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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Fires_Of_Inferno » Mon Mar 04, 2019 8:55 pm

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They had better do thundercracker and skywarp next for these molds. I care not for the coneheads, acidstorm, or slipstream.

But this, holy damn I'm definitely HAVING this thing!
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

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Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:They had better do thundercracker and skywarp next for these molds. I care not for the coneheads, acidstorm, or slipstream.

But this, holy damn I'm definitely HAVING this thing!


Thundercracker is Wave 3 with Springer, Skywarp is an exclusive. Red Wing is rumored for the Selects range.

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Fires_Of_Inferno » Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:20 pm

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JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Skywarp is an exclusive.



WHY?

Exclusive to what?

Don't tell me I have to go to a f :michaelbay: :michaelbay: :michaelbay: :michaelbay: :michaelbay: g convention or something to get one!
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby JelZe GoldRabbit » Mon Mar 04, 2019 9:59 pm

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Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Skywarp is an exclusive.



WHY?

Exclusive to what?

Don't tell me I have to go to a f :michaelbay: :michaelbay: :michaelbay: :michaelbay: :michaelbay: g convention or something to get one!


If Greenlight is anything to go by, to Amazon. There's another set with Slamdance and a redeco of Sideswipe that goes with it.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Rodimus Prime » Mon Mar 04, 2019 10:05 pm

Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:
JelZe GoldRabbit wrote:Skywarp is an exclusive.



WHY?

Exclusive to what?

Don't tell me I have to go to a f :michaelbay: :michaelbay: :michaelbay: :michaelbay: :michaelbay: g convention or something to get one!
Probably going to be an exclusive to Amazon like Blast Off or P/CP was...?
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby william-james88 » Mon Mar 04, 2019 10:56 pm

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Wolfman Jake wrote:their Transformers section of the toy aisles was completely and utterly empty. Not one single Transformer from any line, of any kind, was on the pegs or the shelf below. There was literally NOTHING for Transformers there.

Exact same thing today. They only had Botbots. That was all, nothing mainline. They had a single pack of Micromaster jets 2 weeks ago, and that's been it


Meanwhile at my Walmart (check the lower shelves):

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Deadput wrote:Your stretching it dude

Eh, I believe that I'm most likely over-exaggerating, I'm just annoyed that both of the Barricades this year are apparently rubbish when I was really looking forward to finally getting my hands on a good version of the character.

We just got the best version ever of the character last year with MPM Barricade. Thats why I really dont care at this point. We've been given the elixir of the gods, everything else by comparison will taste like piss.

Deadput wrote:hell that Club figure is just a straight repaint of TFP Prowl with no new head sculpt.


There's obviously no way of telling but I can only imagine that if this Barricade toy was made as exclusive as that previous Barricade toy, we wouldnt be having any of this discussion. Instead it would only be "oh ****, how do I secure a preorder!!!". Or hell, if Hasbro was as lazy as everyone says they are and simply rereleased the club barricade people would be overjoyed at the idea of obtaining something deemed to have a higher value.

But instead we get an actual siege barricade that is available to everyone at a low price and now everyone can have a say. Yay? Who would have thought that the price for forgoing elitism was more whining?
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby SpikeyTigertron » Mon Mar 04, 2019 11:18 pm

william-james88 wrote:
D-Maximal_Primal wrote:
Wolfman Jake wrote:their Transformers section of the toy aisles was completely and utterly empty. Not one single Transformer from any line, of any kind, was on the pegs or the shelf below. There was literally NOTHING for Transformers there.

Exact same thing today. They only had Botbots. That was all, nothing mainline. They had a single pack of Micromaster jets 2 weeks ago, and that's been it


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Deadput wrote:Your stretching it dude

Eh, I believe that I'm most likely over-exaggerating, I'm just annoyed that both of the Barricades this year are apparently rubbish when I was really looking forward to finally getting my hands on a good version of the character.

We just got the best version ever of the character last year with MPM Barricade. Thats why I really dont care at this point. We've been given the elixir of the gods, everything else by comparison will taste like piss.

Deadput wrote:hell that Club figure is just a straight repaint of TFP Prowl with no new head sculpt.


There's obviously no way of telling but I can only imagine that if this Barricade toy was made as exclusive as that previous Barricade toy, we wouldnt be having any of this discussion. Instead it would only be "oh ****, how do I secure a preorder!!!". Or hell, if Hasbro was as lazy as everyone says they are and simply rereleased the club barricade people would be overjoyed at the idea of obtaining something deemed to have a higher value.

But instead we get an actual siege barricade that is available to everyone at a low price and now everyone can have a say. Yay? Am I to take it that the price for forgoing elitism just the advent of more bitching and moaning?



I still don't see what everyone's looking for in a baricade that isn't currently, or soon to be, availible. If they made the Studio Series one bigger to allow for better articulation... ppl would cry about scale. If you really want the *best* barricade go hunt down the old Human Alliance one. The Masterpiece one is darn good... but again... it's got it's own scale going on.


I think the siege one will work out fine once we seen the actual sculpt and not a digital representation. Alternatively I think a little paintwork on the paneling inside the cowl along the jaw line would make a *big* difference. Or do the black Goatee like the referenced art.


Are collectors/fans god-forbid suffering from fatigue/burn out? Do we need (not that we'll ever get) a new Beast Wars type shift to shake things up?
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby SpikeyTigertron » Mon Mar 04, 2019 11:19 pm

On a side note... it's nice to see a Walmart actually stocked with something. I couldn't even spot a "transformers section" in my two local ones....
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Fires_Of_Inferno » Mon Mar 04, 2019 11:30 pm

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I believe I may have discovered something.


The use of Smokescreen as a base for this (essentially) G1 Barricade seemed like a right fit to me, and I couldn't put my finger on why. After some thinking I realized it was because I've seen it before, as fan art! And the similarities are a bit too close to be a coincidence in my mind. What do you guys think? Am I nuts? I mean there IS a lot of fanart out there. This art was posted in 2012 by the way.

Here's a link to the original post.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby william-james88 » Mon Mar 04, 2019 11:43 pm

Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:I believe I may have discovered something.


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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby SpikeyTigertron » Mon Mar 04, 2019 11:48 pm

Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:I believe I may have discovered something.


The use of Smokescreen as a base for this (essentially) G1 Barricade seemed like a right fit to me, and I couldn't put my finger on why. After some thinking I realized it was because I've seen it before, as fan art! And the similarities are a bit too close to be a coincidence in my mind. What do you guys think? Am I nuts? I mean there IS a lot of fanart out there. This art was posted in 2012 by the way.

Here's a link to the original post.
https://www.deviantart.com/guidoguidi/art/80-Retro-style-G1-Barricade-black-version-280192563

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is it wrong I kind of want to see that teal and hot pink barricade recolor?
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Postby SpikeyTigertron » Mon Mar 04, 2019 11:49 pm

I would also be perfectly okay seeing an MP Smokescreen w/ light bar recolor
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Fires_Of_Inferno » Mon Mar 04, 2019 11:50 pm

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william-james88 wrote:
Fires_Of_Inferno wrote:I believe I may have discovered something.


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Oh...

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Deadput » Mon Mar 04, 2019 11:57 pm

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Can I just say I really like the Gold face they gave Barricade?

It makes him stand out amongst the waves and waves of generic silver face Transformers. Not that the silver faces are bad and if there was to be a default color for faces I'm glad it's silver but I'm glad we have some variety.


SpikeyTigertron wrote:
is it wrong I kind of want to see that teal and hot pink barricade recolor?


It's just the "Marvel comic" type lighting, the colors are meant to be Black and Purple.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Nemesis Primal » Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:02 am

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william-james88 wrote:We just got the best version ever of the character last year with MPM Barricade. Thats why I really dont care at this point. We've been given the elixir of the gods, everything else by comparison will taste like piss.

SpikeyTigertron wrote:I still don't see what everyone's looking for in a baricade that isn't currently, or soon to be, availible. If they made the Studio Series one bigger to allow for better articulation... ppl would cry about scale. If you really want the *best* barricade go hunt down the old Human Alliance one. The Masterpiece one is darn good... but again... it's got it's own scale going on.


I think the siege one will work out fine once we seen the actual sculpt and not a digital representation. Alternatively I think a little paintwork on the paneling inside the cowl along the jaw line would make a *big* difference. Or do the black Goatee like the referenced art.


Are collectors/fans god-forbid suffering from fatigue/burn out? Do we need (not that we'll ever get) a new Beast Wars type shift to shake things up?

I want the Evergreen design for Barricade as a figure. The TLK design it's based off of is good, but the figure had QC and clear plastic issues and I like the more streamlined Evergreen design better overall, especially the head design. Riot gear Barricade is something I didn't know I wanted until it existed, and now I love it. If this figure absolutely HAD to be a Prowl repaint, then I wanted him to have a head that actually looks like Barricade and suitably intimidating weaponry, instead of an Emo Smokescreen complete with his shoulder needle guns. The color scheme is great, and I love the purple windows and tires, but he doesn't resemble Barricade physically in any way other than having a hood chest and police tats. I was willing to settle for SS Movie 1 Barry because I didn't think we'd get another good Barricade anytime soon, let alone the one I wanted, and I was expecting Siege Barry to be disappointing, but apparently SS Barry has issues too, so I'm just disappointed on all fronts.

Also that fatigue you mentioned has been discussed multiple times at this point every time Hasbro just makes more of the same G1, and my broke college student budget can't justify Masterpieces even if I did want to suddenly start over with a new scale that doesn't work with retail stuff.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

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Well, I stopped by one of my more regular Walmarts on my way home from work tonight and, guess what? They had a Transformer! One. Just one. It was Studio Series Dropkick. Nothing else at all. Great going, Walmart! Way to stay on top of things.

As a stark contrast, have a look at this vintage Transformers G1 toy advertisement from Walmart. Yeah, let's try to rekindle some of that love for the brand 35 years later, eh Walmart?
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Deadput » Tue Mar 05, 2019 12:49 am

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Nemesis Primal wrote:
I want the Evergreen design for Barricade as a figure. The TLK design it's based off of is good, but the figure had QC and clear plastic issues and I like the more streamlined Evergreen design better overall, especially the head design. Riot gear Barricade is something I didn't know I wanted until it existed, and now I love it. If this figure absolutely HAD to be a Prowl repaint, then I wanted him to have a head that actually looks like Barricade and suitably intimidating weaponry, instead of an Emo Smokescreen complete with his shoulder needle guns. The color scheme is great, and I love the purple windows and tires, but he doesn't resemble Barricade physically in any way other than having a hood chest and police tats. I was willing to settle for SS Movie 1 Barry because I didn't think we'd get another good Barricade anytime soon, let alone the one I wanted, and I was expecting Siege Barry to be disappointing, but apparently SS Barry has issues too, so I'm just disappointed on all fronts.

Also that fatigue you mentioned has been discussed multiple times at this point every time Hasbro just makes more of the same G1, and my broke college student budget can't justify Masterpieces even if I did want to suddenly start over with a new scale that doesn't work with retail stuff.


An Evergreen Barricade would pop up in a you know an Evergreen line, Siege isn't an Evergreen line, the Evergreen design doesn't fit the Siege Aesthetic, you would still be disappointed because they would of changed it.

The head does look like a G1-vide Barricade, he has the gold face, forehead crest and black helmet, it just so happens to share a look with one of the "Datsun Brothers".

Barricade also didn't even officially use guns until TLK (In Dotm his gun was just a standard Protoform weapon it wasn't made with him in mind) and the only guns he even had was a dinky pistol and a wrist gun, only melee weapons he's ever used are his hand blades from 2007 and then a Baton and knuckle dusters in TLK.

I associate Barricade with beating up people with his fists more then I do with intimidating weaponry.

This figure didn't have to be a Prowl mold reuse but it was anyways to homage an Artist representation and a figure idea that some people wanted as well as the fact that Prowl was the inspiration for Barricade so it was either going to be a repaint/remold of Prowl or of Red Alert.

Why make his own mold when you could just use Prowl's from the very same line?

There isn't even a guarantee that Smokescreen is even going to come out we just know that there could be one, from what we know Bluestreak is an exclusive or a figure from some other line in some way so where does that leave Smokescreen's spot?

Plus how do we know that this head wasn't made for Barricade in mind with Smokescreen being thought up afterwards as the repaint?

Also I would say that Siege Barricade resembles the Evergreen/TLK design in ways besides the door wings but with colors more inspired by the 2007 guy which I will say is probably the most memorable version of the character.

Like I don't think he would of been as popular of a character if the TLK version showed up first over the 2007 one.

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Fires_Of_Inferno » Tue Mar 05, 2019 1:17 am

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So, every time I see the picture of the Barricade toy, the more I start liking it. I already had a bias opinion to liking this figure, but now I'm liking it more.
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Postby Ultra Markus » Tue Mar 05, 2019 1:26 am

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Wolfman Jake wrote:Well, I stopped by one of my more regular Walmarts on my way home from work tonight and, guess what? They had a Transformer! One. Just one. It was Studio Series Dropkick. Nothing else at all. Great going, Walmart! Way to stay on top of things.

As a stark contrast, have a look at this vintage Transformers G1 toy advertisement from Walmart. Yeah, let's try to rekindle some of that love for the brand 35 years later, eh Walmart?

that happens to me too where i live so i just stopped actively searching at stores
and just order online
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Postby Emerje » Tue Mar 05, 2019 1:48 am

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Wolfman Jake wrote:As a stark contrast, have a look at this vintage Transformers G1 toy advertisement from Walmart. Yeah, let's try to rekindle some of that love for the brand 35 years later, eh Walmart?

I forget Walmart existed back then, we didn't get our first stores until some 10 years after that commercial came out.

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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Nemesis Primal » Tue Mar 05, 2019 2:11 am

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I wasn't expecting this topic to go so deep, this is awesome. Okay, so (sorry this is long):
Deadput wrote:An Evergreen Barricade would pop up in a you know an Evergreen line, Siege isn't an Evergreen line, the Evergreen design doesn't fit the Siege Aesthetic, you would still be disappointed because they would of changed it.

I'm honestly not sure if I agree or disagree with this statement. On one hand, that's absolutely right, many of the Evergreen designs are really just the Cyberverse designs, which kinda makes it the "Evergreen line", but at the same time, a bunch of them are based on already existing CHUG figures, like TR Windblade and a better proportioned version of the old Generations Wheeljack, so Evergreen does kinda fit in Generations? I dunno, it's a weird point, but I lean towards agreeing with you. I still think a possibly simplified version of the Evergreen design would work in WfC though.

Deadput wrote:The head does look like a G1-vide Barricade, he has the gold face, forehead crest and black helmet, it just so happens to share a look with one of the "Datsun Brothers".

...this might be embarrassing, but where exactly did the gold face come from? I can't see any gold on his face in the movies, but it's on the toys, does it just not come across well on camera? Also I think he should have either a visor (like both the Evergreen design and the G1 Micromaster), a mouthplate (like the Evergreen and TLK designs), both, or honestly just a different face shape. If the face was more gaunt and looked like it had a neck as opposed to just being cartoon Smokescreen, I think it would look better. It wouldn't be EXACTLY what I want, but it would look better.

Deadput wrote:Barricade also didn't even officially use guns until TLK (In Dotm his gun was just a standard Protoform weapon it wasn't made with him in mind) and the only guns he even had was a dinky pistol and a wrist gun, only melee weapons he's ever used are his hand blades from 2007 and then a Baton and knuckle dusters in TLK.

I associate Barricade with beating up people with his fists more then I do with intimidating weaponry.

Both his TLK guns look more threatening and high-caliber than the Siege figure's wimpy laser needles, which is kinda what I meant, but I will agree I associate him more with melee combat as well, specifically with either his knuckledusters, arm/fist tazers, or clawed hands depending on the design. I also kinda want them to canonize the fanmode car roof riot shield from the TLK toy, but I doubt that would happen anytime soon given the number of accessories we've been seeing per figure. I guess I get the intimidation aspect specifically from what his weaponry his, given he's a cop and is using what are usually tools of peace as weapons of war, and not so much the size/lethality of his arsenal.

Deadput wrote:This figure didn't have to be a Prowl mold reuse but it was anyways to homage an Artist representation and a figure idea that some people wanted as well as the fact that Prowl was the inspiration for Barricade so it was either going to be a repaint/remold of Prowl or of Red Alert.

Why make his own mold when you could just use Prowl's from the very same line?

My issues aren't with the why the figure exists, as I appreciate the canonizing of art/concept art like that and I'm honestly hoping that Siege Springer gets used for a WfC Deadlock as per his other work, I just don't like how it works out for this character with that specific mold. I do see that there are people who are happy about this design, so I'm happy for them, just not happy overall.

Deadput wrote:There isn't even a guarantee that Smokescreen is even going to come out we just know that there could be one, from what we know Bluestreak is an exclusive or a figure from some other line in some way so where does that leave Smokescreen's spot?

Plus how do we know that this head wasn't made for Barricade in mind with Smokescreen being thought up afterwards as the repaint?

I would say that since the WfC trilogy isn't supposed to be so separated by gimmicks between the segments that it is safe to assume mold reuse can and will occur across the three WfC sublines, like CW Aerialbot tooling getting used in PotP, and therefore I would expect Smokescreen to show up in the later lines. That way they would be getting their money's worth out of the mold without overloading Siege with Datsuns.

Also Bluestreak specifics will depend on if Hasbro considers those figures part of Siege proper, or a separate thing like Selects.

Deadput wrote:Also I would say that Siege Barricade resembles the Evergreen/TLK design in ways besides the door wings but with colors more inspired by the 2007 guy which I will say is probably the most memorable version of the character.

Could you elaborate on what similarities you're seeing? I'm not seeing more than what I said, but I don't want to just discount the point without understanding your point of view.

Deadput wrote:Like I don't think he would of been as popular of a character if the TLK version showed up first over the 2007 one.

Counterpoint, I liked 2007 Barricade mostly for his personality (which was limited, but he did HAVE one compared to, say, Brawl), his weapon, and the concept of him, but not necessarily the design. If he started out with that design PLUS everything else, he easily would have been my favorite Movie Con right from the start.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby Carnivius_Prime » Tue Mar 05, 2019 2:49 am

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I've read all this but still yet to see a compelling reason why a modified (to look ever so slightly 'cybertronian') version of the TLK/Evergreen design wouldn't have been a better toy and better value for money than boring mold re-use Emo (as said above) Smokescreen/Prowl. This Siege figure really is pathetic. Heck I don't even care for it as Prowl/Smokescreen (I've never really been fond of their designs) so to be Barricade just seems a total waste of a potentially great Decepticon character homage to the popular movie character. It doesn't look intimidating. It doesn't look cool. All it appears to be is an Autobot trying to wear cool clothes without the personality or menacing attitude to pull it off.

That Starscream just looks worse everytime I see it.

Any pics of Springer stood next to any currently available figures for a size comparison? I was bit disappointed when he was confirmed a voyager but I want to see if he scales ok anyways.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

Postby SpikeyTigertron » Tue Mar 05, 2019 3:29 am

Though, with the introduction of Barricade, I'm curious if we'd get any other "surprises" It'd be interesting to introduce Dreadwing, Skyquake, or Knock Out. I'm actually surprised we haven't gotten any more Knock Outs since Prime....

With Springer introduced, do you think we'll get a "smaller" (in scale) Arcee or Rod to go with him? Not sure I'm ready for another Wheelie or Kup.
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Re: Transformers War for Cybertron: Siege Discussion Thread

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While I do like TLK Barricade... I do think it's completely impractical from a transformation perspective. Almost *none* of the pannels line up with the realistic curves of the car. It's the same issue TLK Prime had. Again... I liked his design... but it lead to a lot of "shell-former"

I suppose a "middle ground" could have been retooling Prowl's front bumper with a Push Guard and adding some of the lights, maybe a rear spoiler and his "helmet".


But for many reasons what they went with was much more realistic for "G1" reboot, which was the mission statement of this line.
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