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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby o.supreme » Tue Mar 05, 2019 11:48 am

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While I personally do not plan to get Barricade because it doesn't fit into my collection I think it looks good. I just think it's the reverse engineering aspect that is throwing some fans off. Taking a figure that initially was not part of the *best years* of the original series, and making him appear to fit in (Yes I know of the 1990 Micromaster, but that doesn't really apply here...)

Fans (even myself) are very fickle about this...I accepted Sunstorm (or any number of seekers), because they all basically have the same concept. I was not into Drift initially, but came to accept him over time, still, there hasn't been a super *original series* looking Drift, so I'm not sure how that would be accepted. I enjoy the Torchbearers, of course because they are a combiner team ;) . But Windblade, I have never been a fan of. I guess that's one reason to be thankful for Cyberverse. They can keep churning out Windblade figures in that line, and *hopefully* keep her out of the Generations series. Still, I find it hard to believe Hasbro wont attempt another Windblade in the next two years, especially if the aesthetic of the remaining parts of this trilogy are different enough, but one can hope.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Tue Mar 05, 2019 11:52 am

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I've mentioned before, the disconnect in the lack of Windblade redesigns. Do they think she wouldn't be recognisable to Fans unless she looked identical in every line?
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Re: Transformers Artist Guido Guidi Confirms his Involvement in Siege Barricade's Design

Postby Nathaniel Prime » Tue Mar 05, 2019 11:56 am

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william-james88 wrote:So, anyone else happy they can now have a G1 style Barricade to add to your collection that isn't exclusive/expensive?


Well you can keep calling it "G1 style Barricade" and I can keep calling it a lazy crap repaint to make more money out of an existing mold rather than provide a more unique and logical figure. I just can't see why people think this is a quality release worthy of spending actual money on. It's the very definition of Hasbro being frickin' lazy and saving money on a new mold by just reusing another with very little effort put into it. And so was Guido Guidi's (yay i got his name right this time) design. The guy's clearly done great work in the past but this whole thing is unimaginative garbage. Damn thing looks too dorky to be a Barricade. Fine for Prowl who's supposed to appear to be the boring good cop but a Barricade is meant to be the bad cop and one who'd rough you up plenty and this figure is far too bland and boring to give even a hint of that.

Really is an absolute total missed opportunity.


SIEGE Barricade is the result of a thought experiment. "What if Barricade had been in the original 1984/85 Transformers toy line-up?" What would his design have been? What mold would have been used? This is the answer. He's based heavily on an existing Diaclone mold. In this case, the one that became Prowl and Bluestreak and was eventually retooled into Smokescreen. That's what Guido Guidi was up to years ago with his fan art rendition, and it's the same conclusion Hasbro came to as well. Imagine if in 1985, Hasbro added a few more Decepticons based on Diaclone molds. Barricade could have been the result of taking the Smokescreen retool, repainting it, and adding a light bar to make him a police car again. The difference with the SIEGE version is that there isn't going to be any retooling to the alt mode between Prowl/Bluestreak and Smokescreen/Barricade. Only the head sculpts and weapon load outs are different. The light bars are modular pieces that can be included or excluded, just like the shoulder cannons or other weapons. If you don't "get it," that's fine. But other people do, and that doesn't make their opinion less valid than yours. Liking something is subjective. I can appreciate that you don't like the mold in general, though, in which case yes, it would be disappointing that the same mold you don't like as Prowl is also now Barricade.

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That should make it easier to retool him into a proper Earth-mode jet. :-?


But that would make his jet mode rather unsightly with the legs underneath IMO, unless they do something different with his legs.

But that is a good idea for a decent Earth G1 Starscream ;)
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby william-james88 » Tue Mar 05, 2019 11:58 am

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:I've mentioned before, the disconnect in the lack of Windblade redesigns. Do they think she wouldn't be recognisable to Fans unless she looked identical in every line?

Its been like that for all new designs though. before her there was Lockdown and in all his incarnaions until the film they always made him look around the same (around the same amount of varition as Windblade from each of her designs).

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:01 pm

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I think that is part of the problem though. It's like they have no faith in these new characters being able to assimilate into the series proper, among the original designs.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby william-james88 » Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:18 pm

o.supreme wrote:While I personally do not plan to get Barricade because it doesn't fit into my collection I think it looks good. I just think it's the reverse engineering aspect that is throwing some fans off. Taking a figure that initially was not part of the *best years* of the original series, and making him appear to fit in


Oh man, reminds me of this

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:26 pm

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Has there ever been a Really Good looking Copter Bot??
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby william-james88 » Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:32 pm

AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Has there ever been a Really Good looking Copter Bot??

Yes, you can read all about my number 1 pick (and others) here: https://www.seibertron.com/transformers ... oys/34612/
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:48 pm

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william-james88 wrote:
AllNewSuperRobot wrote:Has there ever been a Really Good looking Copter Bot??

Yes, you can read all about my number 1 pick (and others) here: https://www.seibertron.com/transformers ... oys/34612/



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Wow, you had that covered too. :APPLAUSE: As an aside, having just finished the first few arcs of MTMTE, via the Partwork, Whirl (both in design and character) might be one of the worst characters I've seen in IDWverse so far. Including Tailgate and Swerve, this series is really not impressing me in the slightest.


Back on topic, Yes, Skyhammer is a thing of beauty ;)^
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Riley Hoffman » Tue Mar 05, 2019 1:35 pm

I want there to be a masterpiece Prowl repaint to be this g1 styled barricade. I think that would be nice
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Albatross250 » Tue Mar 05, 2019 1:37 pm

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I'd still hope if Spinister appears on the line, then we might have a chance of getting Armada Cyclonus.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Tue Mar 05, 2019 1:51 pm

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Or Cyclonus Armada ;)

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Skritz » Tue Mar 05, 2019 2:07 pm

Shellformer Starscream just make him easier to paint to make more seekers! :lol:
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Tue Mar 05, 2019 2:11 pm

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Skritz wrote:Shellformer Starscream just make him easier to paint to make more seekers! :lol:



The possibilities... :lol:

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Skritz » Tue Mar 05, 2019 2:12 pm

Also I guess the pyramid being separate mean it would be easier to mod it and add new kibble to make Coneheads. Not that I have any clue if coneheads had different wings in their tetrajet modes: perhaps one could headcanon it as some kind of earth addition?

Does the mold even have space for a cone head? :-?
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Tue Mar 05, 2019 2:15 pm

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Based on Thrust, I did posit that Cybertronian Coneheads could be some Tetrajet-Osprey hybrid (akin to the VTOL jets on Transmetal Megatron). To differentiate them from the default Seekers
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Tue Mar 05, 2019 2:28 pm

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JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:I'll just leave this here...

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That looks nice, but something about the altmode looks..off, in comparison to the SIEGE Tetrajets? Also Dirge is 7/10 in Intelligence?? :lol:
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Skritz » Tue Mar 05, 2019 2:30 pm

To be fair, Coneheads weren't designed as such in toy form. Their iconic and distinct head design is one born of the Sunbow animation models, based off some kibble you can pop up on the toy.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Tue Mar 05, 2019 2:35 pm

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All the more reason they should make a more unique Tetrajet design. Perhaps even more pointed, like the original Tetrajet designs from Sunbow

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby o.supreme » Tue Mar 05, 2019 2:38 pm

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o.supreme wrote:While I personally do not plan to get Barricade because it doesn't fit into my collection I think it looks good. I just think it's the reverse engineering aspect that is throwing some fans off. Taking a figure that initially was not part of the *best years* of the original series, and making him appear to fit in


Oh man, reminds me of this

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Is that an actual toy someone made, or a digibash? That's kind of cool 8-)

Also, slightly OT...if you could retroactively alter your best 5 Copterbots, would SS Blackout have a place in the top five now?
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby william-james88 » Tue Mar 05, 2019 2:43 pm

o.supreme wrote:Also, slightly OT...if you could retroactively alter your best 5 Copterbots, would SS Blackout have a place in the top five now?

Honestly, I dont really know. He isn't as obvious as the others, in that there are quite a few cons to go with the pros. And I havent tansformed him much since I first got him, that might be indicative of something.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby MagicDeath » Tue Mar 05, 2019 3:35 pm

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This line is heavily based on nostalgia. A significant part of the ‘84 and ‘85 lines was redecos. The new barricade, as a what-if of sorts, plays on that. It also saves Hasbro money to make more toys. Frankly, it doesn’t matter what the original intent was, as both are happening. Personally, Barricade may end up being represented by this mold for me and Prowl will be the redeco I don’t get.
Not trying to start arguments; I just thought maybe some people hadn’t thought of it this way yet.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Skritz » Tue Mar 05, 2019 3:40 pm

MagicDeath wrote:This line is heavily based on nostalgia. A significant part of the ‘84 and ‘85 lines was redecos. The new barricade, as a what-if of sorts, plays on that. It also saves Hasbro money to make more toys. Frankly, it doesn’t matter what the original intent was, as both are happening. Personally, Barricade may end up being represented by this mold for me and Prowl will be the redeco I don’t get.
Not trying to start arguments; I just thought maybe some people hadn’t thought of it this way yet.
Edit: I didn’t realize there was another page and this wasn’t being discussed anymore. Feel free to ignore.


However, cross-factional redeco did not exist early in G1. Autobots were redecoed into other Autobots and Decepticon into other Decepticons, mainly because outside of Stunticons and Aerialbots there was generally a soft rule on what each faction had for altmodes.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby AllNewSuperRobot » Tue Mar 05, 2019 3:44 pm

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Reminds me of a line I read once on Pre-determination, concerning Megatron. It said "It's hard to be the good guy when you're a gun"
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