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[Wolfman Jake]

Why not call Prowl a retool of Sideswipe? They both convert into low profile central-domed, four-wheeled vehicles.

I thought he was. The transformation differs at some steps and some parts are swapped out, but isn't that the definition of a retool?

What parts do you believe are the same between the two? I'm legitimately curious because I haven't found any and no one has suggested before that there were any. If anything, Siege Sideswipe and Prowl are more an example of convergent or analogous design than they are homologous designs (e.g., directly evolving from one or the other or a common, recent root). Nothing more extraordinary is going on beyond that they both transform into futuristic sedan-style cars. The original point is that Siege Optimus Prime and the inner white robot of Siege Ultra Magnus share no parts in common either and aren't retools of one another. All of the molding, sculpting, articulated parts and joints, etc., are unique from one another. They just both happen to be based on the same Earth truck design and the legs share some transformation engineering cues. Think of it this way: you wouldn't call Siege Optimus Prime a "retool" of G1 Optimus Prime, or of Combiner Wars Optimus Prime, or even Classics Optimus Prime, but they all transform into roughly the same vehicle in very familiar ways.

[Skritz]

I don't own either Prowl or Sideswipe but, come on, even I can tell there isn't any retooling whatsoever. Its just they got a fairly classic transformation scheme for a car-bot. Say it with me at home, kids: "The hood become the chest, the rear become the legs!"

[Primeisprime]

Just this meme I made by a teen transformers collector

[Flashwave]

I managed to get ironhide quicker than i remember. This guy is really a great toy!

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putting the weapon in the middle really helps to make his arm blends in more with the rest of the vehicle.

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and i love how he can properly dual handled his weapon.

Ah so he is a sort of retool of kup. Seeing it up close that's definitely kup's front end. Looks good though. Definitely going to get him and prowl. I was happy with classics 2.0 prowl but he got sticky paint and I tried to fix but made it worse so a new prowl would be nice.

definitely not a retool of kup. Even the transformation is 100% different, there are no shared parts or engineering at all between the two.

The front end is exactly the same. TR PM Optimus used completely different parts from CW Magnus but was clearly built from the same mould, much like Galaxy mode Optimus is to current magnus.

And I really don't get the hangup on terminology people here have. Can I not buy it if I think it's a retool? Am I supposed to pay a different price? Does it mean I cannot provide feedback if I do not conform to some invisible doctrine on language? Am I supposed to pretend PotP didn't reuse parts either? Maybe people should get over it and move on.

On Prime? Yes the front end is the same. But Kup and Ironhide have nothing in common their ront ends. Kup has a big, hollow, angular wedge molded to have a singlw headlight on each side, and a big grill. Ironhide's is neither big, nor solid, nor angular. It has to wrap around what becomes his collarbone. Yes, having it hinged to the bumper is the same as Kup, but that is an engineering idea
and is about like sayinf Chevy is built from Ford because both truck have a hood attached at rhe back. TR Cheomedome used the same leg desugn as some of the CW Stunticons but he is in no way built from that mold. The whole toy is bigger. The other good example is Energon Starscream and Machine Wars/RID Smokejumper. Both turned into rough analogs of an RF22 Raptor and used almost identical transformations to do it, including having the arms become the vertical fins, the legs the side of the plane, and you even had to turn the front cockpit over 180* to get to the chest. But they are CLEARLY not the same mold based on detailing, and the fact that Smokejumper is Scout class sized while Screamer was a deluxe.

Kup and Ironhide ain't that.

Un fact, Kup has more in common with Siege Hound. No parts are shared, but both toys adopt the unfurling leg to side of car transformation scheme.

And sinxw you mentioned him, yes, Prime IS a retool of Magnus. They physically share identical parts

[william-james88]

And sinxw you mentioned him, yes, Prime IS a retool of Magnus. They physically share identical parts

We talking about the same primes and magni? I thought someone was arguing that Siege Voyager Prime had the same head as the leader magnus inner bot head, which isn't the case.

[Sabrblade]

This guy attempted to do some measurements to figure out an approximation of Titan class Omega Supreme's height compared to Devastator:

I measured Devastator, and he's almost exactly 12" to the bottom of his chest shield, and just under 18" to the top of Bonecrusher's shovel when it's sticking up on top of Hook. Based on that, we get this:

[Nathaniel Prime]

Wow, this page has been nothing but fierce arguing for, what was it? Are we still on Ironhide=Kup retool or are we on Siege Voyager Prime was retooled into Magnus and then into Prime again?

Wow, how we have wrecked havoc here

Heh. Siege on the Siege thread

[o.supreme]

This guy attempted to do some measurements to figure out an approximation of Titan class Omega Supreme's height compared to Devastator:

I measured Devastator, and he's almost exactly 12" to the bottom of his chest shield, and just under 18" to the top of Bonecrusher's shovel when it's sticking up on top of Hook. Based on that, we get this:

Seems about right to me. So Omega Supreme can be a nemesis to his classic series rival (Devastator), or to his FoC rival (Trypticon) .

So basically, when it is all said and done we will have

Two 18 inch Titans (Devastator & Predaking)
Two 20 inch Titans (Omega Supreme & Trypticon) &
Two 22 inch Titans.....(Metroplex & FortMax)

[Cobotron]

I got a few shipping notifications from Pulse that 2 of 4 of the wave 2 Deluxes have shipped. Odd that they are shipping individually. I ordered all 4 at the same time. For the wrong price of 9.99 I might add! WOOT WOOT!

Anyone else get a notification if you ordered from them?

[sol magnus]

I got a few shipping notifications from Pulse that 2 of 4 of the wave 2 Deluxes have shipped. Odd that they are shipping individually. I ordered all 4 at the same time. For the wrong price of 9.99 I might add! WOOT WOOT!

Anyone else get a notification if you ordered from them?

Holy half price, Batman!

[TF-fan kev777]

I got a few shipping notifications from Pulse that 2 of 4 of the wave 2 Deluxes have shipped. Odd that they are shipping individually. I ordered all 4 at the same time. For the wrong price of 9.99 I might add! WOOT WOOT!

Anyone else get a notification if you ordered from them?

Yes, I did too (at that awesome-sauce price as well). I have separate packages already shipping for 1 Chromia, 1 Ironhide, and 2 Sixguns. My 1 Prowl has not shipped yet, making me regret not snagging the one I saw at a Walmart this morning, and returning the Hasbro Pulse one whenever it makes it way here. I will already be returning one of the 2 Sixguns to Walmart as I found him last week and got impatient.

[Cyberpath]

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Plus, car guys & hammer guy.

[Bounti76]

Thanks to fellow Seibertronian Cyberpath, we have, courtesy of Takara Tomy Mall, stock images of most of Wave 3 figures, Voyager Class Springer, Deluxe Class Red Alert, Battle Master Smashdown, and Micromasters Blackjack and Hyperdrive! These new stock photos show the figures from all angles, and in the case of Springer, in all his altmodes. We can see that Springer has a good amount of battle damage paint applications, and that while Red Alert is a straight recolor of Sideswipe, that he has a very different deco and extensive paint applications to make him stand out against his mold-mate.

[Nemesis Primal]

Still not interested in Springer, the T30 one is perfect for me, but I would still absolutely buy a Guidi Drift/Deadlock from this mold.

These pictures of Red Alert are missing red on his lightbar and arms, and I think he looks worse for it. His arms just being solid white doesn't look good, and the main reason I was interested in Red was because his color scheme was so much more varied than Sideswipe and it made the mold look better. I really hope this is going to end up being like Magnus's gun where the main Hasbro release isn't accurate to these Takara pictures, because otherwise that's a figure off the purchase list.

[AcademyofDrX]

All 4 of my pre-ordered half-price deluxes shipped this morning. So did the Spy Patrol I ordered earlier this week. I should have them all in hand early next week.

I even ordered a Chromia, regardless of negativity from others. I have the T30 one along with T30 Arcee and Windblade, but I wanted a Siege one to go with TR Arcee and Windblade.

Though saying that out loud, that might be overkill.

[Cobotron]

I actually just got notification of the other 2 of 4 shipping.

Just so odd that they are all shipping individually.

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Just this meme I made by a teen transformers collector

You just really really confused me cause I couldn't figure out how I had posted when I saw the profile picture. Then I realized we share one

[D-Maximal_Primal]

Thanks to fellow Seibertronian Cyberpath, we have, courtesy of Takara Tomy Mall, stock images of many upcoming Wave 3 figures, including Voyager Class Springer, Deluxe Class Red Alert, Battle Master Smashdown, and Micromasters Blackjack and Hyperdrive! These new stock photos show the figures from all angles, and in the case of Springer, in all his altmodes. We can see that Springer has a good amount of battle damage paint applications, and that while Red Alert is almost straight recolor of Sideswipe, with just some slight retooling to the helmet horns, he has a very different deco and extensive paint applications to make him stand out against his mold-mate. The Sports Car Patrol of Blackjack and Hyperdrive are slight retools of the Autobot Race Car Patrol, flashing some very different colors. And Smashdown is the most adorable/mean looking Minotaur Wreckers Mascot this side of the Multiverse.

Check out all the images below, and let us know what you think in the comments section below!

[Sentinel_Primal]

Springer looks... Iffy to me. I like the figure's design and proportions, but the colors seem... Too play-doh like if that makes sense. Especially the green. Hopefully it looks better in hand

[Decepticon Llorrac]

I’ve ordered everything for the entire trilogy... amazon has all my info for the next 3 years

[cloudballoon]

Springer's details (especially the flat chest) are not consistent with Siege line. Detail-wise it almost looks like a Deluxe rather than a Voyager class figure. I agree with the previous poster about the play-doh green color just look bad... (easy fix as I paint my figures).

I thought Hasbro can't top the Trilling 30 Springer ever in a main line so I thought I'd never have to get another Springer (except - MAYBE - Masterpiece) but this... this... while the engineering and quality still isn't anywhere close to the T30 mold, but damn... the G1 nostagia is calling me to get it.

Red Alert is a pass for me, not worth double dipping on the same mold.

[Wolfman Jake]

These pictures of Red Alert are missing red on his lightbar and arms, and I think he looks worse for it. His arms just being solid white doesn't look good, and the main reason I was interested in Red was because his color scheme was so much more varied than Sideswipe and it made the mold look better. I really hope this is going to end up being like Magnus's gun where the main Hasbro release isn't accurate to these Takara pictures, because otherwise that's a figure off the purchase list.

I've noticed yet another difference between these "in hand" product shots from Takara Tomy and the Hasbro official renders we've seen earlier, when it comes to Red Alert, at least. These new pictures of Red Alert seem to be missing the "Fire Chief" Cybertronian writing on the side of the windowed dome and on the bottom of the chest/edge of the car mode hood.

[SpikeyTigertron]

Really hoping those are prototype shots of red alert... stripping all the *good* paint apps off is no bueno.

[SpikeyTigertron]

On a side note... finally dragged out the T30 and Combiner wars (see following post for them).

I have to assume they’ll do Arcee... but I wonder which way they’ll go. The Titan’s version I think matches thr asctethic better... but that T30 G1 look....

Also wonder if they’ll keep the black highlights. Maybe it’s the Phantasy Star fan in me... but I like the pop

[SpikeyTigertron]

Given the siege ascetic leaning Titan’s return but scaled down a bit on Arcee