I wasn't expecting this topic to go so deep, this is awesome. Okay, so (sorry this is long):
Deadput wrote:An Evergreen Barricade would pop up in a you know an Evergreen line, Siege isn't an Evergreen line, the Evergreen design doesn't fit the Siege Aesthetic, you would still be disappointed because they would of changed it.
I'm honestly not sure if I agree or disagree with this statement. On one hand, that's absolutely right, many of the Evergreen designs are really just the Cyberverse designs, which kinda makes it the "Evergreen line", but at the same time, a bunch of them are based on already existing CHUG figures, like TR Windblade and a better proportioned version of the old Generations Wheeljack, so Evergreen does kinda fit in Generations? I dunno, it's a weird point, but I lean towards agreeing with you. I still think a possibly simplified version of the Evergreen design would work in WfC though.
Deadput wrote:The head does look like a G1-vide Barricade, he has the gold face, forehead crest and black helmet, it just so happens to share a look with one of the "Datsun Brothers".
...this might be embarrassing, but where exactly did the gold face come from? I can't see any gold on his face in the movies, but it's on the toys, does it just not come across well on camera? Also I think he should have either a visor (like both the Evergreen design and the G1 Micromaster), a mouthplate (like the Evergreen and TLK designs), both, or honestly just a different face shape. If the face was more gaunt and looked like it had a neck as opposed to just being cartoon Smokescreen, I think it would look better. It wouldn't be EXACTLY what I want, but it would look better.
Deadput wrote:Barricade also didn't even officially use guns until TLK (In Dotm his gun was just a standard Protoform weapon it wasn't made with him in mind) and the only guns he even had was a dinky pistol and a wrist gun, only melee weapons he's ever used are his hand blades from 2007 and then a Baton and knuckle dusters in TLK.
I associate Barricade with beating up people with his fists more then I do with intimidating weaponry.
Both his TLK guns look more threatening and high-caliber than the Siege figure's wimpy laser needles, which is kinda what I meant, but I will agree I associate him more with melee combat as well, specifically with either his knuckledusters, arm/fist tazers, or clawed hands depending on the design. I also kinda want them to canonize the fanmode car roof riot shield from the TLK toy, but I doubt that would happen anytime soon given the number of accessories we've been seeing per figure. I guess I get the intimidation aspect specifically from what his weaponry his, given he's a cop and is using what are usually tools of peace as weapons of war, and not so much the size/lethality of his arsenal.
Deadput wrote:This figure didn't have to be a Prowl mold reuse but it was anyways to homage an Artist representation and a figure idea that some people wanted as well as the fact that Prowl was the inspiration for Barricade so it was either going to be a repaint/remold of Prowl or of Red Alert.
Why make his own mold when you could just use Prowl's from the very same line?
My issues aren't with the why the figure exists, as I appreciate the canonizing of art/concept art like that and I'm honestly hoping that Siege Springer gets used for a WfC Deadlock as per his other work, I just don't like how it works out for this character with that specific mold. I do see that there are people who are happy about this design, so I'm happy for them, just not happy overall.
Deadput wrote:There isn't even a guarantee that Smokescreen is even going to come out we just know that there could be one, from what we know Bluestreak is an exclusive or a figure from some other line in some way so where does that leave Smokescreen's spot?
Plus how do we know that this head wasn't made for Barricade in mind with Smokescreen being thought up afterwards as the repaint?
I would say that since the WfC trilogy isn't supposed to be so separated by gimmicks between the segments that it is safe to assume mold reuse can and will occur across the three WfC sublines, like CW Aerialbot tooling getting used in PotP, and therefore I would expect Smokescreen to show up in the later lines. That way they would be getting their money's worth out of the mold without overloading Siege with Datsuns.
Also Bluestreak specifics will depend on if Hasbro considers those figures part of Siege proper, or a separate thing like Selects.
Deadput wrote:Also I would say that Siege Barricade resembles the Evergreen/TLK design in ways besides the door wings but with colors more inspired by the 2007 guy which I will say is probably the most memorable version of the character.
Could you elaborate on what similarities you're seeing? I'm not seeing more than what I said, but I don't want to just discount the point without understanding your point of view.
Deadput wrote:Like I don't think he would of been as popular of a character if the TLK version showed up first over the 2007 one.
Counterpoint, I liked 2007 Barricade mostly for his personality (which was limited, but he did HAVE one compared to, say, Brawl), his weapon, and the concept of him, but not necessarily the design. If he started out with that design PLUS everything else, he easily would have been my favorite Movie Con right from the start.
on Starscream is NOT the G1 version? I SWEAR that is the Bayverse con symbol.
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