 is a good figure but I think he's incredibly over rated.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Sentinel_Primal » Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:01 pm

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steals_your_goats wrote:I must be the only person who prefers siege Springer. T30 is too lanky and neither alt mode really looks that good. The stupid shape of The chest piece really ruins both modes. The car looks fine I guess but none of the panels really line up that well, and the helicopter has always looked weak to me. Sandstorm wears the mold do much better. I already sold my Springer in anticipation of this one.

I like both equally. Love the robot modes for both, car modes are good, but helicopters are a little iffy. But, at the end of the day I'll probably pick up Siege's Springer for a Cybertronian form and use T30's as an Earth form Springer.

I do have one complaint about Siege in general though: It's very hit or miss. Like, most figures they knock out of the park. Prime, Hound, and Magnus are all great figures, but some feel a little off target such as Prowl's legs and too smooth/flat alt mode, Soundwave's "Space Barge" or Impactor's legs being too hollow in spots or his head sculpt being a bit off in my opinion.

Most of the figures are incredible works of G1 passion however and while I don't exactly enjoy G1 like most fans, Siege has definitely grown on me with use of altmodes that look retro-futuristic enough that they could be Cybertronian
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby D-Maximal_Primal » Mon Feb 18, 2019 8:05 pm

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steals_your_goats wrote:
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:
steals_your_goats wrote:I must be the only person who prefers siege Springer. T30 is too lanky and neither alt mode really looks that good. The stupid shape of The chest piece really ruins both modes. The car looks fine I guess but none of the panels really line up that well, and the helicopter has always looked weak to me. Sandstorm wears the mold do much better. I already sold my Springer in anticipation of this one.

To me, the most well known Springer (Nick Roche's Springer) uses that design, the posing is there, and his alt modes have some actual transformation between them. He looks really good and he looks like a jock, which is how I picture Springer. He is one of the best figures we have ever gotten.

Also forgot to mention Smashdown. That is a really sweet looking Battlemaster!

To me Springer is a warrior not a jock so he should be bulky not lanky. There really isn't that much transformation between alt modes in the T30 one. You move the shoulders, crumple the arms and straighten the legs then you're done. It's no different than this new one. As for poseability, the siege one has all the articulation the old one has plus waist and ankles. T30 is a good figure but I think he's incredibly over rated.

neither has a very involved transformation, but the new Siege one looks far more simple and boxy, and I'm not a fan of that cartoon aesthetic he ends up with. And the Siege one has about 4 moving parts between chopper and car.

I don't think he looks bad, and I am all for you guys enjoying this new one though. He seems pretty solid
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Wireless_Phantom » Mon Feb 18, 2019 9:32 pm

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Skritz wrote:Personally I'll just get Siege Springer because its going to be easier than hunting down one of the most beloved figure of T30, one which the fanbase absolutely adore and that no one would sell unless they need the cash or to make room. :lol:

T30 Sandstorm I might hunt down someday just because I still really want that mold and these two looking completely different would be quite neat visually. Unless we get a WFC trilogy Sandstorm somehow.


Mate it's like 20-30$ on eBay
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Wolfman Jake » Mon Feb 18, 2019 9:39 pm

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It's really neat that all of these figures featured at the show are up for preorder now, even if they won't be available until the third quarter of the year. However, where are the preorders for Reflector/Refraktor and Brunt? They should be coming out well before Mirage or Impactor, originally slated to be part of Red Alert's Deluxe Class Wave, but they are no where to be seen as far as online ordering goes. What gives?

Also, there is a suspicious lack of Micromasters on the horizon. We have no idea what is coming beyond Wave 2 with the Rescue Patrol and the Soundwave Spy Patrol. There have to be more Micromasters coming (besides Countdown with Omega Supreme). Why leave them out of this reveal? We got something for every other price point. They can't be that exciting that Hasbro would hold them back for later or that unimportant that Hasbro would just forget about them altogether for Toyfair.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby SpikeyTigertron » Mon Feb 18, 2019 9:48 pm

Wolfman Jake wrote:It's really neat that all of these figures featured at the show are up for preorder now, even if they won't be available until the third quarter of the year. However, where are the preorders for Reflector/Refraktor and Brunt? They should be coming out well before Mirage or Impactor, originally slated to be part of Red Alert's Deluxe Class Wave, but they are no where to be seen as far as online ordering goes. What gives?

Also, there is a suspicious lack of Micromasters on the horizon. We have no idea what is coming beyond Wave 2 with the Rescue Patrol and the Soundwave Spy Patrol. There have to be more Micromasters coming (besides Countdown with Omega Supreme). Why leave them out of this reveal? We got something for every other price point. They can't be that exciting that Hasbro would hold them back for later or that unimportant that Hasbro would just forget about them altogether for Toyfair.


What would be cool is if they move on to the paired/combining micromasters. Like the moon buggy/space shuttle/tanker truck
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby SpikeyTigertron » Mon Feb 18, 2019 9:51 pm

Alternatively micro masters with the vehicle play sets would be cool. Maybe I’m mid remembering. But didn’t the hot rod patrol get mentioned? Or am I confused with street patrol?
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